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Post by andyhudd on Jan 6, 2008 23:39:09 GMT 1
Nope! It's spin and bullshit! Well known sales and marketing tactic, show interest and compassion, pick up on the more insignificant matters, and go out of your way to show concern whilst in reality you're shafting the gullible twats uphill and down dale on the main issues. Opinions. Opinions.
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Post by boxster2700 on Jan 6, 2008 23:39:28 GMT 1
you can all dog me and slag me off but im a realist a few little words that mean nothing and you all think hes the best thing since sliced bread !! hes answered sweet fa ,its a pr stunt carnt you all see, a sad case of the blind been led by the blind,ask him to ask his boss where the cash has gone,dont be fobbed off ask him for a straight answer,lets see what he comes up with, when he gives you a honest explanation ill apoligise till then i still think hes davys public puppett
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Post by michelotti on Jan 6, 2008 23:42:22 GMT 1
I've based my opinion on 25 years experience in sales and customer service (I'm the biggest bullshitter in the business, And I can spot it a mile off)
Your opinion has been based on what exactly?
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Post by michelotti on Jan 6, 2008 23:51:37 GMT 1
FOR THE LAST TIME
I HAVE NO ADMIN POWERS ON THIS BOARD!!!!!!!!!!!
"No one said, "oh year hes the best thing since sliced bread" but just thanked him for trying to communicate.."
Which to be fair I did initially. But then people started swooning and bowing down to the all powerful god that is SJ and and seeing as I see it as rather a hollow attempt at PR, I thought I ought to redress the balance a bit
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Post by michelotti on Jan 7, 2008 0:20:29 GMT 1
It's his job to reply to you! He's in customer relations and you're a customer. Send him an e-mail asking him why we are in so much debt, why the giants lent us 600k last season and why the stadium rental is so high and then see what personal reply(if any) he comes up with
And I don't admin OR moderate on this board!
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Post by boxster2700 on Jan 7, 2008 0:32:08 GMT 1
michelotti it looks like me and thee are the only ones to see through this pr stunt,its laughable really how easy they are apeased, but i supose thats why we have forums ,each to his own eh !
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Post by banjo on Jan 7, 2008 0:33:09 GMT 1
I agree with Boxster.Can he tell us why were still losing so much money ,why did he take away our 40% share of the stadium . He is a succesfull buisnesman and as such considering he says we are not self sufficient would have took Pearsons offer quicker than you can say rugby league. Why can some of you still not see it, Town finance Giantsnever mind these namby pamby answers. Boxters right,another smokescreenAlso notice he comes on here whilst the feel good factor is around.
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Post by boxster2700 on Jan 7, 2008 0:34:17 GMT 1
well said banjo,
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Post by michelotti on Jan 7, 2008 0:36:57 GMT 1
Yep! Good point there, can't believe I missed that one! catch 'em when they're on the up and their guard is down....they'll swallow the bullshit a lot easier.
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Post by Dell12 on Jan 7, 2008 0:37:50 GMT 1
To be fair to him the boards only been open a couple of weeks, I doubt he's been on here that much. While I agree there are alot of unanswered questions that the club need to answer, him coming on here is a first step, which I don't think we should throw straight back in his face. Perhaps he will answer some of the questions we've been wanting to know for years almost, he's only made his first post today. Give him a chance, AT LEAST a couple of weeks.
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Post by michelotti on Jan 7, 2008 0:41:58 GMT 1
He dipped his bread once or twice on the old DATM, similar type of post as well if memory serves me right..
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Post by bbb on Jan 7, 2008 0:43:25 GMT 1
Admin, moderator, thats not really the issue Michael... Couple of things: First, Mich is NOT an admin. He moderates one of the other boards on here he frequents. Secondly, comments like: If the administrators are slagging him off, what chance he will ever come back and communicate again make comments like Admin, moderator, thats not really the issue Michael... an issue. And for the record, Im with michelotti on this.
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Post by kilroy on Jan 7, 2008 0:45:08 GMT 1
Yep! Good point there, can't believe I missed that one! catch 'em when they're on the up and their guard is down....they'll swallow the bullshit a lot easier. To thank someone for a post is not the same as "swallowing there bullshit". Many of us are able to both thank someone for their time, yet disagree with their points. Is that ok?
