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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2014 12:34:16 GMT 1
The disappointing thing with this saga and perhaps the back end of last season is that Town relaunched itself with these 10 or whatever pillars which it aimed to represent at all times....honesty....integrity etc, yet can they honestly say they've acted in accordance with them recently?
No one still really knows the situation with Clayton and Town (besides that he's probably off) - we don't know if Town have offered a contract and he's rejected or something else, no one from the club has said anything. If we want to represent honesty and integrity why hasn't someone come out and just told it how it it. 'Adam doesn't want to sign a new contract but wants to reassess his options next year, in that case it would make business sense to sell him this window - however that doesn't mean we won't get the right price for him. If no one matches or valuation he will stay for another year'
Who exactly are the club protecting by leaving the fans in the dark?
It was the same last season. We bizarrely loaned all strikers out knowing JV was a liability with fitness and then lo and behold he gets crocked and we have one striker to see us through a relegation battle. Everyone at the club is right lipped - no 'we dropped a bollock' or 'we see Ward as a better option', just this stupid silence an all matters.
I know Dean is a great business man, but there becomes a point when the club has to realise it is also a social institution and not just an excel data sheet.
We've been given fuck all info regarding anything as of late by the club - I'm not expecting Dean to blow the cobwebs off the chequebook but it wouldn't have harmed to have some frequent dialogue with the fans about where we stand on matters. Signings....outgoing players...why Clayton looks like he's on the verge of leaving 1 week before the season starting.
Honesty...integrity....respect....my arse. Fans have been in the dark too long.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2014 12:34:26 GMT 1
Fact is, if we sell Clayton and start the season poorly then all hell will break loose. On DATM maybe.. I thought the whole idea of the NSL was to facilitate a good match day atmosphere win lose or draw It seems the NSL will be the only positive part of the club at the start of the season, or so it would appear reading DATM in the last few days.
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Post by slackjaw on Aug 3, 2014 12:35:34 GMT 1
If he goes then surely we must have a replacement lined up it's not like we've only just found out about this today,it's been going on weeks.Two or three new signings next week and things will look a lot better(I hope)
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Post by 3Pipe on Aug 3, 2014 12:40:08 GMT 1
It seems the NSL will be the only positive part of the club at the start of the season, or so it would appear reading DATM in the last few days. It's a big positive though, don't underestimate it. The NSL will still be going whatever league we're in and when all these present worries are long forgotten about.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2014 12:42:47 GMT 1
It seems the NSL will be the only positive part of the club at the start of the season, or so it would appear reading DATM in the last few days. It's a big positive though, don't underestimate it. The NSL will still be going whatever league we're in and when all these present worries are long forgotten about. Well I'm looking forward to the start of the season, can't wait for the NSL to rock and beat Bournemouth. Don't know what everyone's problem is!!
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Post by 3Pipe on Aug 3, 2014 12:49:32 GMT 1
Don't know what everyone's problem is!! My problem is I'm too far away from the action. Selling Hudds Uni to my lad on a daily basis.
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Post by SaudiTerrier on Aug 3, 2014 13:01:02 GMT 1
Can't believe what I read on here sometimes.
If we receive £2m for Clayton, a player we bought for a few hundred thousand, who is now in the final year of his contract and doesn't want to extend it, it's a good deal. That's it. It's a fact. Your opinion is irrelevant.
You can say he's pivotal to the team, he's only going to improve, he'll be worth £10m in a few years time, he's got superpowers, a single strand of his beard hair can bring the dead back to life, he's going to be the saviour of all man kind, or any other bloody reason but it doesn't matter. If Town have offered him the best contract they can but he doesn't want it then the only logical thing to do is sell him for as much as possible and try bring in a replacement ASAP. That's the way it works.
No fans really know what is going on behind the scenes. It's just as likely Dean and the board are running around screaming in a panic not knowing what to do, as it is that they have several deals lined up and secured just awaiting the sale. We'll just have to wait and see.
