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Post by iknownowt on Aug 10, 2014 18:54:50 GMT 1
Ive spent quite a time reading the forum today and I nearly posted a reply to several.
Instead I decided to summarise my thoughts.
Firstly when it comes to yesterdays game to blame one or even two players is totally ridiculous. Too many played well below their abilities.
Secondly, when judging a players abilities, I often hear quoted "hes a lot of pace" or "hes a good left foot" and many other clichés. But no matter what ability a player he has, they should have all one thing in common. They should all want the ball and make themselves available. They should all be willing to move when they havnt the ball, even if its only to create space for others. Yesterday I lost count of the times a Town player had the ball and had to search for a willing teammate.
Thirdly, the word motivation crops up and it was certainly fitting to query that yesterday. Yet another cliché is "the manager cannot motivate his team".
If I was the manager, before I announced my team, I would ask all players if they needed any motivation. If any player admitted he need motivation, he would not be in the team that day and not in the club much longer.
Top players don't need motivation - they do it themselves, that what makes consistent and they finish at the top clubs - how many men need motivating at Man City.
Fourthly, I feel a bit sorry for Mark Robins. Under him, we have seen the best football played by Town for some time. I haven't always agreed with his selection but very few people have the same opinions and we would all have picked different teams at different times. I doubt nobody will ever know what effect the sacking of his assistants had but its certainly a rare occurrence.
Finally, I am guilty, but not much as some on here, of being biased in our judgement of players. We have our favourites and when they do something half decent, we are quick to tell everyone around us. When the do something bad, we make excuses.
Bearing that in mind, the treatment of Alex Smithies is over-the-top. He didn't have a god game and was responsible for one the goals but when someone counts the number of times he kicked the ball straight into touch shows how they are looking to blame him for something. Incidentally I think the number of times he played it one of the back three was the lowest since we played three at the back. Why as that?
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Post by turbo2 on Aug 10, 2014 19:04:40 GMT 1
Your name sums it up for. Total rubbish.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Aug 10, 2014 19:11:31 GMT 1
Ive spent quite a time reading the forum today and I nearly posted a reply to several. Instead I decided to summarise my thoughts. Firstly when it comes to yesterdays game to blame one or even two players is totally ridiculous. Too many played well below their abilities. Secondly, when judging a players abilities, I often hear quoted "hes a lot of pace" or "hes a good left foot" and many other clichés. But no matter what ability a player he has, they should have all one thing in common. They should all want the ball and make themselves available. They should all be willing to move when they havnt the ball, even if its only to create space for others. Yesterday I lost count of the times a Town player had the ball and had to search for a willing teammate. Thirdly, the word motivation crops up and it was certainly fitting to query that yesterday. Yet another cliché is "the manager cannot motivate his team". If I was the manager, before I announced my team, I would ask all players if they needed any motivation. If any player admitted he need motivation, he would not be in the team that day and not in the club much longer. Top players don't need motivation - they do it themselves, that what makes consistent and they finish at the top clubs - how many men need motivating at Man City. Fourthly, I feel a bit sorry for Mark Robins. Under him, we have seen the best football played by Town for some time. I haven't always agreed with his selection but very few people have the same opinions and we would all have picked different teams at different times. I doubt nobody will ever know what effect the sacking of his assistants had but its certainly a rare occurrence. Finally, I am guilty, but not much as some on here, of being biased in our judgement of players. We have our favourites and when they do something half decent, we are quick to tell everyone around us. When the do something bad, we make excuses. Bearing that in mind, the treatment of Alex Smithies is over-the-top. He didn't have a god game and was responsible for one the goals but when someone counts the number of times he kicked the ball straight into touch shows how they are looking to blame him for something. Incidentally I think the number of times he played it one of the back three was the lowest since we played three at the back. Why as that? Still don't think well be relegated Smithies had a worldie at their place last season and kept the score down to an acceptable level. I'm afraid he looked a wreck from start to finish yesterday. That's his problem, the inconsistency of form - even often within a single game. I think he needs a period out of the headlights. I always thought Bennett was far superior to Smithies and it will be interesting to compare him to Murphy. |
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Post by In sooth- - on Aug 10, 2014 19:29:08 GMT 1
We could have a team able to pass all day,have 90% of possession, an impregnable defence but unable to penetrate the opposition.
Give us a really motivated bunch of players giving us excitement,a few cup runs and keep in the top ten.
