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Post by Mirfield_blue on Jan 7, 2008 20:04:38 GMT 1
Jarvis mentioned that they had to look at the revenue the new scoreboard will generate when deciding whether to buy one. All advertising revenue goes to KSDL. The stadium is owned by KSDL (40% KMC, 60% HSP [ the Giants in reality]) HTFC pay extortionate amounts of rent for a stadium WITH A WORKING SCOREBOARD. The landlord is not providing the facilities HTFC are paying for. HTFC should have a reduction in their rent or the landlord should provide the facilities HTFC are paying for. All that means KSDL should pay 100% for the new scoreboard and any other improvements that are badly overdue. If you rent a house out as furnished with a cooker and that cooker conks out, you have to replace the cooker with one that works. It is not the tennants responsibility. But we all know that won't happen. HTFC will be paying for the new scoreboard. probably the biggest chunk of it and no doubt just in time for the superleague season to start. Just add it to the long list of other things we buy but dont own or get benefit from. Sean Jarvis himself could fall into that bracket it seems. Panasonic stand comes to mind  |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 7, 2008 20:13:39 GMT 1
When i said benefit I should have added 'financial' before it. The whole stadium is the big one. Researched and developed with HTFC money.Built largely with HTFC money,mainly funded since 1994 with HTFC money. HTFC receive 0 return in the future. ( Giants set to get 60% through their parent company HSP ,or HRLFC as it was known until davy cleverly changed it)
£650k for the barn that the giants pay a peppercorn rent to use is another.
Storthes Hall?
One day the details of the Zone will surface so I wonder is that will get added to the list?
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jan 7, 2008 20:55:43 GMT 1
The honourable thing to do,but he wont cos hes not honourable,he proved that on here with his first post. Out of interest,you happy been fed constant bullshit then?,or are you a Giants fan. How can he say his first post was not "honourable" - please elaborate? I think your comments are completely offside |
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Post by banjo on Jan 7, 2008 21:10:44 GMT 1
He said summat like not having much time to log on here so be patient.But then one of the mods suggested he logs in quite often.
If you think my comments are offside you obviously dont understand the offside rule,do you want me to elaborate?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2008 21:21:58 GMT 1
When you sign into this site it normally signs me in for 6 hours and even when I shut my laptop down it keeps me signed in, so maybe thats why he is signed in quite a lot.
Also he could sign in and have a quick scan but not have time to post anything because he has WORK to do, but because he has signed in, the site keeps him signed in.
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Post by banjo on Jan 7, 2008 21:30:52 GMT 1
If he comes on here and gives some real answers to some real questions i will apologise to him,but i wont hold my breath.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2008 21:33:55 GMT 1
You keep going on about 'real questions', why don't you ask some questions then?
You sound like Ken Davy! He keeps going on about 'ambitious plans' but never tells us what they are, and you keep going on about 'real questions' but then dont ask them!
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Post by mids on Jan 7, 2008 21:36:09 GMT 1
If he comes on here and gives some real answers to some real questions i will apologise to him,but i wont hold my breath. Email him your questions. His email address is on the official site. Be sure to copy your email onto here though so we can all monitor the situation. You might not believe him......but trust me his honesty is much more palateable than the rest of the board put together. Granted a lot of it is spun in marketing speak, and his timing this time may attract comments, but he does try to answer any question that is within his remit. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jan 7, 2008 21:46:30 GMT 1
He said summat like not having much time to log on here so be patient.But then one of the mods suggested he logs in quite often. If you think my comments are offside you obviously dont understand the offside rule,do you want me to elaborate? So in sum he's not honorable because he doesn't spend his working day posting replies on this site to win favour You're certainly going about it the right way to get him to post again by accusing him as unhonourable based on no more than hearsay! Do yourself a favour, log off and post again in the morning when you're sober. |
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Post by Richard1986 on Jan 7, 2008 22:03:25 GMT 1
whats wrong with the scoreboard ?
it displays the scores...what more do you want/need?
