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Post by 3Pipe on Nov 23, 2014 12:00:05 GMT 1
hes an old man,why should he change,hes been on this earth a lot longer than the cnts who are moaning about it,i think older people should be given a bit of leeway,he may be a bit of a tit,but hes from an age when chinks were called chinks ect,,give older people a break they will all be dead soon,then all the silly younger twats with nowt better to do than whine about politicaly correct shite can have there own way,the world is turning into a right pansy puff place, the marshians will knock fuck out of us when they come,,,easilyAren't Marshians meant to be mellow? Only the pink ones.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 12:01:02 GMT 1
Don't have a problem with stereotyping Ted. Its the basis of so much humour. mother in laws are dragons, the French always , black guys are well hung, Yanks ( is that still pc?) are fat and stupid, Scots are tight , irish are thick, swedes are all sex maniacs, the spanish laze about in the sun all day, scousers are thieves etc etc The one I particularly like is that bald men are more virile! people get sick and tired of people being offended all the time. Theyve been coached to do so. Or theyve been coached to do so on someone else behalf. So jews have a stereotype of being successful profit driven businessmen? So what, theres elements of truth in that as there are in all stereotypes. Whelen's stupid to mention it knowing there will be so many waiting for the opportunity to be 'hurt' by his words, id agree with that. As for us white british males, maybe we should get on board with the delicate flowers? Next time I see Monty Pythons 4 Yorkshiremen sketch, stereotyping all yorkshiremen as brash, pompous, bullshitting loud mouths, Im going to be deeply offended from now on. But of course being white british male, there won't be anyone even thinking about being offended on our behalf, so we may be on our own on that one. Am scouring the history books for evidence of Yorkshiremen being sent to the gas chambers for being Yorkshire. Definitely with you re bald guys though. Bald is beautiful The harrying of the North in the winter of 1069 was pretty bad. Mass slaughter and cannibalism. It's certainly a while ago though, and we've burnt Jews at York more recently...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 12:02:08 GMT 1
Nearly all the comedy in the US is made by Jewish producers/comedians and they use all the stereotypes.its a good thing to be able to laugh at yourself. My mates Irish and texts me the thick paddy jokes all the time.its a laugh that's all. Who stands up for gingers ..?? Always cast as geeks/virgins in the films. Calling a Jew tight has fuck all to do with hitler and the gas chambers its a joke stereotype.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 12:06:00 GMT 1
Nearly all the comedy in the US is made by Jewish producers/comedians and they use all the stereotypes.its a good thing to be able to laugh at yourself. My mates Irish and texts me the thick paddy jokes all the time.its a laugh that's all. Who stands up for gingers ..?? Always cast as geeks/virgins in the films. Calling a Jew tight has fuck all to do with hitler and the gas chambers its a joke stereotype. Is Guy Ritchie a racist for stereotyping Jews, blacks, Russians and Irish travellers in his films. ?
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Post by impact on Nov 23, 2014 12:14:03 GMT 1
Nearly all the comedy in the US is made by Jewish producers/comedians and they use all the stereotypes.its a good thing to be able to laugh at yourself. My mates Irish and texts me the thick paddy jokes all the time.its a laugh that's all. Who stands up for gingers ..?? Always cast as geeks/virgins in the films. Calling a Jew tight has fuck all to do with hitler and the gas chambers its a joke stereotype. Sadly a stereotype doesn't seem to exist anymore, it's now just racist. People have got the 2 words horrifically mixed up.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 12:21:07 GMT 1
Dave Whelans comments have no relevance to people dying in gas chambers Ted. If we want to be offended as Northerners just go back to the miners strike and we can involve that in any debate throw our arms in the air and start shouting about references of northern monkeys. The Jewish obsession with money was one of the stated rationales used by the Third Reich to seize their property and eventually execute them. Money-grubbing Jews were at fault for losing WW1 and then all the economic problems of Weimar. Racial epithets are one thing, but throwing around the same accusations that were once used as reasons to slaughter them is going to annoy them. The Board of Deputies goes apeshit when anyone even dares suggest Israel stop building settlements for five minutes.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Nov 23, 2014 12:22:13 GMT 1
What the fuck has this got to do with the BBC ? The BBC getting the blame for everything really gets on my tit ends That would be the BBC that dragged it up on Match of the Day with Lawrenson saying Whelan should resign and Jenas spouting off that it was wrong and taking football backwards. That would be the same BBC i saw 10 minutes ago that started an article on UKIP winning Rochester with the line "Anti-immigration party UKIP...." I never hear them say "Pro-immigration Labour party..." for example. The BBC have an agenda, they are a bunch of woollies. Again, a non-story used by the BBC to promulgate the political ideologies of it upper echelons.
