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Post by kaykie on Dec 21, 2014 14:43:52 GMT 1
To even mention Alan Lee in the same footballing sentence as holt for us is a joke.
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Dec 21, 2014 14:47:50 GMT 1
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Dec 21, 2014 14:47:50 GMT 1
Holt's role in that formation is to offer an outlet and hold up the ball. He did neither and was in the Brum defenders pocket
His performance was Alan Lee esk - just trying to con free kicks, pulling out of headers (the old jump too soon or run under the ball routines) or not even jumping at all. You know when a striker is giving his all, I grew up watching Boothy and Holt yesterday was useless and half hearted and anything but a target man
Personally I won't shed a tear when he leaves because for the money there are better and more interested strikers we can bring in
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Dec 21, 2014 14:49:28 GMT 1
Post by swam4mwg on Dec 21, 2014 14:49:28 GMT 1
I am often bemused by the tactics Town employ. I am getting on a bit now and find 'modern day football' often baffling. Holt hasn't been as good as he was when he first came, but he seems to spend more time out on the wing than up front lately. At times Town didn't actually have anyone upfront at certain times during the game. It is a very odd set up in my opinion.
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Dec 21, 2014 14:49:58 GMT 1
Post by Chips Longhorn on Dec 21, 2014 14:49:58 GMT 1
Holt's role in that formation is to offer an outlet and hold up the ball. He did neither and was in the Brum defenders pocket His performance was Alan Lee esk - just trying to con free kicks, pulling out of headers (the old jump too soon or run under the ball routines) or not even jumping at all. You know when a striker is giving his all, I grew up watching Boothy and Holt yesterday was useless and half hearted Personally I won't shed a tear when he leaves because for the money there are better and more interested strikers we can bring in Do you want to forward us some names ?
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Dec 21, 2014 14:50:55 GMT 1
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Post by AndySk on Dec 21, 2014 14:50:55 GMT 1
Doesn't look to be putting same effort in as when he joined. Hope its Vaughan and wells at roverum, as I was hoping would be the case yest but knew it wouldn't be The support he got yest from the midfield was shocking tho, especially at home against one of the poorer teams. Makes Powells lack of any early Subs even more baffling. Good to see us get back to having everyone just stand still and watch who ever was taking our throw ins without actually bothering to try and make some space. Hasn't been as bad recently so that was an added bonus
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Dec 21, 2014 14:56:39 GMT 1
Post by Chips Longhorn on Dec 21, 2014 14:56:39 GMT 1
Doesn't look to be putting same effort in as when he joined. Hope its Vaughan and wells at roverum, as I was hoping would be the case yest but knew it wouldn't be The support he got yest from the midfield was shocking tho, especially at home against one of the poorer teams. Makes Powells lack of any early Subs even more baffling. Good to see us get back to having everyone just stand still and watch who ever was taking our throw ins without actually bothering to try and make some space. Hasn't been as bad recently so that was an added bonus Is Vaughan ready to start a match though Andy ? Surely after all the false dawns he will only be started when the medics say its the time to do so
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Dec 21, 2014 14:57:11 GMT 1
Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Dec 21, 2014 14:57:11 GMT 1
Has to go for it now on Boxing Day. Bench Holt now, he's going back to pie eaters. Start with Jimmy V and Wells now or even ward who I don't rate at all. We need something dynamic now upfront,Holty has done ok but not in last few games. Surely the players will be ashamed of last two performances ?
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Dec 21, 2014 15:02:06 GMT 1
Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Dec 21, 2014 15:02:06 GMT 1
Vaughan's suspended for the Rotherham game (5 bookings in 6 appearances).
