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Post by CaptainSambuca on Jan 15, 2012 0:41:46 GMT 1
ok, this has been annoying me for a while now and it's time to make a (minor) stand
at some point in the past few years, I've noticed people using the phrase 'stonewall' on relation to refereeing decisions, normally penalties that haven't been given, i.e. 'that was a stonewall penalty'.
THIS MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO BLOODY SENSE BY ANY DEFINITION OF THE PHRASE THAT I KNOW OF BUT NOBODY ELSE SEEMINGS TO HAVE NOTICED
I can only think that someone on MOTD or similar has got confused at some point and meant to say stone cold certain or something similar, and it's now entered the general vernacular. Even otherwise well educated people I know have started saying it. Remember folks, just because Ian Wright/Robbie Savage/etc. can't speak English proper doesn't give you any excuse.
THE FIGHTBACK STARTS HERE
rant over
p.s. hi everyone
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Post by philincalifornia on Jan 15, 2012 8:02:44 GMT 1
"MUST OF" is still going strong. Might even be gaining steam.
.... and, when I was growing up, I definitely had the occasion to use, on many such occasions, a stone outdoor shithouse, but I never saw a brick shithouse.
I must've led a, dare I say it, sheltered childhood.
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Post by ToyBoy on Jan 15, 2012 9:10:35 GMT 1
It's not rocket science.
It's another cricketing reference, hijacked for no apparent reason by football.
Stonewall, refers to an American General called Thomas Jonathon Jackson, nicknamed 'Stonewall' Jackson.
He was supposedly unbeatable, impassable.
Work it out for yourselves.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2012 0:51:58 GMT 1
From this interesting article - twistedblood.co.uk/2011/10/14/on-the-origin-of-cliches-stonewall/In fact, “stonewall” has been used in this vein — as an infrequent alternative for “obvious” or “straightforward” — since at least the 1300’s. Chaucer, in the only surviving fragment of ‘The Ostler’s Tale’, writes “So pleyne and stonwalle seemeth it to mee/ Sure onlee bastardde blynd men could not see”, and it has been suggested by scholars that “stonewall” was removed from an early draft of Sir Gawain and the Green Knight, replaced by “clear as daye”. The word also appears in the Q1 version of Hamlet, in which the eponymous Dane laments: “To be, or not to be, aye there’s the point. / To die, to sleep, is that all? Stone wall.” Don't believe a word therealtoyboy says - he's the biggest bullshitter on this board. |
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Post by Bernie on Jan 16, 2012 9:02:49 GMT 1
I thought it was something to do with rioting gays.
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Post by ToyBoy on Jan 17, 2012 1:28:40 GMT 1
RDV,
You need to join the real world. This is 2012.
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Post by ab on Jan 17, 2012 15:29:26 GMT 1
"MUST OF" is still going strong. Might even be gaining steam. .... and, when I was growing up, I definitely had the occasion to use, on many such occasions, a stone outdoor shithouse, but I never saw a brick shithouse. I must've led a, dare I say it, sheltered childhood. Must of, would of, could of, should of, etc will be standard English within a generation or two. The teaching of reading by means of synthetic phonics will see to that as a large proportion of people write as they hear/say rather than learn spellings or grammar. Luckily English is widely used by foreigners who learn English in a more formal way (for whom "would of" etc are near incomprehensible when written) and they may keep the traditional form alive, much as the Yanks have done with loads of elements of Elizabethan grammar and usage. |
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Post by turtle on Jan 17, 2012 16:02:11 GMT 1
I was worried that it could of being me that were referred to in the original post of Buca's but then I saw the word well-educated and it put my mind at rest.
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Post by brispie on Jan 17, 2012 16:32:31 GMT 1
Surely football has a whole world of stupid terminology. It is like any hobby/profession in that it develops this to create the essence of an internal world so that outsiders have to earn the right to become members and those in the know feel clever even if they aren't?
Stonewall is understood by all English football fans. The same way that back stick is. Listen to any MotD commentary and pick it apart and you realise how cliquey it all is.
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Post by Lard Buttie on Jan 17, 2012 17:39:35 GMT 1
Add to that ''aplomb'' as in
he finished with great aplomb
Nutmeg
early doors
lolly pops (Big Ron's term I believe)
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Post by brispie on Jan 18, 2012 9:49:14 GMT 1
Blue head
He's a yard off
Running the channels
Slotted it home
AWAY!