I would be happy.
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Aug 10, 2014 20:17:26 GMT 1
Ive spent quite a time reading the forum today and I nearly posted a reply to several. Instead I decided to summarise my thoughts. Firstly when it comes to yesterdays game to blame one or even two players is totally ridiculous. Too many played well below their abilities. Secondly, when judging a players abilities, I often hear quoted "hes a lot of pace" or "hes a good left foot" and many other clichés. But no matter what ability a player he has, they should have all one thing in common. They should all want the ball and make themselves available. They should all be willing to move when they havnt the ball, even if its only to create space for others. Yesterday I lost count of the times a Town player had the ball and had to search for a willing teammate. Thirdly, the word motivation crops up and it was certainly fitting to query that yesterday. Yet another cliché is "the manager cannot motivate his team". If I was the manager, before I announced my team, I would ask all players if they needed any motivation. If any player admitted he need motivation, he would not be in the team that day and not in the club much longer. Top players don't need motivation - they do it themselves, that what makes consistent and they finish at the top clubs - how many men need motivating at Man City. Fourthly, I feel a bit sorry for Mark Robins. Under him, we have seen the best football played by Town for some time. I haven't always agreed with his selection but very few people have the same opinions and we would all have picked different teams at different times. I doubt nobody will ever know what effect the sacking of his assistants had but its certainly a rare occurrence. Finally, I am guilty, but not much as some on here, of being biased in our judgement of players. We have our favourites and when they do something half decent, we are quick to tell everyone around us. When the do something bad, we make excuses. Bearing that in mind, the treatment of Alex Smithies is over-the-top. He didn't have a god game and was responsible for one the goals but when someone counts the number of times he kicked the ball straight into touch shows how they are looking to blame him for something. Incidentally I think the number of times he played it one of the back three was the lowest since we played three at the back. Why as that? Still don't think well be relegated Would have been relegated under Robins especially if yesterdays performance was anything to go by |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 20:22:43 GMT 1
we are just boring to watch,absolute shite,waste of money and time,the football was making me sick,something had to happen,and it as,thank fk
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 20:31:00 GMT 1
to be fair we have been playing like strangers for so long, i cannot remember our last really exciting football match. Players didn't turn up yesterday. The manager looked completely lost on the touchlines. If you're going to send a message out to the supporters then that aint it. 60 minutes and the stadium was emptying. That tells everything you need to know. In the past under different managers we might have given it a go but we lacked any kind of fight. Robins tried to fool the supporters with his post match spiel. It was all garbage. Heard it before. We were clueless all over the park, from our calamity in waiting goalkeeper to our keystone cops defending. Our missing midfield to our lone striker.
Are there any excuses? Ask the fans that left on 60 minutes.
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Post by buzz on Aug 10, 2014 22:22:10 GMT 1
Exellent post!.........close to spot on with everything yuo have just said!.........Completely wasted on here tho!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 22:28:18 GMT 1
we are just boring to watch,absolute shite,waste of money and time,the football was making me sick,something had to happen,and it as,thank fk Now that's how you summarise your thoughts, OP!  |
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Post by willsmeaton on Aug 10, 2014 22:30:31 GMT 1
Ive spent quite a time reading the forum today and I nearly posted a reply to several. Instead I decided to summarise my thoughts. Firstly when it comes to yesterdays game to blame one or even two players is totally ridiculous. Too many played well below their abilities. Secondly, when judging a players abilities, I often hear quoted "hes a lot of pace" or "hes a good left foot" and many other clichés. But no matter what ability a player he has, they should have all one thing in common. They should all want the ball and make themselves available. They should all be willing to move when they havnt the ball, even if its only to create space for others. Yesterday I lost count of the times a Town player had the ball and had to search for a willing teammate. Thirdly, the word motivation crops up and it was certainly fitting to query that yesterday. Yet another cliché is "the manager cannot motivate his team". If I was the manager, before I announced my team, I would ask all players if they needed any motivation. If any player admitted he need motivation, he would not be in the team that day and not in the club much longer. Top players don't need motivation - they do it themselves, that what makes consistent and they finish at the top clubs - how many men need motivating at Man City.