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Post by andyhudd on Jan 7, 2008 22:07:01 GMT 1
whats wrong with the scoreboard ? it displays the scores...what more do you want/need? It's quite badly damaged ... flashing light bulbs in the places it's broken. Not ALWAYS legible. |
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Post by jackosgal on Jan 7, 2008 22:08:51 GMT 1
whats wrong with the scoreboard ? it displays the scores...what more do you want/need? I thought I heard a waft of sarcasm there, but in the absence of a smillie, well .............  |
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Post by terrier26 on Jan 7, 2008 22:25:09 GMT 1
The town scoreboard also tells you when to clap and it shoots the ball. How fun. Why waste the money on it and leave it as it is
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Post by specialun on Jan 7, 2008 22:25:43 GMT 1
As much as i am sceptical about anything revolving around us paying in a stadium we don't own - turn the thing on its head....
As sean jarvis says, they must consider what extra revenue it will generate - ie) sponsorship.
Imo, over a number of years the benefits should certainly outweigh the costs - as per the scorebaord now. It would add a little to the matchday experience...action replays, all the scores at once, action from previous games to build the atmosphere etc depending on what is allowed on it. For me this is a small improvement - whether we have it or not would not affect whether i go to watch town or not. For others, this will be less important, for others more. It offers the chance for better communication of future games, prices, dates etc as well.
The point should be, is it cost effective? Imo, over years with additional sponsorship revenue streams - yes
Plus as sean jarvis says - this scoreboard is obsolete - ie)it cannot be replaced! So its no scoreboard at all or a big screen -Big screen for me
But if town do say, put in 40% of the costs there out to be a clause in the contract which says town get 40% of advertising revenue. Full stop. End of.
Not ...if its a football game, less if its a eugby international plus if its x23 etc or whatever magical formula presents itself to mr davy.
Simple.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jan 8, 2008 10:12:57 GMT 1
A state of the art Stadium shouldn't have a broken scoreboard.
If not having a new scoreboard would lead to a reduction in rent then maybe my view would be different but it won't
That said we pay top dollar to play in a state of the art stadium with all the trimmings that entails, including a working scoreboard
Frankly it's the Giants stadium, they're so cash rich they can loan us £400k, so I'm sure they can find money to upgrade the stadium for their tenants!
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Post by michelotti on Jan 8, 2008 10:17:45 GMT 1
"As sean jarvis says, they must consider what extra revenue it will generate - ie) sponsorship."
Sponsorship / revenue for who exactly? would the extra revenue go directly into the Huddersfield Town coffers, or would it go into HSP?
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 8, 2008 10:23:30 GMT 1
It would go to KSDL. Thus making the Giants' 60% of profit dividends that bit closer.
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Post by SN0W on Jan 8, 2008 11:20:02 GMT 1
Lets face it... KD has us tied in knots.... we are already buying the Panasonic Stand for them...
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Post by Rigodon on Jan 8, 2008 13:17:19 GMT 1
Just think how cash rich we would be if we didn't have KD - I mean they would be people queuing to mirfield to buy us. Loadsa brass us, notorious for it. Can't believe the AP is the only on that's been interested. Thats mental considering...
Seriously though, I do think we get a ruff deal now. Who's legacy I honestly can't tell from ALL our history but I still don't think anythings been made better by Mekon.
But... Slapp's - how long is it till these shares actually pay out - and what do you think we would be missing out on annually? How lucrative are they?
Either way I would not buy town if I won the lotto!
I wish it would be outed, the truth that is - but like I've said on the past there would be something else to linger on even if we do find out ALL the answers.. Either way I don't think we are unique as fans, but its a poor do that there is so much animosity toward the board and feverish analysis of the figures.
I don't know ANY footy fan of other teams who has the same interest in the business side, if the teams good - ACE, if not SHIT. And they aren't looking for excuses.... I am so jealous.
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Post by terrier67 on Jan 8, 2008 13:27:57 GMT 1
To say the thread is called FAO Sean Jarvis, I think he's the only one who has not replied! Whilst we're bickering amongst ourselves, don't you think this gives Mr Jarvis will be chuckling to himself and the next we will hear is that any dissention in the ranks is just from a "minority" because we simply can't agree with each other on what we don't like about the club. What was the old motto - divide and conquer - he's doing a pretty good job of that at the moment whether he knows it or not.
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Post by Rigodon on Jan 8, 2008 13:44:52 GMT 1
Very very Good point..
I personally do not think 1000 is a majority and if they don't all agree....