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Dec 21, 2014 15:03:44 GMT 1
Post by Chips Longhorn on Dec 21, 2014 15:03:44 GMT 1
Vaughan's suspended for the Rotherham game (5 bookings in 6 appearances). If that's the case in terms of minutes on the field that must be a world record.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Dec 21, 2014 15:07:37 GMT 1
Holt's role in that formation is to offer an outlet and hold up the ball. He did neither and was in the Brum defenders pocket His performance was Alan Lee esk - just trying to con free kicks, pulling out of headers (the old jump too soon or run under the ball routines) or not even jumping at all. You know when a striker is giving his all, I grew up watching Boothy and Holt yesterday was useless and half hearted Personally I won't shed a tear when he leaves because for the money there are better and more interested strikers we can bring in Do you want to forward us some names ? Strikers on c£30k a week - yeah that's about every striker outside the Premier League I know we won't be paying all that but still Holt will be on huge wages in Town terms and I would rather the club looked at up and comers like Callum Wilson, Andre Gray than a past it journeyman going through the motions trying to avoid injury before he returns to his parent club As we traded well in the summer (Deans words in the program) I'd like to think there's money in the kitty and I expect money will be free on the wage bill once Holt is gone Honestly if you have been impressed by Holt at Town I can only assume it's because of his reputation at Norwich
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Dec 21, 2014 15:15:25 GMT 1
Post by Chips Longhorn on Dec 21, 2014 15:15:25 GMT 1
Do you want to forward us some names ? Strikers on c£30k a week - yeah that's about every striker outside the Premier League I know we won't be paying all that but still Holt will be on huge wages in Town terms and I would rather the club looked at up and comers like Callum Wilson, Andre Gray than a past it journeyman going through the motions trying to avoid injury before he returns to his parent club As we traded well in the summer (Deans words in the program) I'd like to think there's money in the kitty and I expect money will be free on the wage bill once Holt is gone Honestly if you have been impressed by Holt at Town I can only assume it's because of his reputation at Norwich I didn't say anything about Holt.. I assumed that you knew your stuff as you seemed so confident in what you were saying....so asked who the names on your list were... Seems you don't have a list
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Dec 21, 2014 15:18:24 GMT 1
Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Dec 21, 2014 15:18:24 GMT 1
Vaughan's suspended for the Rotherham game (5 bookings in 6 appearances). Suspended , eh, he hasn't played yet ? Nnoooooooooo
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Dec 21, 2014 15:20:48 GMT 1
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Dec 21, 2014 15:20:48 GMT 1
Strikers on c£30k a week - yeah that's about every striker outside the Premier League I know we won't be paying all that but still Holt will be on huge wages in Town terms and I would rather the club looked at up and comers like Callum Wilson, Andre Gray than a past it journeyman going through the motions trying to avoid injury before he returns to his parent club As we traded well in the summer (Deans words in the program) I'd like to think there's money in the kitty and I expect money will be free on the wage bill once Holt is gone Honestly if you have been impressed by Holt at Town I can only assume it's because of his reputation at Norwich I didn't say anything about Holt.. I assumed that you knew your stuff as you seemed so confident in what you were saying....so asked who the names on your list were... Seems you don't have a list Of course I don't because I'm not a football scout What a daft comment
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Dec 21, 2014 15:27:38 GMT 1
Post by Chips Longhorn on Dec 21, 2014 15:27:38 GMT 1
I didn't say anything about Holt.. I assumed that you knew your stuff as you seemed so confident in what you were saying....so asked who the names on your list were... Seems you don't have a list Of course I don't because I'm not a football scout What a daft comment You said there are better and more I the rested strikers we could bring in...you were so certain in this assertion I assumed you would be able to back this up rather than it just be a wild claim Please forgive me for thinking you knew anything about football
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Dec 21, 2014 15:51:26 GMT 1
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Post by kaykie on Dec 21, 2014 15:51:26 GMT 1
Do you want to forward us some names ? Strikers on c£30k a week - yeah that's about every striker outside the Premier League I know we won't be paying all that but still Holt will be on huge wages in Town terms and I would rather the club looked at up and comers like Callum Wilson, Andre Gray than a past it journeyman going through the motions trying to avoid injury before he returns to his parent club As we traded well in the summer (Deans words in the program) I'd like to think there's money in the kitty and I expect money will be free on the wage bill once Holt is gone Honestly if you have been impressed by Holt at Town I can only assume it's because of his reputation at Norwich When holt came her everyone raved about how weve needed some1 like him for years,some1 clever who works hard and brings other people into games and now after a few bad games hes rubbish.