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Post by hughphamism on Jan 7, 2008 0:47:31 GMT 1
SMJ1 posted on the old DATM as well in the past 12 months and I don't remember any other good times in those 12 months. Please keep up the communication regardless and if you don't already have a thick skin then you'd better develop one quickly. As much as the catering etc might seem like a minor issue the fact is that it's been crap for 12 years without anyone showing any interest in doing anything about it. Personally I've always found it staggering that if you wait until the halftime whistle is blown you cannot get served before the game kicks off again. Someone ( ) is losing out on a lot of money. I don't see the harm in sorting out minor things in the matchday experience for the benefit of all. I fully agree with the issues around the stadium share, level of rent etc but I doubt that's something under smj1's control. I'm sure KD knows exactly how we feel!
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Post by Stavros on Jan 7, 2008 0:47:47 GMT 1
you're by no means the only ones that can't see through him. It's simple. We finally have a good result and he can't wait to come on here for his pat on the back. standing section - don't care state of pitch - don't really care pies and pints - don't care scoreboard - don't care where's our money gone/going - do care, let's have some answers.
The administation know they get loads of stick on here so they decided one of them better get on here and milk it a bit. It was probably a directive from KD straight after the final whistle.
To be honest i don't know the guy and i wouldn't want to be impolite, but it's so transparent to be true.
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Post by michelotti on Jan 7, 2008 0:49:42 GMT 1
Why should you thank him for his post? you don't thank anybody else for posting on here do you?
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Post by hughphamism on Jan 7, 2008 1:01:39 GMT 1
It's ironic that we complain about the lack of communication from the club & look at the abuse when smj1 posts!
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Post by Dell12 on Jan 7, 2008 1:03:30 GMT 1
"Why should you thank him for his post? you don't thank anybody else for posting on here do you?"
At the end of the day a representitive of the club DIDN'T HAVE to come on here. They haven't gained any thing from it! If he fails to come back on here then i'd agree he was simply milking it, but if he's here (If it really is him?) every week then I think thats progress. I think its too early to abuse him for coming on here at all. I assume you'd be happer if he didn't come on here at all?
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Post by kilroy on Jan 7, 2008 1:05:35 GMT 1
Dell12, dont bother, people wont listen anyway.
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Post by Stavros on Jan 7, 2008 1:21:02 GMT 1
kilroy, don't be so defeatist. You are clearly in the majority, and to be honest i agree that a regular communication with a member of the executive staff is a good thing. Maybe i'm being miserable but like the other three i consider discussions about the catering etc. to be like moving the deckchairs on the titanic. And i can't help commenting on the timing of his appearance.
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Post by Dell12 on Jan 7, 2008 1:24:39 GMT 1
I agree the timing is strange, but IF he continues to come on on the future ( we won't always win!) then I would have to argue it is a good thing.
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Post by Stavros on Jan 7, 2008 1:25:56 GMT 1
me too dell, then we can ask him to bring his boss on here with him eh?
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Post by kilroy on Jan 7, 2008 1:45:43 GMT 1
kilroy, don't be so defeatist. You are clearly in the majority, and to be honest i agree that a regular communication with a member of the executive staff is a good thing. Maybe i'm being miserable but like the other three i consider discussions about the catering etc. to be like moving the deckchairs on the titanic. And i can't help commenting on the timing of his appearance. I agree with you there stavos. All i am saying is to jump on someone for saying "Thank you" does not help. Especially when the "Thank you" is said without commenting upon whether the person offering the "thank you" is neither agreeing or disagreeing with what SJ has said.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2008 2:06:14 GMT 1
So much chaos! Ooh we're a headstrong bunch Where's Melloooooow when you need him?? I remember circa 2002ish when Paul Haigh used to post. He answered every question given to him openly with honesty, yet to some it was never good enough and eventually a witch hunt ensued and he was chased away with burning torches and abuse ringing in his ears - always made me wonder whether as a community forum we deserved that channel of communication and since then the silence from the club has been deafening... Enter 2008 and Sean has entered what can only be described as a Lions Den where the Lions have been starved for 6 years. Slaps and a few others have asked some good valid questions of which hopefully Sean can answer when he returns. Mich makes a fair point as well in his wonderfully brash way - but hopefully we can give Sean a fair chance before any criticism is levied his way. Welcome Sean. You can find your Lion Taming chair and whip in the corner. Use it wisely
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Post by Polish Hippy on Jan 7, 2008 4:16:46 GMT 1