Fourthly, I feel a bit sorry for Mark Robins. Under him, we have seen the best football played by Town for some time. I haven't always agreed with his selection but very few people have the same opinions and we would all have picked different teams at different times. I doubt nobody will ever know what effect the sacking of his assistants had but its certainly a rare occurrence. Finally, I am guilty, but not much as some on here, of being biased in our judgement of players. We have our favourites and when they do something half decent, we are quick to tell everyone around us. When the do something bad, we make excuses. Bearing that in mind, the treatment of Alex Smithies is over-the-top. He didn't have a god game and was responsible for one the goals but when someone counts the number of times he kicked the ball straight into touch shows how they are looking to blame him for something. Incidentally I think the number of times he played it one of the back three was the lowest since we played three at the back. Why as that? Still don't think well be relegated
[/u][/b] Not having a go, I think your post is a well balanced argument but here are some things I disagree with. 1) The manager doesn't need to motivate his players at City, money is a huge motivator, players get %'s of transfer fees when they are purchased and I could imagine the players will also get performance incentives as well as their basic wage. 2) We've signed another goalkeeper, Murphy deserves his chance and it will be interesting to see if Eyre/Thompson or the new man have confidence in Smithies. 3) You defend from the front, we desperately need a striker. IMO that's more important than a centre half, holding the ball up means pressure is relieved on the back 3/4 and it allows the team to get up the field. Wells also needs a partner, a 5ft 7 striker at this level cannot lead the line. |
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Post by ACW on Aug 10, 2014 22:39:21 GMT 1
We could have a team able to pass all day,have 90% of possession, an impregnable defence but unable to penetrate the opposition. Give us a really motivated bunch of players giving us excitement,a few cup runs and keep in the top ten. I would be happy. Could we? Could we really? Not with the players on display yesterday - they had trouble keeping the ball for 2-3 passes - penetration or no penetration. |
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Post by ACW on Aug 10, 2014 22:41:11 GMT 1
Your name sums it up for. Total rubbish. What a pathetic post. The OP presented his views and elaborated on them. You are entitled to disagree but at least make some attempt to explain why. Its easy to sling mud, not quite so easy to be bother to explain why you're doing it, is it? |
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Post by cas4 on Aug 10, 2014 22:44:46 GMT 1
we are just boring to watch,absolute shite,waste of money and time,the football was making me sick,something had to happen,and it as,thank fk To the point with no arsing about, also applies to the last three months of last season UTT |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Aug 10, 2014 22:54:34 GMT 1
Ive spent quite a time reading the forum today and I nearly posted a reply to several. Instead I decided to summarise my thoughts. Firstly when it comes to yesterdays game to blame one or even two players is totally ridiculous. Too many played well below their abilities. Secondly, when judging a players abilities, I often hear quoted "hes a lot of pace" or "hes a good left foot" and many other clichés. But no matter what ability a player he has, they should have all one thing in common. They should all want the ball and make themselves available. They should all be willing to move when they havnt the ball, even if its only to create space for others. Yesterday I lost count of the times a Town player had the ball and had to search for a willing teammate. Thirdly, the word motivation crops up and it was certainly fitting to query that yesterday. Yet another cliché is "the manager cannot motivate his team". If I was the manager, before I announced my team, I would ask all players if they needed any motivation. If any player admitted he need motivation, he would not be in the team that day and not in the club much longer. Top players don't need motivation - they do it themselves, that what makes consistent and they finish at the top clubs - how many men need motivating at Man City. Fourthly, I feel a bit sorry for Mark Robins. Under him, we have seen the best football played by Town for some time. I haven't always agreed with his selection but very few people have the same opinions and we would all have picked different teams at different times. I doubt nobody will ever know what effect the sacking of his assistants had but its certainly a rare occurrence. Finally, I am guilty, but not much as some on here, of being biased in our judgement of players. We have our favourites and when they do something half decent, we are quick to tell everyone around us. When the do something bad, we make excuses. Bearing that in mind, the treatment of Alex Smithies is over-the-top. He didn't have a god game and was responsible for one the goals but when someone counts the number of times he kicked the ball straight into touch shows how they are looking to blame him for something. Incidentally I think the number of times he played it one of the back three was the lowest since we played three at the back. Why as that? Still don't think well be relegated Oh no, not this old chestnut again, another DATM myth, you are entitled to your opinion but if that was the case then no way would yesterday have happened and Mark Robins would still be Town manager. To elaborate on the 'best football ever' myth, I've never seen anything that resembles the 'best football ever' at Town. In all my 30 years of watching Town since Robins has been manager I've never been as bored watching Town as I have whilst Robins has been the manager. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 23:03:44 GMT 1
