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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2014 19:49:44 GMT 1
Can't be bothered reading all the posts on this thread but Rooney winning 100 caps says everything that is wrong with English football. He is a good footballer but compared with the other "centurians" like Bobby Moore he is a minnow, An average footballer at International level.. Bollox. He's our best and most consistent performer.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Nov 15, 2014 20:34:11 GMT 1
Can't be bothered reading all the posts on this thread but Rooney winning 100 caps says everything that is wrong with English football. He is a good footballer but compared with the other "centurians" like Bobby Moore he is a minnow, An average footballer at International level.. Bollox. He's our best and most consistent performer. Is he hell, I fell asleep in first Arfield at punk, middle aged Shreks hair transplant, shirte Middle aged hair transplant predictable krug
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2014 20:43:43 GMT 1
Bollox. He's our best and most consistent performer. Is he hell, I fell asleep in first Arfield at punk, middle aged Shreks hair transplant, shirte Middle aged hair transplant predictable krug What?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2014 20:54:12 GMT 1
Bollox. He's our best and most consistent performer. Is he hell, I fell asleep in first Arfield at punk, middle aged Shreks hair transplant, shirte Middle aged hair transplant predictable krug Nick's been on the Stella again.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Nov 15, 2014 20:58:50 GMT 1
Rooney is not any whey to near legend, big fat shrek
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Nov 15, 2014 20:59:18 GMT 1
Rooney is not any whey to near legend, big fat shrek
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2014 21:12:02 GMT 1
Rooney scores 44 goals in 100 games. Nick scores 8,000 own goals in 8,103 posts.
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Post by Marco4 on Nov 15, 2014 21:15:17 GMT 1
I stayed awake until the third Arfield.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Nov 15, 2014 21:18:08 GMT 1
England will never get near winning owt in next 30 years, struggled like fuk against Slovenia.
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Nov 15, 2014 21:19:51 GMT 1
Rooney is not any whey to near legend, big fat shrek If Rooney is Shrek are you a Troll
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Nov 15, 2014 21:21:25 GMT 1
Rooney is not any whey to near legend, big fat shrek If Rooney is Shrek are you a Troll
I'm just a sad Old git
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Nov 15, 2014 21:23:20 GMT 1
If Rooney is Shrek are you a Troll
I'm just a sad Old git I wouldn't say sad
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Post by Stavros on Nov 16, 2014 0:09:09 GMT 1
Shilton was great at Nottingham Forest in the late seventies and presumably before that. (I don't go back that far). Being outjumped by a dwarf in 1986 should have signalled the end, but for some reason his reputation kept him in the team for four more years. Bobby Robson's biggest and most costly mistake. It was like watching a guy from the old folks home in that semi final against Germany. The deflected goal he never left the ground. You couldn't have got a cigarette paper between his feet and the ground. As for the penalties, it is literally the worst goalkeeping performance in a shoot out in the history of the game. In all five cases the ball had hit the net before he even twitched (which is all he did). If they'd have just hit one down the middle you never know, but no chance other than that. He may as well have been paralysed from the neck down. Chris Woods was pretty good too, that's the shame of it all. Don't agree with a single word of this at all. Especially the bit about the worst keeping performance in a shoot out. That accolade in an England shirt belongs to David James in 2004 for a countless number of pathetic sloth drops to the wrong way. Obviously as good at reading penalties as he is accounting. I watched your clip and I note with interest that David James actually moved during the shootout. To me that automatically puts him in front of Shilton in 1990 as he didn't move an inch. Which other bits do you disagree with? The bit where he got out jumped by a 3.6 feet dwarf?
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Nov 16, 2014 3:00:29 GMT 1
Rooney is 100% an England legend. Played though many tournaments barely fit, has done everything possible to make his England legacy as good as it could (or can) be. Regardless of whether I like him as a person or not, he is one of the best to ever put on the white jersey. We've won one world cup, nothing else. Most England legends have won nowt. Very strange player Rooney. Absolutely no doubt about his commitment to the team. Not sure I've ever seen any player work harder on the pitch in England's cause. He has probably spread himself too thinly. Was technically brilliant as a youngster and also had great vision and the strength of an ox. However, he has actually got worse with age. His pace over a short distance seems to have gone, and his touch. Also a bit weird that after100 caps still not 100% sure of his best position.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Nov 16, 2014 8:49:05 GMT 1
Rooney is sooo over rated, should be dropped now, so boring.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2014 11:41:07 GMT 1
Rooney is sooo over rated, should be dropped now, so boring. For who, Nick? You posted countless times on this thread and not once been able to outline why you think he's a poor player. It's all been references to him looking like Shrek, being over weight and having a hair transplant. I thought you were a grown man? Either way, you're liable to have completely changed your mind by the next game, so what does it matter.