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Dec 21, 2014 15:58:05 GMT 1
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Dec 21, 2014 15:58:05 GMT 1
Of course I don't because I'm not a football scout What a daft comment You said there are better and more I the rested strikers we could bring in...you were so certain in this assertion I assumed you would be able to back this up rather than it just be a wild claim Please forgive me for thinking you knew anything about football You seem like you want argument/ prolonged debate and I'm going to spend my Sunday afternoon just before Christmas doing other things To sum, my opinion Holt is poor value for money, he won't be missed and I feel there are other strikers out there who could do as much as Holt has. I think it's a pretty moderate bar to be honest. I hope the club go for an up and comer and not another journeyman Names? I'm still not a scout Have a merry Christmas
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Dec 21, 2014 16:32:43 GMT 1
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Post by AndySk on Dec 21, 2014 16:32:43 GMT 1
Doesn't look to be putting same effort in as when he joined. Hope its Vaughan and wells at roverum, as I was hoping would be the case yest but knew it wouldn't be The support he got yest from the midfield was shocking tho, especially at home against one of the poorer teams. Makes Powells lack of any early Subs even more baffling. Good to see us get back to having everyone just stand still and watch who ever was taking our throw ins without actually bothering to try and make some space. Hasn't been as bad recently so that was an added bonus Is Vaughan ready to start a match though Andy ? Surely after all the false dawns he will only be started when the medics say its the time to do so Yeah that's always gonna be the problem with him. Been back a couple of weeks, think its time. Or would have been if he wasn't somehow suspended! Hows he managed that! Another problem with him, needless bookings. Once he gets suspended he never seems to string a run of games together again after. Bit different this time as he hasn't actually managed to play this season yet still suspended. Worra Wally.
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Dec 21, 2014 16:39:31 GMT 1
Post by rocky on Dec 21, 2014 16:39:31 GMT 1
Vaughan's suspended for the Rotherham game (5 bookings in 6 appearances). I wondered about that yesterday as he's had 5 cautions, but not sure what the cut off rules are. The FA website states it's 30 November for 5 bookings, but only up to 'step 4'. I'm not sure what 'step 4' is though! Whether he's suspended or not, his disciplinary record is just as bad as his injury record. He just seems to have no sense. Comes on, gets a rush of blood & is immediately booked. To have 5 bookings in 6 games, none of which he's completed is ridiculous. Some of the 6 games have just been for 10 minutes or so! He needs to show more professionalism. Town have been paying his wages all of the time he's been injured & it's totally irresponsible of him to get himself suspended just as he's getting back to fitness.
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Dec 21, 2014 17:05:27 GMT 1
Post by terrierfortythree on Dec 21, 2014 17:05:27 GMT 1
Vaughan's suspended for the Rotherham game (5 bookings in 6 appearances). i know he picked up his 5th yesterday but hasn't it passed the deadline for that to come into effect now? not sure myself?
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Dec 21, 2014 17:39:04 GMT 1
Post by Chips Longhorn on Dec 21, 2014 17:39:04 GMT 1
You said there are better and more I the rested strikers we could bring in...you were so certain in this assertion I assumed you would be able to back this up rather than it just be a wild claim Please forgive me for thinking you knew anything about football You seem like you want argument/ prolonged debate and I'm going to spend my Sunday afternoon just before Christmas doing other things To sum, my opinion Holt is poor value for money, he won't be missed and I feel there are other strikers out there who could do as much as Holt has. I think it's a pretty moderate bar to be honest. I hope the club go for an up and comer and not another journeyman Names? I'm still not a scout Have a merry Christmas Ok this isn't meant for you huddsterrier...I'm aware that you don't want to come on a football debating forum and debate. Indeed you have decided " prolonged debate" ( ie any valid questioning of your point ) is not for you and you have now found something better to do.... So I will address everyone..... If Holt isn't good enough or cares enough for the money we paid for his services. Question one ... What are we paying him ? Question two... Can you tell me other players who are better than him and will care more than him for the money... You'd really have to answer question one before moving onto two..... If you want to say " there are better than him but I can't name them obviously because I'm not a professional scout" then I will reply to you and you may get the hump just like huddsterrier has
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Dec 21, 2014 17:57:27 GMT 1
Post by galpharm2400 on Dec 21, 2014 17:57:27 GMT 1
Holt can do the job we brought him here to do.. unfortunately not totally on his own and again not when he is asked to take up the wide positions because our wide midfielders have been instructed to hold back. We therefore had Holt in their territory competing with 3/4 defenders and nobody making any great strides to get up with him. The very odd occasions we did get enough shirts forward we did cause one or two problems, holt should have scored and we did exert a wee bit of pressure towards the death.
