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Post by Chips Longhorn on Oct 23, 2014 22:04:14 GMT 1
Did anyone watch the Lance Armstrong documentary? The denial and covering up from himself and from inside the sport went on for years. I do feel that the tide has finally turned on VIPs and celebrities getting away with things. He didnt just deny it... He looked in the eyes of cancer victims and vehemently denied it. He sued the ass off people who said it was true ... He is a one off Lance Armstrong.. A master liar
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Post by dsr on Oct 24, 2014 0:40:20 GMT 1
I think what Galpharm is saying is this:
1. Any young female ought to be able to get herself completely drunk and head to a hotel room with a man she's never met before, take her clothes off, and get into bed, without that man or any of his friends taking advantage of her.
2. Just because she ought to be able to do that, doesn't mean it's a good idea.
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Post by Barbieterrier on Oct 24, 2014 8:01:30 GMT 1
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Oct 24, 2014 8:07:24 GMT 1
You appear to feel his guilty, it appears black and white to you no matter what. At the minute he is guilty, the law says that, but in your eyes will he be innocent if his appeal is successful or are you just pissed off with his attitude to women? Which I'll admit is reprehensible.
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Post by Barbieterrier on Oct 24, 2014 8:15:24 GMT 1
You appear to feel his guilty, it appears black and white to you no matter what. At the minute he is guilty, the law says that, but in your eyes will he be innocent if his appeal is successful or are you just pissed off with his attitude to women? Which I'll admit is reprehensible. His attitude towards women is a disgrace, not too sure i am too fussed about it, i am not the woman in his life. I always said i didn't really have an opinion on his guilt but the more i read the more i feel he is guilty- his attitude on release too makes me feel it more. But he was found guilty in court i accept that until he proves otherwise - good luck to him with that though.. getting a spare key to a room spending time with the lass, getting it filmed and escaping out of a fire escape all sounds a little dodge to me
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Oct 24, 2014 8:16:05 GMT 1
I wonder how much Nina Evans was paid by the sun
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 8:22:39 GMT 1
Good for her for having the decency to let her personal opinions be known. As for writing a book!!! now that is ill advised IMO and begs me to think his delusion and arrogance are far worse than I originally thought. What planet is this scumbag on?
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Post by lankystreak on Oct 24, 2014 8:51:30 GMT 1
I think what Galpharm is saying is this: 1. Any young female ought to be able to get herself completely drunk and head to a hotel room with a man she's never met before, take her clothes off, and get into bed, without that man or any of his friends taking advantage of her. 2. Just because she ought to be able to do that, doesn't mean it's a good idea. This is how I see Galpharms posts too, can't really understand why he is getting slaughtered for it. As I have mentioned before, I got caught up in one of these situations where both parties were leathered and a completely bogus allegation was made against me for the trivial reason that the woman involved didn't want to upset her friend, the police advice afterwards was along the lines of "maybe take it a bit easier on nights out and make better decisions", as the "victim" in that case I took their advice on board. Why is it so wrong to offer that advice when the tables are turned? And as for his Auntie, who cares what she thinks? ??
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Post by bro600 on Oct 24, 2014 8:55:21 GMT 1
You appear to feel his guilty, it appears black and white to you no matter what. At the minute he is guilty, the law says that, but in your eyes will he be innocent if his appeal is successful or are you just pissed off with his attitude to women? Which I'll admit is reprehensible. His attitude towards women is a disgrace, not too sure i am too fussed about it, i am not the woman in his life. I always said i didn't really have an opinion on his guilt but the more i read the more i feel he is guilty- his attitude on release too makes me feel it more. But he was found guilty in court i accept that until he proves otherwise - good luck to him with that though.. getting a spare key to a room spending time with the lass, getting it filmed and escaping out of a fire escape all sounds a little dodge to me Having read the details of what happened that night and knowing that 12 members of a jury found him guilty of rape isn't that black and white enough Arterrier? He won't be innocent even if he does get a successful appeal he would have just muddied the water enough for someone to doubt his conviction the same as pistorius and O.J Simpson... What woman wouldn't "just" be pissed off with Ched Evans's attitude to women?