Definatley not. Perhaps a more concerted effort from those on here, to go through FFA for a full Q & A session - get it all off the chests and try and put some things to bed.. Its been done before!!
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Post by smj1 on Jan 8, 2008 14:57:21 GMT 1
Afternoon
I have just broken off what I am doing to have a quick look.
Firstly thanks to all supporters that emailed me - much appreciated.
Secondly for clarity, I do occassionaly take a look at the messageboard. The reason being it is a good area to see what supporters are debating - there surely is no harm in that?
As mentioned it is difficult to log on, read and reply to comments and questions. When I logo on its usually for a say 10 minutes to gauge opinions etc. For example I logged on when we announced the Gillingham initiative to see the reaction.
As for my original post - there was no hidden agenda just simply that a moderator had asked me to look at the site. Simple as.
With regards to the Big Screen, I am due to meet with Ralph Rimmer and discuss this with him in terms of costings and how we (HT) can generate revenue from it. At this stage costings have been supplied to KSDL and that is as far as it goes. the meeting has not taken place yet and am sure that there will be several discussions but I am certain it will be fair for all parties.
One of the reasons also for the delay (nothing to do with Giants season) is that I potentially have a further compnay interested in buying a screen. And if i can get them to committ we then of course would be able to try and get it cheaper.
There is still a long way to go on this project but I'll try and keep you infomred as best I can.
As for timing of the message on the board - as mentioned I came on when I had chance. I would say that like most fans I was of course elated at the victory over Brum and that's great. But my concern is the commercial arm of Town.
Not sure what more to say at this stage?
Cheers
Sean
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Post by Rigodon on Jan 8, 2008 15:11:20 GMT 1
Ask and ye shall find... I would like to personally thank you sean for showing an interest in this messageboard, as you did the last, and am sure you can decipher what the "majority" think and feel and what is simply an idiot with a keyboard. Having previously sold advertising space for a local professional football club, I am fully aware that this can be a lucrative revenue stream for us. If the teams doing well... People like to be associated with success - unless your a town fan!  |
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Post by panasonicgeese on Jan 8, 2008 15:17:01 GMT 1
Good response by Mr. Jarvis and very blunt in content. Hopefully those who don't seem happy will acknowledge your efforts.
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Post by Polish Hippy on Jan 8, 2008 15:17:28 GMT 1
Interaction is appreciated Sean, I don't expect you to be replying to stuff on here every day and given the recent changes to posting rules on here ;D finding stuff worth reading will now take up more of your time than before. Some of us are always going to be sceptical but I'd like to think most of us who will always maintain a certain degree of scepticism can do so without resorting to insults a minority seem to think is their right when replying to you. I hope you continue to post even in times when there is less of a feel good factor.  |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 8, 2008 15:24:20 GMT 1
Sean. you're implying the advertising revenue the new screen will generate will go to HTFC? Does Ken know?
Isn't it the case with pitchside advertising that HTFC merely pass on the revenue to KSDL? That was how Davy explained how our rent bill increased so dramatically after he took over I believe.
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Post by Dell12 on Jan 8, 2008 15:32:22 GMT 1
Thanks, is there any way moderators could get Ken Davy to come and have a look at the board too? While Sean Jarvis's input is certainly welcome, but as he's only the commerical arm of Town his imput is certainly limited. The analagy was made on here earlier. Its like blaming a train driver for railtracks failings. Theres certain questions he cannot answer. Surely Andrew Watson (the director of communications?) should really be loooking at this board too?
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Post by terrier67 on Jan 8, 2008 15:33:38 GMT 1
not sure he means just HTFC to benefit, but may mean HTFC as part of the bigger picture. At least we would benefit for a change.
Thanks to Mr Jarvis by the way - it can't be easy to come on here and read some of the comments made about himself. Hopefully we can get mutual benefit and start tackling some of the central issues as well as the peripheral ones along the way.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2008 18:00:35 GMT 1
I see banjo hasn't showed his face yet ;D
His 'REAL QUESTIONS' obviously arent that important after all!
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Post by Admin on Jan 8, 2008 18:18:59 GMT 1
I see banjo hasn't showed his face yet ;D His 'REAL QUESTIONS' obviously arent that important after all! Probably snapped his banjo string ;D |
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