I bet Morrissey's

[e17hoop]

pleased.

[belly77]

It's similar to the Gallaghers going to see Tony at Downing Street.

[Will_75]

how, exactly?

this man said "it's gruesome that someone so handsome should care"

[belly77]

Mr Camerons attempt to look cool and down with the kids.

Problem is he’s 20 years late.

[turtle]

Oi Wilbur did you watch that that Paul Morley thing on BBC4 the other night about pop music? Basically he picked 6 songs that had 'changed' his life and wittered on about them. One of them was This Charming Man. He and Simon Armitage picked the lyrics apart for 10 minutes. It was almost entertaining. I always thought that he sang 'jumped up country boy', which shows what an idiot I am.

[brispie]

What did he sing?

[paulorossi]

punctured bicycle?

[richhtfc]

Jumped up pantry boy

[Will_75]

my first girlfriend used to sing jumped up country boy to me, as she said that that's what i was

imagine how stupid she felt when i pointed out that she'd got the lyrics wrong

turtle, i did

paul morley is an idiot, but it was quite good. the sugababes are a guilty pleasure, i must admit

[brispie]

Jumped up Pantry Boy?

is that supposed to mean?

He should change the lyrics now.

[richhtfc]

Clearly this Cameron business is karma biting Stephen on the årse for being such a bell in that recent nme interview.

[Will_75]

"the lanes were silent, there was nothing, no-one around for miles" was the line that go me into the smiths, wilbur watchers.

i was listening to signal radio in bed, and i can remember like it was two mintues ago the shock of hearing lyrics that said something to me about my life. i'd never heard a pop song reference country lanes before and it was a mini revelation to this 13 year old

[ab]

Contrary to public perception, Etonians don't all sit around listening to madrigals so it isn't a massive suprise that Cameron as someone of around Awag music clique demographic age likes fairly mainstream bands of the 1980s. In an interview last year he also said that the last album he had bought was the most recent Modest Mouse one (with Johnny Marr on it).

[turtle]

'Dublin, Dundee, Humberside.
I wonder to myself.'

[richhtfc]

ab said:

Contrary to public perception, Etonians don't all sit around listening to madrigals so it isn't a massive suprise that Cameron as someone of around Awag music clique demographic age likes fairly mainstream bands of the 1980s. In an interview last year he also said that the last album he had bought was the most recent Modest Mouse one (with Johnny Marr on it).

Presumably they get off on the irony of listening to someone so anti-establishment?

[belly77]

Cameron will be getting his guitar out next, Rule Britannia, Brit Rock Pop Rock ptII.

[ab]

richhtfc said:

ab said:

Contrary to public perception, Etonians don't all sit around listening to madrigals so it isn't a massive suprise that Cameron as someone of around Awag music clique demographic age likes fairly mainstream bands of the 1980s. In an interview last year he also said that the last album he had bought was the most recent Modest Mouse one (with Johnny Marr on it).

Presumably they get off on the irony of listening to someone so anti-establishment?

You tend not to get to choose where you get sent to school so while the parents of Etonians (etc) are or aspire to being Establishment the kids are kids and many are within the range of normality (cf eg Cameron's close contemporary Jacob Rees Mogg who took his nanny out canvassing in the Welsh Mining Constituency he stood at last time round).

For some the politics of the Smiths might have been the appeal but even as an "Establishment" child you could like them non-ironically for singing in a literate way about being an isolated teenager who can't quite see when he's going to pop his cherry (and whether that will be with a boy or a girl). If you've been sent away from home to a single sex boarding school since you were 7 you are probably pretty well placed to find Morissey an empathetic voice and maybe not a big fan of the Establishment that has made this the done thing.

I'd suggest also that Morissey was singing at least as much if not more against the working class establishment that repressed him and denigrated his foppishness and milksop teen literary aspiration as Mrs Thatch.

[Will_75]

I decree today that life
Is simply taking and not giving
England is mine - it owes me a living
But ask me why, and I'll spit in your eye
Oh, ask me why, and I'll spit in your eye
But we cannot cling to the old dreams anymore
No, we cannot cling to those dreams


Belly - Cameron liking the Smiths rings a lot more true than Brown claiming to listen to the (sic) Arctic Monkeys, and lacks the breathtaking cynicism of Blair entering downing street with a guitar in one hand and a ministerial red box in the other EVEN THOUGH THE PM DOESN'T HAVE A RED BOX

AB is right about the Smiths. Anti-monarchy he may be, but he was hardly the voice of the common man. He was the voice of the intellectual unlovely teenage boy - public schools are full of them

...don't forget the songs
That made you cry
And the songs that saved your life
Yes, you're older now
And you're a clever swine
But they were the only ones who ever stood by you

[richhtfc]

I take your point, I suppose most public school boys have ambiguous sexuality too.

[MikR]

Cameron is a bum-faced hypocritical ridiculoid and anyone defending him is an absolute knee-length quagpiece of the highest order

[Will_75]

he's not as big a c*** as blair ATAF

[richhtfc]

Im sure he could be, given time...

[tigerwoods]

I was from a pretty working class family but went to a public school but on a scholarship, which gave me a very confused take on where I fitted into the grand scheme of things as it was like simultaneously existing in two different worlds

I just liked morrissey because he sounded more screwed up than I was

[MikR]

Anyone, bar Brown, would find it difficult to be as big a c*** as Blair, particularly a faded facsimile of the shit-eating-grin donning bumwad

[bromley]

Pikey, when was the last time we had a prime minister who wasn't a monstrous c***?

[MikR]

Yay brimmers! \o/

Wasn't Major just a bit of a wand?

[turtle]

I suspect Harold Wilson would have been a laugh after a beer or six.

[belly77]

Is anyone suprised that Will and AB are defending Cameron?

[brispie]

I was going to say something, but it would have been too obvious coming from me.

[Will_75]

i'm hardly defending him - i merely believe that he likes the smiths, as opposed to not believing that brown likes arctic monkeys

simple enough, you chippy wands