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Post by 3Pipe on Nov 16, 2014 11:48:37 GMT 1
Never seen a player swing from world class to pub player as much as Rooney. On a bad day his first touch can be akin to a clearance. On a good day he can run the show and do things only the best can do. He can be shocking or he can be excellent. No doubting his workrate though. I've seen him play poorly and still offer so much to the team to the extent you wouldn't want him dropped.
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Post by griffa on Nov 16, 2014 11:51:32 GMT 1
Shilton was a great goalkeeper, who should have retired from England, ten years earlier than he did, good examples - being out jumped by Maradona & being so old in the Italian World Cup, that he couldn't even dive for a ball. Should have been put out to grass by Bobby Robson. Rooney looked like a world class player in his earlier England career, but has not maintained that high standard of performance for England. Still a good player, works hard but perhaps Gary Neville, was right with his comments re Wayne Rooney's best year's being behind him. - UTT.
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Post by bristolterrier on Nov 16, 2014 13:55:35 GMT 1
Can't be bothered reading all the posts on this thread but Rooney winning 100 caps says everything that is wrong with English football. He is a good footballer but compared with the other "centurians" like Bobby Moore he is a minnow, An average footballer at International level.. Bollox. He's our best and most consistent performer. I didn't say he wasn't did I? My point is that in the history of the English game Rooney is a minnow. For a start there are 11 players in 1966 that are true legends and didn't win plaudits scoring goals against the Faroe Islands and San Marino. He is probably the best English payer of what was called "The golden generation" that have won nothing.How many of the top 10 teams in the world would Rooney get in-not many.
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Post by Jello Biafra on Nov 16, 2014 21:23:14 GMT 1
Remind me why shilts cost us a final place in 1990? The german goal was a massive deflection off paul parker which flew over his head into the one place it would beat him- unlucky. He didn't save a pen I suppose, but not sure hes at fault for that. I think we should have brought Beasant on for the pens- he was a great keeper at facing pens. Because his legs had gone. Couldn't get off the deck on the deflection, which, by the way, went directly over his head and not 'in the one place it would beat him', and he did actually go the right way for every penalty. Unfortunately though, he'd already watched it fly past him and hit the net before making his mind up which way to dive. Bobby Robson stuck with him out of a sense of loyalty because he valued Shilton's experience more than his rapidly fading ability. Piss poor management not to bring on Woods prior to the pens.
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Post by mids on Nov 17, 2014 8:37:28 GMT 1
Bollox. He's our best and most consistent performer. Is he hell, I fell asleep in first Arfield at punk, middle aged Shreks hair transplant, shirte Middle aged hair transplant predictable krug36 hours later and we are all still awaiting an explanation as to what that gobbledygook actually means Nick!! ...and don't try palming us off with it supposedly being "Rooney is not any whey to near legend, big fat shrek"...even if you did post it twice
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Nov 17, 2014 9:32:25 GMT 1
It was possibly the most perplexing post I've ever read on here...l had to be placed in a straitjacket not to respond .. Nick you a true one off
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2014 10:23:32 GMT 1
I actually thought it was one of Nick's more sensible posts.
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 17, 2014 10:28:06 GMT 1
Remind me why shilts cost us a final place in 1990? The german goal was a massive deflection off paul parker which flew over his head into the one place it would beat him- unlucky. He didn't save a pen I suppose, but not sure hes at fault for that. I think we should have brought Beasant on for the pens- he was a great keeper at facing pens. Because his legs had gone. Couldn't get off the deck on the deflection, which, by the way, went directly over his head and not 'in the one place it would beat him', and he did actually go the right way for every penalty. Unfortunately though, he'd already watched it fly past him and hit the net before making his mind up which way to dive. Bobby Robson stuck with him out of a sense of loyalty because he valued Shilton's experience more than his rapidly fading ability. Piss poor management not to bring on Woods prior to the pens. His positioning was fine but it looped over his head and just under the bar- the one place it would have gone in. Unlucky- no fault of shilts. If we were bringing on a keeper for the pens, then Beasant would have been a far better choice than Woods. He had a cracking record against pens.