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Post by 3Pipe on Nov 23, 2014 12:25:16 GMT 1
Sadly a stereotype doesn't seem to exist anymore, it's now just racist. People have got the 2 words horrifically mixed up. This!
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Nov 23, 2014 12:26:41 GMT 1
What the fuck has this got to do with the BBC ? The BBC getting the blame for everything really gets on my tit ends That would be the BBC that dragged it up on Match of the Day with Lawrenson saying Whelan should resign and Jenas spouting off that it was wrong and taking football backwards. That would be the same BBC i saw 10 minutes ago that started an article on UKIP winning Rochester with the line "Anti-immigration party UKIP...." I never hear them say "Pro-immigration Labour party..." for example. The BBC have an agenda, they are a bunch of woollies. Again, a non-story used by the BBC to promulgate the political ideologies of it upper echelons. The Whelan story is being debated on all news media unless I'm much mistaken
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Nov 23, 2014 12:28:08 GMT 1
Don't have a problem with stereotyping Ted. Its the basis of so much humour. mother in laws are dragons, the French always , black guys are well hung, Yanks ( is that still pc?) are fat and stupid, Scots are tight , irish are thick, swedes are all sex maniacs, the spanish laze about in the sun all day, scousers are thieves etc etc The one I particularly like is that bald men are more virile! people get sick and tired of people being offended all the time. Theyve been coached to do so. Or theyve been coached to do so on someone else behalf. So jews have a stereotype of being successful profit driven businessmen? So what, theres elements of truth in that as there are in all stereotypes. Whelen's stupid to mention it knowing there will be so many waiting for the opportunity to be 'hurt' by his words, id agree with that. As for us white british males, maybe we should get on board with the delicate flowers? Next time I see Monty Pythons 4 Yorkshiremen sketch, stereotyping all yorkshiremen as brash, pompous, bullshitting loud mouths, Im going to be deeply offended from now on. But of course being white british male, there won't be anyone even thinking about being offended on our behalf, so we may be on our own on that one. Am scouring the history books for evidence of Yorkshiremen being sent to the gas chambers for being Yorkshire. Definitely with you re bald guys though. Bald is beautiful There you go again with your PC nonsense. Bald is ugly, ever seen a new born baby!! I, on the other hand, know that a full head of hair with the lightest of mature grey is magnificent
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Nov 23, 2014 12:28:48 GMT 1
Whelan has put a possible dismiss clause in Malky Mackays contract, if the FA find him guilty of the texting incident.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 12:28:42 GMT 1
Dave Whelans comments have no relevance to people dying in gas chambers Ted. If we want to be offended as Northerners just go back to the miners strike and we can involve that in any debate throw our arms in the air and start shouting about references of northern monkeys. The Jewish obsession with money was one of the stated rationales used by the Third Reich to seize their property and eventually execute them. Money-grubbing Jews were at fault for losing WW1 and then all the economic problems of Weimar. Racial epithets are one thing, but throwing around the same accusations that were once used as reasons to slaughter them is going to annoy them. The Board of Deputies goes apeshit when anyone even dares suggest Israel stop building settlements for five minutes. But Dave Whelan will not have intended any connection to that in his comments, most people will be unaware of that particular piece of history. In the main, people will associate Jews and money with the way they are stereotyped in films as I've suggested in another thread, and that's where the roots of Whelans comments will lie.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Nov 23, 2014 12:29:50 GMT 1
Does anyone know how the Chinese describe us?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 12:36:17 GMT 1