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Post by bro600 on Oct 24, 2014 8:59:41 GMT 1
I think what Galpharm is saying is this: 1. Any young female ought to be able to get herself completely drunk and head to a hotel room with a man she's never met before, take her clothes off, and get into bed, without that man or any of his friends taking advantage of her. 2. Just because she ought to be able to do that, doesn't mean it's a good idea. This is how I see Galpharms posts too, can't really understand why he is getting slaughtered for it. As I have mentioned before, I got caught up in one of these situations where both parties were leathered and a completely bogus allegation was made against me for the trivial reason that the woman involved didn't want to upset her friend, the police advice afterwards was along the lines of "maybe take it a bit easier on nights out and make better decisions", as the "victim" in that case I took their advice on board. Why is it so wrong to offer that advice when the tables are turned? And as for his Auntie, who cares what she thinks? ?? Both parties were not leathered in the original post Galpharm 2400 started with though? Ched Evans hardly staggered into the Hotel did he?
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Post by Barbieterrier on Oct 24, 2014 9:02:10 GMT 1
Having read the details of what happened that night and knowing that 12 members of a jury found him guilty of rape isn't that black and white enough Arterrier? He won't be innocent even if he does get a successful appeal he would have just muddied the water enough for someone to doubt his conviction the same as pistorius and O.J Simpson... What woman wouldn't "just" be pissed off with Ched Evans's attitude to women? Think if i got p*ssed off with some male attitudes on women i wouldnt be able to stand match day or be on this forum. The good massively outweigh the bad though.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 9:27:46 GMT 1
I think what Galpharm is saying is this: 1. Any young female ought to be able to get herself completely drunk and head to a hotel room with a man she's never met before, take her clothes off, and get into bed, without that man or any of his friends taking advantage of her. 2. Just because she ought to be able to do that, doesn't mean it's a good idea. This is how I see Galpharms posts too, can't really understand why he is getting slaughtered for it. As I have mentioned before, I got caught up in one of these situations where both parties were leathered and a completely bogus allegation was made against me for the trivial reason that the woman involved didn't want to upset her friend, the police advice afterwards was along the lines of "maybe take it a bit easier on nights out and make better decisions", as the "victim" in that case I took their advice on board. Why is it so wrong to offer that advice when the tables are turned? And as for his Auntie, who cares what she thinks? ?? Is the allegation against Evans 'bogus' then?
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Post by jasonhand on Oct 24, 2014 9:29:18 GMT 1
There would appear to be a few people on her who see this as a kind of drunken fling, but for me this is way beyond that.
For me Evans and his fellow scumbag clearly preyed on woman in the hope of getting a threesome. His mate picked up the lady in question and she seemed happy enough to go back to the hotel room with HIM. His mate then text Evan saying "Got a bird mate" which was code for get yourself back to the hotel room and fill your boots. The lady had no clue this was the arrangement. Evans then got the key to the room in whatever way he could and then had sex with the lady and she was not in the position to say no. Evans then sneaks out of the hotel via the fire escape.
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Post by lochnessterrier on Oct 24, 2014 9:46:11 GMT 1
You appear to feel his guilty, it appears black and white to you no matter what. At the minute he is guilty, the law says that, but in your eyes will he be innocent if his appeal is successful or are you just pissed off with his attitude to women? Which I'll admit is reprehensible. His attitude towards women is a disgrace, not too sure i am too fussed about it, i am not the woman in his life. I always said i didn't really have an opinion on his guilt but the more i read the more i feel he is guilty- his attitude on release too makes me feel it more. But he was found guilty in court i accept that until he proves otherwise - good luck to him with that though.. getting a spare key to a room spending time with the lass, getting it filmed and escaping out of a fire escape all sounds a little dodge to me I'm with you on this Barbie. At first I couldn't comprehend how Evans could be guilty if McDonald was innocent but the more I read the more I'm convinced of his guilt. You don't leave the building via a fire escape unless you've something to hide.