blame Holt and Smithies or just pick a shirt number. The game was surrended before we kicked off and we were set up to try and sneak the points but one would do if not. Risky, very dull and ultimately proved costly and boring. no points, no interest from the support that turned out and worse still no chance of interesting anyone who might ever consider turning up to watch/support. Why pay silly money when you can watch very dull sunday league games for nothing. That was the standard served up yesterday purporting to be championship football. Its almost bordering on obtaining money by deception...
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Dec 21, 2014 18:18:16 GMT 1
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Post by mightyterrier on Dec 21, 2014 18:18:16 GMT 1
You seem like you want argument/ prolonged debate and I'm going to spend my Sunday afternoon just before Christmas doing other things To sum, my opinion Holt is poor value for money, he won't be missed and I feel there are other strikers out there who could do as much as Holt has. I think it's a pretty moderate bar to be honest. I hope the club go for an up and comer and not another journeyman Names? I'm still not a scout Have a merry Christmas Ok this isn't meant for you huddsterrier...I'm aware that you don't want to come on a football debating forum and debate. Indeed you have decided " prolonged debate" ( ie any valid questioning of your point ) is not for you and you have now found something better to do.... So I will address everyone..... If Holt isn't good enough or cares enough for the money we paid for his services. Question one ... What are we paying him ? Question two... Can you tell me other players who are better than him and will care more than him for the money... You'd really have to answer question one before moving onto two..... If you want to say " there are better than him but I can't name them obviously because I'm not a professional scout" then I will reply to you and you may get the hump just like huddsterrier has What's your opoinion on Holt Ted, just out of interest
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Post by Giggity on Dec 21, 2014 18:25:41 GMT 1
No point selecting him again. Give Vaughan or Ward a chance.
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Dec 21, 2014 18:31:34 GMT 1
Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Dec 21, 2014 18:31:34 GMT 1
Even Ward who I don't rate btw, surely he could play upfront and run about.
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Dec 21, 2014 18:36:35 GMT 1
Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2014 18:36:35 GMT 1
Vaughan's suspended for the Rotherham game (5 bookings in 6 appearances). If that's the case in terms of minutes on the field that must be a world record. A world record in stupidity, quite possibly.
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Dec 21, 2014 19:05:50 GMT 1
Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Dec 21, 2014 19:05:50 GMT 1
Vaughan's suspended for the Rotherham game (5 bookings in 6 appearances). i know he picked up his 5th yesterday but hasn't it passed the deadline for that to come into effect now? not sure myself? I can't think where it was but I'm sure I saw somewhere yesterday where it said he'd serve a one match ban. Fingers crossed that the I'm wrong and the deadline has passed.
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Dec 21, 2014 19:17:47 GMT 1
Post by galpharm2400 on Dec 21, 2014 19:17:47 GMT 1
ludicrous late challenge on the halfway line right next to the touchline. stupid, senseless and ultimately pointless. they would get a better return on his wages making him work in the club shop..