People asking for the club to come out and be honest with fans clearly don't have a bloody clue what they're talking about. You don't advertise your weaknesses in the world of business, especially in the middle of a negotiation. What do you expect to happen? Dean to go on Radio Leeds and be like "Hey guys, just wanted to let you know we offered Adam a deal for this much, but he turned it down and said that he hates it here and can't wait to leave. We know this will be used against us now and we'll barely get £200k for him now, but it's all worth it because you guys didn't have to wait a week to find out what's happening"
Get a grip.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2014 13:04:26 GMT 1
Don't know what everyone's problem is!! My problem is I'm too far away from the action. Selling Hudds Uni to my lad on a daily basis. Ever thought of going back to uni yourself for a few years pipe dog?
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Post by 3Pipe on Aug 3, 2014 13:11:48 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2014 13:29:24 GMT 1
you are right it did made sense but the bottom line is if the player does not want an extension on his contract there is bugger all the club can do about it other than cash in. if the price is right he will go other wise he will run is contract out and go on a free. end of story. I agree that's the bottom line but there seemed to be little indication of that, tho obviously I don't know what the score was behind the scenes. An extension wouldn't have blocked a move for Adam this summer and likes of Brighton would've either paid what he's worth or come back next year and paid more, him having had another good season at champs level. Or more likely a promoted prem team would've had him for £3M+. Maybe I'm biased, I probably am but the guy has bags of class and could be relied upon for 35 games a year. Also the better players around him the more effective he is. Will be galling to see his success at a rival championship club. i agree entirley about his quality
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2014 13:35:47 GMT 1
The disappointing thing with this saga and perhaps the back end of last season is that Town relaunched itself with these 10 or whatever pillars which it aimed to represent at all times....honesty....integrity etc, yet can they honestly say they've acted in accordance with them recently? No one still really knows the situation with Clayton and Town (besides that he's probably off) - we don't know if Town have offered a contract and he's rejected or something else, no one from the club has said anything. If we want to represent honesty and integrity why hasn't someone come out and just told it how it it. 'Adam doesn't want to sign a new contract but wants to reassess his options next year, in that case it would make business sense to sell him this window - however that doesn't mean we won't get the right price for him. If no one matches or valuation he will stay for another year' Who exactly are the club protecting by leaving the fans in the dark? It was the same last season. We bizarrely loaned all strikers out knowing JV was a liability with fitness and then lo and behold he gets crocked and we have one striker to see us through a relegation battle. Everyone at the club is right lipped - no 'we dropped a bollock' or 'we see Ward as a better option', just this stupid silence an all matters. I know Dean is a great business man, but there becomes a point when the club has to realise it is also a social institution and not just an excel data sheet. We've been given fuck all info regarding anything as of late by the club - I'm not expecting Dean to blow the cobwebs off the chequebook but it wouldn't have harmed to have some frequent dialogue with the fans about where we stand on matters. Signings....outgoing players...why Clayton looks like he's on the verge of leaving 1 week before the season starting. Honesty...integrity....respect....my arse. Fans have been in the dark too long. as you say noone knows the real situation with clayton what we do know we are short of a couple of quality players the manager knows it now its down to the powers that be to deliver.full stop
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2014 13:36:41 GMT 1
People asking for the club to come out and be honest with fans clearly don't have a bloody clue what they're talking about. You don't advertise your weaknesses in the world of business, especially in the middle of a negotiation. What do you expect to happen? Dean to go on Radio Leeds and be like "Hey guys, just wanted to let you know we offered Adam a deal for this much, but he turned it down and said that he hates it here and can't wait to leave. We know this will be used against us now and we'll barely get £200k for him now, but it's all worth it because you guys didn't have to wait a week to find out what's happening" Get a grip. You can't seriously be as naive to think that the clubs chasing him don't already know EXACTLY what the situation is regarding us and him and contracts and his intentions and our weaknesses and who has the upper hand...the agent will be updating them on a day to day basis. They'll know exactly what he's been offered and how much was on the table and they'll know exactly what he wants from them for him to sign for them. Deans evaluation of the player won't change just because he confirmed or denied if we'd offered him a contract. If the bid is too low he won't accept. If we're all clueless in the world of business as you state, which economics school did you go to which keeps the key stakeholders completely in the dark? Which will have a direct detrimental effect if it carries on. Folk are fed up of not being given anything by the club other than new partnerships with pest control companies or whatever. But we deserve to know at least whether he got offered a contract or not. Every man and his dog on the inside will already know, so what difference does it make if the fans know
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Post by terriermcd on Aug 3, 2014 13:49:20 GMT 1
Whatever he's sold for you can guarantee the club will say it's an undisclosed fee
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Post by jasrick on Aug 3, 2014 13:57:56 GMT 1
Doesn't Dean do Q&A sessions where you can ask him whatever you fancy? I'm sure if you asked him if Clayton had been offered a new contract he'd happily confirm that he had.
