Ready Steady Crook

[Wizaard]

Why is it that when you're rich and famous, theft is seen as a cry for help that needs counselling and support? Compare and contrast the looters taking a pair of trainers and getting six months.

Post Christmas, I'm following the new Anthony Worrall Thompson diet. Cheese and wine followed by porridge.

[brispie]

Ooh don't make my blood boil wizbit.....

[merkin]

These supermarkets are asking for it with these 'scan it yourself' set ups.

[Bernie]

Why on earth would your blood boil, BrySpy? Most people would just get a caution for a first offence of that nature. Of course, he's a dirty bearded thief and his nonsensical justifications are ludicrous, but it's no worse than what other self-deluded criminals come out with.

Looting is obviously many, many times worse than shoplifting and next time fuckwits start smashing windows and nicking stuff, the British Army have my permission, indeed my strident requriement to open up on the little fuckers with live rounds. Or at least "D" cell batteries like the more enterprising troops in Ireland used instead of rubber bullets.

[fgrfc_dan]

If he's going to go all the way from Wycombe to Henley why shoplift from Tesco when there's a Waitrose?

I used to see the fat fuck about quite a bit when I lived down that way.

[Porrohman]

Jamie Oliver can feed a family of four for a fiver at Sainsburys.........Anthony Worral Thompson can feed a family of four for fuck all at Tesco

[Porrohman]

"Welcome to Celebrity Ready Steady Cook.So Anthony,you had £5 to spend....whats in your bag ?"

"Organic chicken,langoustines,rice,stock,wine,scallops,onions,garlic,stilton,brie,goats cheese,3 bottles of Cava and a bottle of Blue Nun and I have £2.74 left over"

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Jan 12, 2012 11:20:19 GMT 1 Bernie said:

Why on earth would your blood boil, BrySpy? Most people would just get a caution for a first offence of that nature. Of course, he's a dirty bearded thief and his nonsensical justifications are ludicrous, but it's no worse than what other self-deluded criminals come out with.

Looting is obviously many, many times worse than shoplifting and next time fuckwits start smashing windows and nicking stuff, the British Army have my permission, indeed my strident requriement to open up on the little fuckers with live rounds. Or at least "D" cell batteries like the more enterprising troops in Ireland used instead of rubber bullets.

What makes you think its his first offence?

[merkin]

didn't he do it on 5 seperate occasions though?

should be a year in prison.

[Bernie]

What the Cunthony Worral Thompson is going on here? I'm sure I posted a reply.

I'll repeat, anyway - no, his first offence is obviously that of being a smelly-looking ginger gnome. As for the repeated nicking - what were the security staff playing at? Blackmail or entrapment?

[brispie]

Lumping all those involved in the riots together again eh Bernie?

[turtle]

I know this bloke who used to deliberately leave something obscure like a loose tomato or potato or summat at the bottom of his trolley in Sainsbury's just to see if anyone would notice and to take a little swipe at the 'man'. He said he felt it brought a little of excitement to his humdrum life.

I concur with whoever said the rioters should be stamped on though.

[Bernie]

Lumping all those involved in the riots together again eh Bernie?

If you mean lumping all the criminal scrotes who thought it was fun to smash windows and nick stuff and set fire to peoples' houses and businesses, yes. But then I've always lumped nihilistic, criminal, anti-social scum together, I'm weird like that. I'd have thought a self-styled "true socialist" would agree with me on that point - looters got pretty short shrift in Stalin's Russia.

[brispie]

Stalin's Russia was an abomination though wasn't it? It's scarred most peoples views on communism.

Loads of those looters did something about the same as Worrall scrote face, but got sent down. Knee jerk fucking reaction from 'the establishment'.

[Bernie]

A big part of socialism is having a functioning, mutually beneficial society. Looting is a bit of a threat to that.

Those looters didn't do what the Thieving Gnome did. This is why ordinary theft and looting are separated in law, and always have been, and if you really, really think about it, it's quite a sensible reaction and not a knee-jerk one. Let's say you had you door kicked in and your telly nicked while you were out - you wouldn't be happy if the neighbours saw your unsecured door and helped themselves to everything that was left, would you?

(Though we are in agreement about the injustice of locking idiots up for posting silly things on facebook)

[merkin]

..you would still want your neighbours fucking over though wouldn't you? even worse in a way....


incitement of looting is hardly silly either

[fgrfc_dan]

In socialist utopia people don't nick stuff because they "don't need to" because they "have enough" and nobody has "too much".

Socialism would be awesome if 99% of people weren't dicks.

[Bernie]

..you would still want your neighbours fucking over though wouldn't you? even worse in a way....