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Post by lankystreak on Oct 24, 2014 9:46:20 GMT 1
This is how I see Galpharms posts too, can't really understand why he is getting slaughtered for it. As I have mentioned before, I got caught up in one of these situations where both parties were leathered and a completely bogus allegation was made against me for the trivial reason that the woman involved didn't want to upset her friend, the police advice afterwards was along the lines of "maybe take it a bit easier on nights out and make better decisions", as the "victim" in that case I took their advice on board. Why is it so wrong to offer that advice when the tables are turned? And as for his Auntie, who cares what she thinks? ?? Is the allegation against Evans 'bogus' then?I never stated or implied that it was. I used that wording to state that my case was black and white and the only person who got arrested (i did get questioned and would have been arrested if the police had found me before they found cctv footage of the woman paying for our hotel room when I had allegedly raped her down a back alley) was the woman who made the false allegation. It seems that certain people on this thread have a particular viewpoint on this and pick and choose what sections of posts they reply to to best fit their cause as opposed to engaging in a proper discussion. I have to be honest and say I entered this discussion thinking that the case stank to high heaven to be honest, however having read certain posters takes on the case and having read up on it more myself I am leaning more towards the fact that Ched Evans is a rapist (I would however still like to see a full appeal with the supposedly new evidence that his team have found), it would seem that some posters have a fixed view on this and cannot read and see what other people are saying on the thread who see things from a different viewpoint. I am also a bit sick of reading how "any woman" would be disgusted by his behaviour, ANYONE regardless of their sex would be disgusted by his behaviour.
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Post by bro600 on Oct 24, 2014 9:54:59 GMT 1
Is the allegation against Evans 'bogus' then? I never stated or implied that it was. I used that wording to state that my case was black and white and the only person who got arrested (i did get questioned and would have been arrested if the police had found me before they found cctv footage of the woman paying for our hotel room when I had allegedly raped her down a back alley) was the woman who made the false allegation. It seems that certain people on this thread have a particular viewpoint on this and pick and choose what sections of posts they reply to to best fit their cause as opposed to engaging in a proper discussion. I have to be honest and say I entered this discussion thinking that the case stank to high heaven to be honest, however having read certain posters takes on the case and having read up on it more myself I am leaning more towards the fact that Ched Evans is a rapist (I would however still like to see a full appeal with the supposedly new evidence that his team have found), it would seem that some posters have a fixed view on this and cannot read and see what other people are saying on the thread who see things from a different viewpoint. I am also a bit sick of reading how "any woman" would be disgusted by his behaviour, ANYONE regardless of their sex would be disgusted by his behaviour. Sorry to hear about your experience Lanky. If i'm reading this right then i think the laws of this land should have an offence that makes the woman guilty of accusing you.. I think Galpharm 2400 as wandered off on a tangent far too often from his O.P and in doing so causes his own problems..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 10:01:17 GMT 1
This individual's outlook on life gets worse.IMO .He now has been bleating thst he and his girlfriend are unable to go on holiday because of restrictions placed on him.Jeez talk about priorities.
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Post by Barbieterrier on Oct 24, 2014 10:05:05 GMT 1
I never stated or implied that it was. I used that wording to state that my case was black and white and the only person who got arrested (i did get questioned and would have been arrested if the police had found me before they found cctv footage of the woman paying for our hotel room when I had allegedly raped her down a back alley) was the woman who made the false allegation. It seems that certain people on this thread have a particular viewpoint on this and pick and choose what sections of posts they reply to to best fit their cause as opposed to engaging in a proper discussion. I have to be honest and say I entered this discussion thinking that the case stank to high heaven to be honest, however having read certain posters takes on the case and having read up on it more myself I am leaning more towards the fact that Ched Evans is a rapist (I would however still like to see a full appeal with the supposedly new evidence that his team have found), it would seem that some posters have a fixed view on this and cannot read and see what other people are saying on the thread who see things from a different viewpoint. I am also a bit sick of reading how "any woman" would be disgusted by his behaviour, ANYONE regardless of their sex would be disgusted by his behaviour. Sorry to hear about your experience Lanky. If i'm reading this right then i think the laws of this land should have an offence that makes the woman guilty of accusing you.. I think Galpharm 2400 as wandered off on a tangent far too often from his O.P and in doing so causes his own problems.. I completely agree here and feel deeply saddened to hear about such experiences. Nobody should be falsely accused like this and have to go through that.