to be fair we have been playing like strangers for so long, i cannot remember our last really exciting football match. Players didn't turn up yesterday. The manager looked completely lost on the touchlines. If you're going to send a message out to the supporters then that aint it. 60 minutes and the stadium was emptying. That tells everything you need to know. In the past under different managers we might have given it a go but we lacked any kind of fight. Robins tried to fool the supporters with his post match spiel. It was all garbage. Heard it before. We were clueless all over the park, from our calamity in waiting goalkeeper to our keystone cops defending. Our missing midfield to our lone striker. Are there any excuses? Ask the fans that left on 60 minutes. For those that don't do away games, it was Burnley at home, end of November 2013. A long time ago. |
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Post by dugnet on Aug 10, 2014 23:45:02 GMT 1
to be fair we have been playing like strangers for so long, i cannot remember our last really exciting football match. Players didn't turn up yesterday. The manager looked completely lost on the touchlines. If you're going to send a message out to the supporters then that aint it. 60 minutes and the stadium was emptying. That tells everything you need to know. In the past under different managers we might have given it a go but we lacked any kind of fight. Robins tried to fool the supporters with his post match spiel. It was all garbage. Heard it before. We were clueless all over the park, from our calamity in waiting goalkeeper to our keystone cops defending. Our missing midfield to our lone striker. Are there any excuses? Ask the fans that left on 60 minutes. For those that don't do away games, it was Burnley at home, end of November 2014. A long time ago. To be fair the Derby game at Xmas was more than decent, we gave them a good run in the 2nd half...despite thumping Yeovil and Barnsley I don't remember anything else to get excited/hopeful about...and as for away...don't start me on the capitulation at Beeston, the dross at Doncaster and Blackpool. Here's another fact, bar Yeovil I don't think we won a game from a losing position and I am not sure we drew many either (Derby being one). |
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Post by H7 on Aug 11, 2014 0:28:20 GMT 1
to be fair we have been playing like strangers for so long, i cannot remember our last really exciting football match. Players didn't turn up yesterday. The manager looked completely lost on the touchlines. If you're going to send a message out to the supporters then that aint it. 60 minutes and the stadium was emptying. That tells everything you need to know. In the past under different managers we might have given it a go but we lacked any kind of fight. Robins tried to fool the supporters with his post match spiel. It was all garbage. Heard it before. We were clueless all over the park, from our calamity in waiting goalkeeper to our keystone cops defending. Our missing midfield to our lone striker. Are there any excuses? Ask the fans that left on 60 minutes. For those that don't do away games, it was Burnley at home, end of November 2013. A long time ago. Bloody hell that was a good game |
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Post by swagner on Aug 11, 2014 3:08:24 GMT 1
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Aug 11, 2014 6:42:27 GMT 1
to be fair we have been playing like strangers for so long, i cannot remember our last really exciting football match. Players didn't turn up yesterday. The manager looked completely lost on the touchlines. If you're going to send a message out to the supporters then that aint it. 60 minutes and the stadium was emptying. That tells everything you need to know. In the past under different managers we might have given it a go but we lacked any kind of fight. Robins tried to fool the supporters with his post match spiel. It was all garbage. Heard it before. We were clueless all over the park, from our calamity in waiting goalkeeper to our keystone cops defending. Our missing midfield to our lone striker. Are there any excuses? Ask the fans that left on 60 minutes. For those that don't do away games, it was Burnley at home, end of November 2013. A long time ago. Do you need to be excited at football matches, because they are very rare occasions when two well matched teams go at it hammer and tong. The world's best players failed to get me excited in the summer and there were only a couple of matches I enjoyed in Brazil. I tend to go hoping to enjoy the match but usually because I'm a fan and it's what I do, and for the record, I enjoyed many games last season including games after the Burnley one. I really enjoyed the thumping of Barnsley in March and for those that do away games, Watford (only 2 league games ago) ranks up there as one of my most enjoyable away days in 40 plus years of supporting Town. I doubt there are many Town fans that still naively think we are in an entertainment industry because football rarely if ever entertains folk, we are more than likely there because we were introduced by friends or family and still have enough disposable income to go and 'support' our team. I am convinced however that some people only go for a bloody good moan. |