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 17, 2014 10:43:13 GMT 1
Bollox. He's our best and most consistent performer. I didn't say he wasn't did I? My point is that in the history of the English game Rooney is a minnow. For a start there are 11 players in 1966 that are true legends and didn't win plaudits scoring goals against the Faroe Islands and San Marino. He is probably the best English payer of what was called "The golden generation" that have won nothing.How many of the top 10 teams in the world would Rooney get in-not many. They're legends because they won something. It was a different game in a different time. That doesn't make them better players individually. The argument that Rooneys goal were against minnows whilst the likes of Linekar, Charlton or Greaves's goals weren't, is a big red herring too. Some author was a guest of Talksport recently who'd looked into that taking into account the rankings of the opposition at the time, and it isn't true. Like the other key players of the 'golden generation' ( a phrase only people wanting to knock them ever use , by the way) , such as gerrard, lampard, Owen, beckham, Campbell, terry, Ferdinand, A Cole, Rooney, Scholes- in their prime how many of the top 10 teams in the world would want them in their side if they could sign them? ...pretty much ALL of them. Other minnows of the game who haven't won an international trophy- Ronaldo, Messi, Best, Dalglish, Shearer, Matthews, Zico, Riva, Cruyff, Zlattan, Giggs, etc etc etc etc etc etc
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Post by AndySk on Nov 17, 2014 12:20:58 GMT 1
Bollox. He's our best and most consistent performer. Is he hell, I fell asleep in first Arfield at punk, middle aged Shreks hair transplant, shirte Middle aged hair transplant predictable krug I used to follow about 35% of what you're banging on about but i don't have a scooby with any of it these days
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Post by bristolterrier on Nov 17, 2014 12:28:54 GMT 1
I didn't say he wasn't did I? My point is that in the history of the English game Rooney is a minnow. For a start there are 11 players in 1966 that are true legends and didn't win plaudits scoring goals against the Faroe Islands and San Marino. He is probably the best English payer of what was called "The golden generation" that have won nothing.How many of the top 10 teams in the world would Rooney get in-not many. They're legends because they won something. It was a different game in a different time. That doesn't make them better players individually. The argument that Rooneys goal were against minnows whilst the likes of Linekar, Charlton or Greaves's goals weren't, is a big red herring too. Some author was a guest of Talksport recently who'd looked into that taking into account the rankings of the opposition at the time, and it isn't true. Like the other key players of the 'golden generation' ( a phrase only people wanting to knock them ever use , by the way) , such as gerrard, lampard, Owen, beckham, Campbell, terry, Ferdinand, A Cole, Rooney, Scholes- in their prime how many of the top 10 teams in the world would want them in their side if they could sign them? ...pretty much ALL of them. Other minnows of the game who haven't won an international trophy- Ronaldo, Messi, Best, Dalglish, Shearer, Matthews, Zico, Riva, Cruyff, Zlattan, Giggs, etc etc etc etc etc etc It's all about opinions captain and at 55 years old I have seen dozens of English footballers that I consider better than Rooney. We will just have to agree to disagree.Roll on Saturday.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2014 12:37:34 GMT 1
It is only the poor standard of English players that make Rooney seem like a class apart. He is good in today's context, within our team and worth his place. I like that his effort can make up for a lack of real style. I agree with Nick he is quite krug and a bit shirte, probably..
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Post by Jello Biafra on Nov 17, 2014 15:10:09 GMT 1
Because his legs had gone. Couldn't get off the deck on the deflection, which, by the way, went directly over his head and not 'in the one place it would beat him', and he did actually go the right way for every penalty. Unfortunately though, he'd already watched it fly past him and hit the net before making his mind up which way to dive. Bobby Robson stuck with him out of a sense of loyalty because he valued Shilton's experience more than his rapidly fading ability. Piss poor management not to bring on Woods prior to the pens. His positioning was fine but it looped over his head and just under the bar- the one place it would have gone in. Unlucky- no fault of shilts. If we were bringing on a keeper for the pens, then Beasant would have been a far better choice than Woods. He had a cracking record against pens. Exactly. His legs had gone and he no longer had the spring/agility to get a hand on it. I do agree re: Beasant though. However, my 5 mins of googling failed to find out whether the whole squad was available on the bench back then. I guessed, on balance, that at that time then you'd have to name the subs and they'd be limited to about 5 - leaving Woods on the bench as the second choice? I'm happy to be corrected on that though.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Nov 17, 2014 16:05:44 GMT 1
It is only the poor standard of English players that make Rooney seem like a class apart. He is good in today's context, within our team and worth his place. I like that his effort can make up for a lack of real style. I agree with Nick he is quite krug and a bit shirte, probably.. Just think he's so average , never near legend status , I'd even say JV a is better when fit.
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