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Post by Barbieterrier on Oct 24, 2014 10:19:36 GMT 1
This individual's outlook on life gets worse.IMO .He now has been bleating thst he and his girlfriend are unable to go on holiday because of restrictions placed on him.Jeez talk about priorities. Maybe he really honestly just doesnt understand then? Or is that me being too nice and naive? I get accused of this a bit
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Post by lankystreak on Oct 24, 2014 10:21:49 GMT 1
I never stated or implied that it was. I used that wording to state that my case was black and white and the only person who got arrested (i did get questioned and would have been arrested if the police had found me before they found cctv footage of the woman paying for our hotel room when I had allegedly raped her down a back alley) was the woman who made the false allegation. It seems that certain people on this thread have a particular viewpoint on this and pick and choose what sections of posts they reply to to best fit their cause as opposed to engaging in a proper discussion. I have to be honest and say I entered this discussion thinking that the case stank to high heaven to be honest, however having read certain posters takes on the case and having read up on it more myself I am leaning more towards the fact that Ched Evans is a rapist (I would however still like to see a full appeal with the supposedly new evidence that his team have found), it would seem that some posters have a fixed view on this and cannot read and see what other people are saying on the thread who see things from a different viewpoint. I am also a bit sick of reading how "any woman" would be disgusted by his behaviour, ANYONE regardless of their sex would be disgusted by his behaviour. Sorry to hear about your experience Lanky. If i'm reading this right then i think the laws of this land should have an offence that makes the woman guilty of accusing you..I think Galpharm 2400 as wandered off on a tangent far too often from his O.P and in doing so causes his own problems.. Laws are in place for this, however, the CPS chose not to proceed with mine because they felt it could put genuine victims off coming forward to the police even though this was a black and white case of a completely false allegation, this attitude disgusted the 2 detectives who had been working on the case and advised me it had cost over £30,000 to pursue (over £10,000 alone on a full forensic search of the "crime" scen). Fortunately they did arrest her for wasting police time or something (i'm unsure exactly what it was and she did spend time in the cells), this was very important to me as otherwise to her friends and family no doubt the tale would simply have been there wasn't enough evidence to bring the case to court and I would still in theory be her "rapist". My whole situation could have been avoided by lack of drink on both parts, that is why I understand where Galpharm is coming from.
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Post by ram on Oct 24, 2014 10:23:02 GMT 1
He is thinking of writing a book? About what? A 10 minute incident? I suppose with his fan club growing by the minute, they will buy it! Only a fuckwit would do that.
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Post by jasonhand on Oct 24, 2014 10:24:17 GMT 1
This individual's outlook on life gets worse.IMO .He now has been bleating thst he and his girlfriend are unable to go on holiday because of restrictions placed on him.Jeez talk about priorities. Maybe he really honestly just doesnt understand then? Or is that me being too nice and naive? I get accused of this a bit He is playing the victim isn't he though!? Its almost he is trying to get some kind of public sympathy about being unable to go on holiday As I mentioned in regards to the video its all about himself. I believe he whole-heatedly thinks he is innocent and has done nothing wrong whatsoever. There is even no shame is there.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Oct 24, 2014 10:32:48 GMT 1
End of the day he got caught raping, I can imagine a lot of footballers doing this tbh! End of the day a couple of footballers have got away with murder so nothing surprises me! It's ok for the girl to have sex with a footballer but not the whole team!
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Post by Barbieterrier on Oct 24, 2014 10:36:02 GMT 1
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Post by teddytheterrier on Oct 24, 2014 10:37:10 GMT 1
Why is he writing a book? What will it be called 'Ched: My Story' or 'I didn't do it' the guy has done fuck all in football other than score a load of goals in league one for Sheffield United! The fact that he's rapped someone has made him a house hold name!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 10:42:12 GMT 1
I think IMO the more discerning fans would agree with you be they male or female.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Oct 24, 2014 10:45:41 GMT 1
When he went to Sheffield at first he was garbage .. I think he cost em 4.million . Wasn't there something about him being errant then ? Maybe got a conviction for something ? I remember at that time him very much being described as a bad boy .. he seemed to pull it round on the pitch . That may have been to do with the drop to the easier pickings of league one though
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Post by Barbieterrier on Oct 24, 2014 12:34:09 GMT 1
When he went to Sheffield at first he was garbage .. I think he cost em 4.million . Wasn't there something about him being errant then ? Maybe got a conviction for something ? I remember at that time him very much being described as a bad boy .. he seemed to pull it round on the pitch . That may have been to do with the drop to the easier pickings of league one though Daily Mail (i know!) are running a story about him shooting someone in the leg with some sort of gun and paying the guy off with 10k so as not to get into bother, don't know if that's what you are thinking of here.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Oct 24, 2014 12:36:43 GMT 1
I know summat happened a few yeas ago... Doesn't have any bearing on the rape case mind
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2014 13:20:48 GMT 1
My main thought on this is that anyone having enough faith in the courts to believe that he is guilty cannot really have a problem with what he does upon his release as the same authority has deemed him fit to be back in society.
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