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Post by turbo2 on Aug 11, 2014 8:39:25 GMT 1
Your name sums it up for. Total rubbish. What a pathetic post. The OP presented his views and elaborated on them. You are entitled to disagree but at least make some attempt to explain why. Its easy to sling mud, not quite so easy to be bother to explain why you're doing it, is it? So sorry Andy. From the OP's post and in order just for you. 1. All the players were poor on sat, but Smithies and Lynch were god damned awful. There is no problems saying that. 2. There are loads of international players who wont make themselves available for the ball. What makes you think bottom end championship players will, especially when they are getting hammered at home? 3. We are HTAFC, we dont have top players!!!!!!! Get real 4. Sorry for Robins? What a joke. And where was 'the best football in years'? I must have missed that game 5. Smithies is highly paid to play in goals for town. Beaten at his near post for the 2nd goal, parries the 3rd back to there player and lets the 4th straight through him. Distribution was also pathetic. Need I say more? |
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Post by ACW on Aug 12, 2014 20:39:36 GMT 1
What a pathetic post. The OP presented his views and elaborated on them. You are entitled to disagree but at least make some attempt to explain why. Its easy to sling mud, not quite so easy to be bother to explain why you're doing it, is it? So sorry Andy. From the OP's post and in order just for you. 1. All the players were poor on sat, but Smithies and Lynch were god damned awful. There is no problems saying that. 2. There are loads of international players who wont make themselves available for the ball. What makes you think bottom end championship players will, especially when they are getting hammered at home? 3. We are HTAFC, we dont have top players!!!!!!! Get real 4. Sorry for Robins? What a joke. And where was 'the best football in years'? I must have missed that game 5. Smithies is highly paid to play in goals for town. Beaten at his near post for the 2nd goal, parries the 3rd back to there player and lets the 4th straight through him. Distribution was also pathetic. Need I say more? You can be as sarcastic as you want - I stand by my original comment - your first post was pathetic because you all you did was slag off the OP. If you are going to dish out such shite at least be able to back it up with some semblance of a reasoned argument. |
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Post by patfield on Aug 12, 2014 20:51:01 GMT 1
For those that don't do away games, it was Burnley at home, end of November 2014. A long time ago. To be fair the Derby game at Xmas was more than decent, we gave them a good run in the 2nd half...despite thumping Yeovil and Barnsley I don't remember anything else to get excited/hopeful about...and as for away...don't start me on the capitulation at Beeston, the dross at Doncaster and Blackpool. Here's another fact, bar Yeovil I don't think we won a game from a losing position and I am not sure we drew many either (Derby being one).
And that just about sums it up for me . No Fight, No Passion, No Belief, No idea ........hope Lillis can instill this into this bunch of cowards |
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Post by niggled on Aug 12, 2014 20:58:30 GMT 1
last decent performance for me was qpr ,january i think, and now its august, we have had months of shite, this is going to take some turning around, we have deep rot.
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Post by imissmarcus on Aug 12, 2014 21:54:56 GMT 1
Finally somebody on here gets it. The suggestion that Saturday is a continuation of last season is a fallacy. Town played some excellent football at times last year which was clearly lost on those who genuinely "don't know what they're doing" (I listened to such Town fans berate the players and Robbins at Reading when they controlled the game and deserved more than a point against a playoff contender). But hey ho, those chanting at Robbins when he took off the ineffective Majewski on Saturday may get the Lennon or Davies they so desire. If that's the case we may as well dust Boothy off and revert to the tried and tested way of achieving mediocrity.
Robbins and Hoyle were willing to try something different for this club in the hope of building a philosophy and pathway that the club could grow with to become sustainable and, dare I, successful. Town would not have gone down this season with Robbins, nor would they have got promoted. However, I would have been happy to pay my £25 to watch them try to play something resembling football rather than the 10 years of long ball endured prior. Saturday was a catastrophe which happens every now and then, it should be considered as such rather than an indictment on everything Robbins had worked on.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2014 23:00:09 GMT 1
We have reasonably good home support
We have very good away support
We have an OK squad with 2 or 3 good players at this level
We had a reasonably good manager who for whatever reason had gone off the boil and following a solid start with patches of good football had lost his way with the players, tactics and team selection
We have a very good Chairman, the envy of most clubs our size
Saturday was a horror show
I'm still very happy to be a town fan. I could have been born in L@@ds and now following a circus troop
With a touch of magic from a new manager we could still be a good championship side even with the current squad.
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