Naturally. Though the point of justice isn't supposed to be revenge. But I'm not totally sure what you're on about here.

incitement of looting is hardly silly either

True, but there's a difference between posting: "Everyone get down to Curry's, the windows are through, bring a petrol bomb" and "Lets ave a riurt on Fursday!!LÖOL!!", I submit.

[merkin]

I think it was a bit more organisation than that though Bernie in the facebook posting.


Revenge? Punishment? Same sort of thing of thing isn't it?

Sentences can't purely be about rehabilitation or justice would be....when they are rehabilitated....which it isn't.

[brispie]

Was it Merk. What I saw was that they said lets get down Nuneaton* town centre and cause a riot. And they have gone down for 5 years. It's like China round here.

And if my neighbours had nicked my stuff after someone had done the initial break in, of course I'd want some form of punishment, but not 6 months inside. Doing something to actually clean up my community and re-imburse me would suffice.

[Bernie]

And if my neighbours had nicked my stuff after someone had done the initial break in, of course I'd want some form of punishment, but not 6 months inside. Doing something to actually clean up my community and re-imburse me would suffice.

Ah yes, but as I started explaining to Merk before I got bored with the whole thing, the wants of the victim are actually pretty irrelevant when it comes to sentencing. Whether you want them boiled in oil or let off and given a Bob Dylan record, the courts don't care, and that's how it should be.

Looting is really, really bad because in essence anyone could end up doing it, I suppose. And that is a very much worse situation than the occasional scrote kicking your door in and nicking your Grundig. Hence the draconian punishment.

To answer Merk, I'd say "revenge" is what the victim would like seen done to the criminal , whereas punishment is to make the consequences unpleasant enough that the criminal isn't likely to do it again, and to hopefully discourage others.

What did the facebook fools do, Merk? I though they just posted an invite to some sort of dopey "facebook event"?

[merkin]

I think its a grey area as it could be argued that punishment is partly the revenge of society as a whole and a deterrent.

The courts do care about extenuating circumstances though, otherwise you wouldn't need a judge to hand down a sentence....a computer could do it.


You are both puddled on the neighbour idea. It's like being more lenient on burglars if the homeowner left a window open. Yeah, its stupid of the houseowner but it's still nicking stuff.


I don't know exactly the facebook details but i thought it was a bit more than just imbeciles posting stuff.

[Bernie]

There is, of course a populist element as well. Society will demand certain sentences - there's no point in locking up a significant proportion of murderers; they killed someone they knew or were related to in a moment of madness, regret it immensely and would never do it again. To all intents and purposes they were rehabilitated before they even went to court, but you're right that "society" wouldn't stomach them not being locked up.

The courts do care about extenuating circumstances though, otherwise you wouldn't need a judge to hand down a sentence....a computer could do it.

I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. I'm just sayin' that the wants of the actual victim are basically ignored, quite right too. So it's not revenge in the sense I defined it above.

You are both puddled on the neighbour idea. It's like being more lenient on burglars if the homeowner left a window open. Yeah, its stupid of the house owner but it's still nicking stuff.

What? I've already said I think the neighbours are, in the bigger picture, worse. Hence harsh sentences for looting (shoot the bastards in the act, if you ask me)

[merkin]

i think judges are affected in many ways.

personal feelings, what they think society may want, what they think victims will want etc will all play apart in determining whether or not they use the minimum, maximum or somewhere inbetween the sentencing parameters.

i'm sure judges have even been quoted as saying where they often feel they let down victims because they can't pass harsh enough sentences (clearly in their opinion)

[brispie]

I think we use prison too freely and when they do go inside then just leave them to rot.

A good friend had their brother locked up. He is a gambling addict and had taken to petty theft to feed the habit. He got caught and took the rap. Went down for 2 years. He spent 6 months in a hardcore institute where he was initiated into heroin use, then spent the rest in an open prison where he could come and go as he pleased. Not once did they deal with his gambling addiction.

[merkin]

is he still on heroin?

let me give him some advice

stop gambling you fucking scrote!

[Michelotti]

"Not once did they deal with his gambling addiction"

Yes they did, they got him hooked on heroin, now he can steal to feed his drugs habit and completely ignore his gambling addiction.

[GroveR]

We should have the next AWAG meet at Kew Grill and knock the arse out of the bill with a few 16oz Chateaubriands, a case or so of the Château Beychevelle.

I'm no BotzarelliHutz when it comes to law but I'm certain the stunted cúnter wouldn't have a stubby leg to stand on when we do one without paying.

[Wizaard]

Why did the chicken cross the road?

Because it was in Anthony Worral Thompson's jacket.

[MikR]

Apparently he cried himself to sleep after doing it. And then presumably had some really vivid dreams.