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Post by Melc on Aug 3, 2014 14:11:12 GMT 1
I don't like it but we are a selling club and town have put that message out loud and clear. The whole transfer policy this summer has turned into a complete farse, and we should not be pissing around only days to the start of a new season. If Clayton does go I expect quality to be brought in but our policy of penny pinching suggests otherwise!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2014 14:17:30 GMT 1
Everyone's a fucking "selling club". HATE that phrase.
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Post by Melc on Aug 3, 2014 14:23:41 GMT 1
Everyone's a fucking "selling club". HATE that phrase. I hate people that feel they have to swear to make a point!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2014 14:24:51 GMT 1
This is a disaster if true. I don't think there'll be any kind of replacement possible for a player who has loads of improvement left in him and is a complete midfield player at this level already. The most important player in our squad. Could we not have renewed his contract last year to avoid the situation that now seems likely? He's the one player I consistently enjoy watching. A year ago most people thought he was an idle waster who wasn't quite up to it. They were wrong... and now we're in a mess. If it's so easy to replace Clayton (if we should let him go) why aren't Middlesbrough and Brighton buying that replacement player instead of Clayton?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2014 14:26:09 GMT 1
He has just said on twitter "what an eventful evening"! Hes gone me thinks! Probably was but wasn't The Riverside or Amex. Night out in Manchestaaaaw for his mates birthday
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Post by ritchie on Aug 3, 2014 14:41:45 GMT 1
2m would be decent business considering the situation. it would be a complete disaster for the team though.
i imagine we were going to offer him a contract last year, which he might well have signed as there probably wont have been quite as much interest, but then he had the bust up with patio and we decided to hold back...little did we know how well he would react to that and put in his best performances for the club
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Post by htfcterrier23 on Aug 3, 2014 14:42:49 GMT 1
No one still really knows the situation with Clayton and Town (besides that he's probably off) - we don't know if Town have offered a contract and he's rejected or something else, no one from the club has said anything. If we want to represent honesty and integrity why hasn't someone come out and just told it how it it. 'Adam doesn't want to sign a new contract but wants to reassess his options next year, in that case it would make business sense to sell him this window - however that doesn't mean we won't get the right price for him. If no one matches or valuation he will stay for another year' There is some truth to what you say here. The Clayton situation should have been addressed by someone at the club.
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Post by htfcterrier23 on Aug 3, 2014 14:45:06 GMT 1
I think it would be better in the future to try and get players on contracts with a one year option i.e Ward. It gives the club much more flexibility.
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Post by ritchie on Aug 3, 2014 14:47:14 GMT 1
I think it would be better in the future to try and get players on contracts with a one year option i.e Ward. It gives the club much more flexibility. think we do on most now
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2014 15:30:44 GMT 1
Why would it be such a disaster for the team?
He was an integral part of the 11 that played like a team at the Special Olympics in the second half of last season. The money may allow us to sign 2 or 3 players that sort the glaring problems that we can all see are still there
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Aug 3, 2014 15:44:08 GMT 1
In our heart of hearts I think we all know that any stars we have are going to be using us as a stepping stone to a bigger team and a bigger contact. Wells said as much when he signed and you're a fool if you think it isn't the case for everyone else. We might have extended clayton's contract last year but I can't see that Clayton would've accepted it because it would've driven his price up.
The exception might be local lads like smithies (and even then it would be lads from the town - look at hunt) but until we start getting 3/4 of those through at once it won't make that much difference.