The Jewish obsession with money was one of the stated rationales used by the Third Reich to seize their property and eventually execute them. Money-grubbing Jews were at fault for losing WW1 and then all the economic problems of Weimar. Racial epithets are one thing, but throwing around the same accusations that were once used as reasons to slaughter them is going to annoy them. The Board of Deputies goes apeshit when anyone even dares suggest Israel stop building settlements for five minutes. But Dave Whelan will not have intended any connection to that in his comments, most people will be unaware of that particular piece of history. In the main, people will associate Jews and money with the way they are stereotyped in films as I've suggested in another thread, and that's where the roots of Whelans comments will lie. I struggle to accept that people are unaware of the Holocaust. There's an old stereotype that Jews kill Christian children and use their blood in their Mitzvah bread. Is this ok to state in an interview to the press as well?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 12:38:49 GMT 1
Does anyone know how the Chinese describe us? Not very nicely, I would think. Having lived in the wrong side of Israel's territory, I'm also keenly aware that some Israeli Jews are the most racist people around. It still doesn't really affect a debate about our national discourse. Why use words that some people hate? It's just not very nice behaviour. Chink is a reference to their eyes by the way, not a contraction.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 12:39:57 GMT 1
Is it borat who goes into the Jewish b&b and thinks they are the devil? Piss funny and only a joke
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Nov 23, 2014 12:42:12 GMT 1
Does anyone know how the Chinese describe us? heroes
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 12:44:45 GMT 1
Is it borat who goes into the Jewish b&b and thinks they are the devil? Piss funny and only a joke Yes but could you imagine a non Jew doing it? He's really mocking anti semitism for being stupid, not mocking Jews. He did the same shtick mocking white boys who speak street when he did Ali G. Edit - in case it isn't clear Sacha Baron Cohen is Jewish.
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Post by 3Pipe on Nov 23, 2014 12:52:45 GMT 1
A Jew named Cohen? Surely thou jest?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 12:55:04 GMT 1
But Dave Whelan will not have intended any connection to that in his comments, most people will be unaware of that particular piece of history. In the main, people will associate Jews and money with the way they are stereotyped in films as I've suggested in another thread, and that's where the roots of Whelans comments will lie. I struggle to accept that people are unaware of the Holocaust. There's an old stereotype that Jews kill Christian children and use their blood in their Mitzvah bread. Is this ok to state in an interview to the press as well? Lets be clear, pretty much every educated adult in Britain will have heard of the holocaust, but the majority will not understand the details of why jews were killed in horrendous numbers. You clearly have a good knowledge and understanding of the history but most people don't. As I say, Whelan is not trying to make connections with Nazis and gas chambers with his comments.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 12:56:54 GMT 1
A Jew named Cohen? Surely thou jest? Amazing eh. He's always done this funny thing of having double edge jokes - I was at school when Ali G was big and loads of lads started copying his phrases... Even though his routine is taking the piss out of them for copying black affectations. Clever chap.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Nov 23, 2014 13:00:53 GMT 1
I struggle to accept that people are unaware of the Holocaust. There's an old stereotype that Jews kill Christian children and use their blood in their Mitzvah bread. Is this ok to state in an interview to the press as well? Lets be clear, pretty much every educated adult in Britain will have heard of the holocaust, but the majority will not understand the details of why jews were killed in horrendous numbers. You clearly have a good knowledge and understanding of the history but most people don't. As I say, Whelan is not trying to make connections with Nazis and gas chambers with his comments. Of course he isn't ... But he is perpetuating racial stereotype. Like if he had said " I don't think there is owt wrong with saying all them nig nogs love eating bananas " I don't see Whelan as a guy with any intrinsic malice towards Jews or Chinese . He's been a bit stupid IMO. But he's 78 and a lot of it is generational .