Dear all I was asked to take a look at this site by one of your moderators, sadly last week I couldn't do it due to work commitments. Additionally my time on this board is likely to be limited due to continued work commitments especially after the fantastic result yesterday! However having had a brief chance to look at the board I'll try and answer some comments. Come on Sean, we can appreciate you don't have time to spend hours on here replying to everything but please give us some credit for knowing how often you log on to the site Please also note it will be difficult for me to respond to each comment or question that may be raised as a consequence but I do try and use the official channels (prog, website) as much as possible to communicate. Now one of the beauties of this particular "unofficial" site is that it is interactive the drawback of the official site and the programme is that neither are Furthermore as I said in the thread that instigated your response, and i'm sure you'll know only too well, only a small proportion of the crowd buy programmes. Why should we buy programmes for £3 a time when the bulk of it is made up of information most people can pick up for free on the internet these days? Firstly the standing/seating issue. At this stage I have had a chat with a couple of supporters and am aware of the issue. I did spend one of the games over christmas, close to the section to experience what our supporters experience. All that I can say at this stage is that I will discuss this internally - please note we are goverened by FA rules but as I said I will look into this. This is something that football clubs in general can tackle collectively as well as singularly. Singularly they could instruct their stewards to take a common sense approach to the standing up/sitting down issue and stop acting like power crazed thugs with a supposed license to indiscriminately manhandle and assault supporters without good reason. Collectively, surely they can see that the over bearing and repressive attitude directed at supporters is killing the atmosphere in stadia across the country and by working with the Football Supporters Federation they can bring pressure on the government to scrap this ridiculous law that outlaws terracing inside football stadia. Secondly, the catering. I have received a number of complaints from fans re food, drink etc. I am currently liaising with our franchised catering operation and am in fact establishing an 'experince/atmosphere 'working party to look to address this. It is likely this will be established after the Gillingham game and am hopeful that we can start to address some of your concerns and comments. As I said I was in the crowd and was disappointed with the experience - this is something I want to address including music There has been problems with the catering for a long long time, even in the days before Ken Davy took over. All too often many lines are sold out before half time and i'm sure it would help reduce the queues if it could be made known that certain lines aren't available. Now I don't use the catering outlets for a few reasons. 1) It is way way over priced 2) The quality of the products is absolutely abysmal and 3) Town do not benefit from one penny of the money that is spent there. In my opinion all these issues need addressing and until number 3 is addressed I shall continue to urge Town fans to withdraw their custom from the catering outlets regardless of what is done regarding the other points. Thirdly, the scoreboard. I have now provided the stadium company with costings on a potential replacement. Sadly it is too prohibitive to replace the current one (due to being obsolete). This new screen is a major outlay and we have to be certain that it will add revenue. It may not do so initally but it is hoped that revenue will be generated from it. I am hoping to sit down with Ralph Rimmer pretty soon to discuss this further and get things moving. In terms of revenue generated from it, if any of this revenue actually made it's way into Huddersfield Town's coffers and not solely into KSDL's then i'd say go ahead and replace it. If not, then it can stay as it is for me. Fourthly the Gillingham game. This is an idea we have had for some time and we took a punt on yesterday's game to make the announcement (combined with six sponsors agreeing to go for the promotion). The sponsors contribution has made it possible to charge £5. Naturally I am hoping that the momentum can now continue and with your help this can be accelerated. For example spread the word as much as possible and i am sure with a further bumper crowd and a cracking atmopshere (like yesterday) it can only go to help. The key however is making sure this message is spread far and wide - so please help. I am all in favour of initiatives to try to attract fans to games but we all know that results and performances do more than any cut price initiative to bring crowds back. In order to improve results and performances it needs proper investment in the playing and coaching staff. Fifthly the Centenary kits. After speaking to a lot of fans last year it was decided to undertake the voting process this year. Hopefully you won't be disappointed. The three contenders will be paraded at the Gillingham game and availaible for closer inspection in the club shop (with voting forms). There will also be a feature in the Examiner. All I would ask is please take a look and vote. Please also note that the kits won't be available till End of July. Will the kits be on display in the shop in Town and will we be able to vote in the shop in Town? Is the Examiner running a poll as well? Will pictures of the kits be available on the official site and will people be able to vote on the official site? Sixthly, Communication. It is often difficult to communicate to a wide audince however our best methods are 1, the website and 2 the programme. 1, being free and 2 being purchasable (with revenues going back to the club) I would think that no matter how difficult it is to communicate with a wider audience it is imperative that these difficulties are overcome. As i said earlier the website and programmes are restrictive in some ways and have their limitations as does the Examiner and local radio. All forms of communication need to be used no matter how time consuming they are. Regular communication between club and supporters is imperative to foster good relations. Once again we seem to be in drawbridge raised mode in the boardroom. I'm afraid in times of difficulty this is not a good tactic. They may not like the criticism but that is part of the territory in running a football club where supporters expectations are higher than the club's current status. Thanks for taking time out from your weekend Sean, feel free to post anytime
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Post by numbers on Jan 7, 2008 10:22:28 GMT 1
Tracking down the big HTFC messageboard He was *asked* to look at this messageboard by one of our moderators. He needs to narrow that down a bit though...