Get out!
Wingback
He's got a great engine
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Post by brispie on Jan 18, 2012 9:50:00 GMT 1
Can I just add as well. Wingo would be loving this.
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Post by GroveR on Jan 18, 2012 12:09:55 GMT 1
"He fluffed his shot" In my dictionary a fluffer's job is to suck cock between porno takes.
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Post by fgrfc_dan on Jan 18, 2012 12:50:16 GMT 1
I like it when a dipping shot that sails over the bar is described as "trying to come down". Like a sentient football was doing its utmost to put itself in the goal.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2012 3:10:49 GMT 1
It's not rocket science. It's another cricketing reference, hijacked for no apparent reason by football. Stonewall, refers to an American General called Thomas Jonathon Jackson, nicknamed 'Stonewall' Jackson. He was supposedly unbeatable, impassable. Work it out for yourselves. From this interesting article - twistedblood.co.uk/2011/10/14/on-the-origin-of-cliches-stonewall/In fact, “stonewall” has been used in this vein — as an infrequent alternative for “obvious” or “straightforward” — since at least the 1300’s. Chaucer, in the only surviving fragment of ‘The Ostler’s Tale’, writes “So pleyne and stonwalle seemeth it to mee/ Sure onlee bastardde blynd men could not see”, and it has been suggested by scholars that “stonewall” was removed from an early draft of Sir Gawain and the Green Knight, replaced by “clear as daye”. The word also appears in the Q1 version of Hamlet, in which the eponymous Dane laments: “To be, or not to be, aye there’s the point. / To die, to sleep, is that all? Stone wall.” Don't believe a word therealtoyboy says - he's the biggest bullshitter on this board. RDV, You need to join the real world. This is 2012. What does the year have to do with it? You said the phrase 'stonewall' was hijacked from cricket and referred to an American General. I found a historical reference to 'stonewall' that pre-dated both of your theories by several hundreds of years. While there is an element of truth in your claims, it took me no more than five minutes to find a much older usage of the word. And I somehow managed to share this information without patronising via 'rocket science' or telling the DATM readership to 'work it out for themselves'. |
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Post by ToyBoy on Jan 22, 2012 12:28:17 GMT 1
Well, it took me no more than 1 second, because I didn't have to switch my Laptop on and search Google.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2012 15:37:09 GMT 1
Well, it took me no more than 1 second, because I didn't have to switch my Laptop on and search Google. That's you in a nutshell. You say the first thing that comes into your head - be it right or wrong. You're thick skinned and shameless but annoyingly incorrect most of the time. |
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Post by gymmers on Jan 26, 2012 19:26:36 GMT 1
Get a room.
I'll provide the handbags
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Post by ToyBoy on Feb 5, 2012 17:52:27 GMT 1
Well, it took me no more than 1 second, because I didn't have to switch my Laptop on and search Google. That's you in a nutshell. You say the first thing that comes into your head - be it right or wrong. You're thick skinned and shameless but annoyingly incorrect most of the time. RDV, Believe you me, I'm never wrong. We will be in Div1 next year as well! |
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Post by garyroberts'leftfoot on Feb 5, 2012 17:59:18 GMT 1
That's you in a nutshell. You say the first thing that comes into your head - be it right or wrong. You're thick skinned and shameless but annoyingly incorrect most of the time. RDV, Believe you me, I'm never wrong.We will be in Div1 next year as well! Never?! |
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Post by artysid on Feb 21, 2012 16:09:14 GMT 1
110% is my beef
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Post by sapphireblue on Feb 22, 2012 16:33:10 GMT 1
75% is my beef. With 25% chips. And 10% salad. |
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Post by EatonRifles on Feb 22, 2012 16:59:45 GMT 1
Anything over 100% annoys the life out of me, you can't give more than your all!!!!
Do the math -FFS we're English the word is abbreviation is maths
I fear I am turning into Victor Meldrew
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Post by turtle on Feb 23, 2012 12:08:03 GMT 1
Oi Buca. Think it might be awag day?
Good thing you didn't come last night. The too slow twins were adamant we had a stonewall penalty. You'd of learned them.
Hello everyone. Life's shit. Bye.
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