Clayton will be a big loss but we've got Majewski in so even if he's to replace Clayton (I bloody hope not) our midfield is already more balanced than last year.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2014 15:44:14 GMT 1
Fact is, if we sell Clayton and start the season poorly then all hell will break loose. It seems that many contributors to DATM - mostly the wholly and constantly negative ones - represent themselves as the 'voice of the terrace' or the nerve pulse of the fan base - this is arrogant as much as it's misplaced. DATM meltdowns are characterised by this - full of speculation, dare I say paranoia, Yorkshire miserabilism, 'brave' self important hyperbole from the anonymous inward looking security of the keyboard, handing out stick to all and sundry, get over yourselves and instead gets behind the team this coming Saturday and turn your endless negativity into a positive outlook and one more thing, if you are going to voice endless criticism be prepared to say it to the targeted people (Dean Hoyle etc) themselves face to face rather than skulk around like some anonymous keyboard troll....... I would be more than happy to say exactly how i feel about things to Dean Hoyle's face, At the end of the day he is the chairman and the man that put himself in that position, Doesn't mean i have to agree with everything he does just because some see himas some kind of God, After all he was the one Skulking around on DATM last night no doubt gauging the fans opinion on the shite which was served up yest at Oldham and the news about the Clayts potential move. Not all fans are happy clappy and if they feel something is wrong then they will come on here and voice that opinion, Not turn up every week wasting there hard earned cash to watch the same tosh that was served up second half of last year and if pre season is any indicator the start of the coming season also, Just because we support HTAFC it doesn't mean we are all watching with rose tinted glasses and will accept anything the club / Deano will do, If that's what they think then i suggest it is they who are arrogant.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2014 15:49:58 GMT 1
It seems that many contributors to DATM - mostly the wholly and constantly negative ones - represent themselves as the 'voice of the terrace' or the nerve pulse of the fan base - this is arrogant as much as it's misplaced. DATM meltdowns are characterised by this - full of speculation, dare I say paranoia, Yorkshire miserabilism, 'brave' self important hyperbole from the anonymous inward looking security of the keyboard, handing out stick to all and sundry, get over yourselves and instead gets behind the team this coming Saturday and turn your endless negativity into a positive outlook and one more thing, if you are going to voice endless criticism be prepared to say it to the targeted people (Dean Hoyle etc) themselves face to face rather than skulk around like some anonymous keyboard troll....... I would be more than happy to say exactly how i feel about things to Dean Hoyle's face, At the end of the day he is the chairman and the man that put himself in that position, Doesn't mean i have to agree with everything he does just because some see himas some kind of God, After all he was the one Skulking around on DATM last night no doubt gauging the fans opinion on the shite which was served up yest at Oldham and the news about the Clayts potential move. Not all fans are happy clappy and if they feel something is wrong then they will come on here and voice that opinion, Not turn up every week wasting there hard earned cash to watch the same tosh that was served up second half of last year and if pre season is any indicator the start of the coming season also, Just because we support HTAFC it doesn't mean we are all watching with rose tinted glasses and will accept anything the club / Deano will do, If that's what they think then i suggest it is they who are arrogant.Yet i'm a wanker, prick, know fuck all & not wanted at Town games. Funny how peoples opinions & perceptions change
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2014 15:51:50 GMT 1
I would be more than happy to say exactly how i feel about things to Dean Hoyle's face, At the end of the day he is the chairman and the man that put himself in that position, Doesn't mean i have to agree with everything he does just because some see himas some kind of God, After all he was the one Skulking around on DATM last night no doubt gauging the fans opinion on the shite which was served up yest at Oldham and the news about the Clayts potential move. Not all fans are happy clappy and if they feel something is wrong then they will come on here and voice that opinion, Not turn up every week wasting there hard earned cash to watch the same tosh that was served up second half of last year and if pre season is any indicator the start of the coming season also, Just because we support HTAFC it doesn't mean we are all watching with rose tinted glasses and will accept anything the club / Deano will do, If that's what they think then i suggest it is they who are arrogant.Yet i'm a wanker, prick, know fuck all & not wanted at Town games. Funny how peoples opinions & perceptions change I never said you weren't wanted at Town games.
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