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 7, 2008 10:38:33 GMT 1
Good communication would be Davy having the decency and respect for the fans to reply to the letter FFA sent him months ago, rather than just ignoring it cos it is asking him questions he can't or doesn't want to answer.
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Post by bbb on Jan 7, 2008 10:45:27 GMT 1
He was *asked* to look at this messageboard by one of our moderators. He needs to narrow that down a bit though... NOT GUILTY
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jan 7, 2008 11:08:04 GMT 1
I've based my opinion on 25 years experience in sales and customer service (I'm the biggest bullshitter in the business, And I can spot it a mile off) Your opinion has been based on what exactly? Am I qualified enough to post on this thread michelotti, I have a degree in Marketing and several years marketing experience, the last four working in CRM. Why do you need to post your credentials anyway to express an opinion, it doesn't make it more valid! I’d also say I’m worldly wise enough to see when someone is trying to make a genuine effort and when someone is merely paying lip service Honestly, if you think going on a fans website on a Sunday evening is part of the Business Development Director's remit then all I can say is you’re a demanding taskmaster. Personally the last thing I want to think about on Sunday is work. If SJ felt he should be seeding this site with “spin” I’m sure him and his minions could post on here under other names. Sounds all a little paranoid to me though! Personally I would imagine the bloke is hard working (pre-requisite to hold down a Directors position) so for him to take time out on his day off to post on work related matters deserves some credit, whether you like the answers and subject matter or not Yes there are bigger issues but why not let SJ address matters in the sphere of his control, like catering. Otherwise it’s like complaining to a train driver over the state of Rail Track! IMO there’s nothing he (or Watson for that matter) can do about the rental agreement, sure they can be influencers but ultimately that decision rests with KSDL (specifically KD who owns 60%!). KSDL seem to like the status quo, we don’t so why not write to KD regarding this issues. You probably have and got no response so IMO you’re taking your frustrations out on SJ Anyway carry on with the uncalled for insults for SJ having the audacity to post and identify himself; “muppet”, “bullshitter”. I mean I’m sure there are so many other Execs at HTAFC itching to post in their personal time and open themselves to public ridicule!
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Post by andyhudd on Jan 7, 2008 13:08:40 GMT 1
I've based my opinion on 25 years experience in sales and customer service (I'm the biggest bullshitter in the business, And I can spot it a mile off) Your opinion has been based on what exactly? Am I qualified enough to post on this thread michelotti, I have a degree in Marketing and several years marketing experience, the last four working in CRM. Why do you need to post your credentials anyway to express an opinion, it doesn't make it more valid! I’d also say I’m worldly wise enough to see when someone is trying to make a genuine effort and when someone is merely paying lip service Honestly, if you think going on a fans website on a Sunday evening is part of the Business Development Director's remit then all I can say is you’re a demanding taskmaster. Personally the last thing I want to think about on Sunday is work. If SJ felt he should be seeding this site with “spin” I’m sure him and his minions could post on here under other names. Sounds all a little paranoid to me though! Personally I would imagine the bloke is hard working (pre-requisite to hold down a Directors position) so for him to take time out on his day off to post on work related matters deserves some credit, whether you like the answers and subject matter or not Yes there are bigger issues but why not let SJ address matters in the sphere of his control, like catering. Otherwise it’s like complaining to a train driver over the state of Rail Track! IMO there’s nothing he (or Watson for that matter) can do about the rental agreement, sure they can be influencers but ultimately that decision rests with KSDL (specifically KD who owns 60%!). KSDL seem to like the status quo, we don’t so why not write to KD regarding this issues. You probably have and got no response so IMO you’re taking your frustrations out on SJ Anyway carry on with the uncalled for insults for SJ having the audacity to post and identify himself; “muppet”, “bullshitter”. I mean I’m sure there are so many other Execs at HTAFC itching to post in their personal time and open themselves to public ridicule! A good post. An interesting one here - if he posts again and talks down some of his doubters then I'm going your way on this one, if he stays back having been criticised and doesn't reply it's not going to look great for him. It's good that he's come on this website when he could have just left us, the " minority" and commented on the official site and in the programme. It's up to Sean to persuade people he's on here for the right reasons now I suppose. We'll see ... Andy.
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