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 13:04:32 GMT 1
I struggle to accept that people are unaware of the Holocaust. There's an old stereotype that Jews kill Christian children and use their blood in their Mitzvah bread. Is this ok to state in an interview to the press as well? Lets be clear, pretty much every educated adult in Britain will have heard of the holocaust, but the majority will not understand the details of why jews were killed in horrendous numbers. You clearly have a good knowledge and understanding of the history but most people don't. As I say, Whelan is not trying to make connections with Nazis and gas chambers with his comments. I agree, he wasn't. But an awareness of why that old trope would piss off Jews doesn't call for a PhD in history. We had Jew lynchings by the blackshirts in this country within Whelan's lifetime. He's just a silly old man, and like a lot of successful men has a tendency to fervently believe in the rightness of his own views. He's just out of kilter with the social norms on this one. My grandfather used to tell me pakis were all lazy and didn't know what soap was - that wasn't controversial once either.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 13:04:49 GMT 1
Aren't Marshians meant to be mellow? Only the pink ones. I'll set 'em up.....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 13:06:40 GMT 1
I know he's Jewish,that's my point about laughing at yourself.but don't be surprised if others do the same.but see it as a joke nothing more.
The N word would most probably be forgotten if it wasn't used by black people so much.i no very few white people who would use it but see black people saying it all the time.
Calling a scots man tight and a jock doesn't mean you want them rounded up and gassed.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Nov 23, 2014 13:08:51 GMT 1
Lets be clear, pretty much every educated adult in Britain will have heard of the holocaust, but the majority will not understand the details of why jews were killed in horrendous numbers. You clearly have a good knowledge and understanding of the history but most people don't. As I say, Whelan is not trying to make connections with Nazis and gas chambers with his comments. I agree, he wasn't. But an awareness of why that old trope would piss off Jews doesn't call for a PhD in history. We had Jew lynchings by the blackshirts in this country within Whelan's lifetime. He's just a silly old man, and like a lot of successful men has a tendency to fervently believe in the rightness of his own views. He's just out of kilter with the social norms on this one. My grandfather used to tell me pakis were all lazy and didn't know what soap was - that wasn't controversial once either. This is so true ..... Reminds me of a poster on here.... Leads to the attitude of " if you investigate me as you would investigate anyone else ill throw my teddies out of the pram and quit"
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 13:10:31 GMT 1
Does anyone know how the Chinese describe us? Not very nicely, I would think. Having lived in the wrong side of Israel's territory, I'm also keenly aware that some Israeli Jews are the most racist people around. It still doesn't really affect a debate about our national discourse. Why use words that some people hate? It's just not very nice behaviour. Chink is a reference to their eyes by the way, not a contraction. Who's decided this then, because up until last week when I would quite happily and unwittingly ask the wife if she fancied a "chinky" for tea? I've being of the understanding that it was short for Chinese, that's the way I've always perceived it for the last 40 years, but it appears I am now wrong because somebody on the Chinese Peoples Leadership Council tells me so??
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 13:10:39 GMT 1
I know he's Jewish,that's my point about laughing at yourself.but don't be surprised if others do the same.but see it as a joke nothing more. The N word would most probably be forgotten if it wasn't used by black people so much.i no very few white people who would use it but see black people saying it all the time. Calling a scots man tight and a jock doesn't mean you want them rounded up and gassed. It's tricky. Why can insiders mock the group but outsiders can't? I think it's for the same reason I can call my sister a silly bitch but want to kill anyone else who says it.
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Post by 3Pipe on Nov 23, 2014 13:12:34 GMT 1
This is so true ..... Reminds me of a poster on here.... Leads to the attitude of " if you investigate me as you would investigate anyone else ill throw my teddies out of the pram and quit" Oooo, name and shame Ted, name and shame. My money's on Hilly.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2014 13:12:35 GMT 1
Life's to short to be spent offended by words.we have bigger problems than name calling
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