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Dec 21, 2014 20:24:20 GMT 1
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Dec 21, 2014 20:24:20 GMT 1
You seem like you want argument/ prolonged debate and I'm going to spend my Sunday afternoon just before Christmas doing other things To sum, my opinion Holt is poor value for money, he won't be missed and I feel there are other strikers out there who could do as much as Holt has. I think it's a pretty moderate bar to be honest. I hope the club go for an up and comer and not another journeyman Names? I'm still not a scout Have a merry Christmas Ok this isn't meant for you huddsterrier...I'm aware that you don't want to come on a football debating forum and debate. Indeed you have decided " prolonged debate" ( ie any valid questioning of your point ) is not for you and you have now found something better to do.... So I will address everyone..... If Holt isn't good enough or cares enough for the money we paid for his services. Question one ... What are we paying him ? Question two... Can you tell me other players who are better than him and will care more than him for the money... You'd really have to answer question one before moving onto two..... If you want to say " there are better than him but I can't name them obviously because I'm not a professional scout" then I will reply to you and you may get the hump just like huddsterrier has Not got the hump - why would I? Of course I'm happy to have a sensible debate on a forum and prepared to change/ tone down my view if someone presents a good counter argument. Truthfully I don't see anything of the like here though Ted? While you may think asking questiions only a scout or Holts accountant could answer to your satisfaction is clever I find it drool, predictable and churlish. It doesn't interest me "Do you know what we are paying him?" Seriously. Just yet another daft comment, we can all make a reasoned estimate but I can 90% predict where the debate will head if I did and well ... I can't be bothered doing the "well if you don't know the wages your opinion is wrong" thread. It's a bit boring and adds nothing other than wasting a bit of my weekend Finally, I actually wasn't taking the Micky when I said Merry Christmas. I'm not bothered by getting het up by someone I've never meet or are likely to so was leaving on pleasant note. It seems you took it as a slight. Happy to reply if you give a reason why you rate Holt and would continuing to push out the boat to keep him (which we surely all agree we are). You seem a fan of his, interested why?
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Dec 21, 2014 20:25:36 GMT 1
Ok this isn't meant for you huddsterrier...I'm aware that you don't want to come on a football debating forum and debate. Indeed you have decided " prolonged debate" ( ie any valid questioning of your point ) is not for you and you have now found something better to do.... So I will address everyone..... If Holt isn't good enough or cares enough for the money we paid for his services. Question one ... What are we paying him ? Question two... Can you tell me other players who are better than him and will care more than him for the money... You'd really have to answer question one before moving onto two..... If you want to say " there are better than him but I can't name them obviously because I'm not a professional scout" then I will reply to you and you may get the hump just like huddsterrier has What's your opoinion on Holt Ted, just out of interest I think he's been excellent . A little less excellent since finding out he's off back to Wigan .. But when we got him he was EXACTLY what we needed.. Given a thankless role mainly on his own up top... If we could secure him for the rest of the season I'd be happy, but maybe not beyond that.. Accusing him of basically not trying is a little harsh IMO
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Dec 21, 2014 20:30:29 GMT 1
Post by Chips Longhorn on Dec 21, 2014 20:30:29 GMT 1
Ok this isn't meant for you huddsterrier...I'm aware that you don't want to come on a football debating forum and debate. Indeed you have decided " prolonged debate" ( ie any valid questioning of your point ) is not for you and you have now found something better to do.... So I will address everyone..... If Holt isn't good enough or cares enough for the money we paid for his services. Question one ... What are we paying him ? Question two... Can you tell me other players who are better than him and will care more than him for the money... You'd really have to answer question one before moving onto two..... If you want to say " there are better than him but I can't name them obviously because I'm not a professional scout" then I will reply to you and you may get the hump just like huddsterrier has Not got the hump - why would I? Of course I'm happy to have a sensible debate on a forum and prepared to change/ tone down my view if someone presents a good counter argument. Truthfully I don't see anything of the like here though Ted? While you may think asking questiions only a scout or Holts accountant could answer to your satisfaction is clever I find it drool, predictable and churlish. It doesn't interest me "Do you know what we are paying him?" Seriously. Just yet another daft comment, we can all make a reasoned estimate but I can 90% predict where the debate will head if I did and well ... I can't be bother doing the "well if you don't know the wages you're opinion is wrong" thread. It's a bit boring and adds nothing other than wasting a bit of my weekend Finally, I actually wasn't taking the Micky when I said Merry Christmas. I'm not bothered by getting het up by someone I've never meet or are likely to so was leaving on pleasant note. It seems you took it as a slight. Happy to reply if you give a reason why you rate Holt and would continuing to push out the boat to keep him. You seem a fan of his, interested why? Mate you're taking me out of context .. You said we can get better... I asked. " ok if you think that then who ? " .. You see it as me spoiling for a fight .. I see it as me genuinely wondering who you had in mind ... And it was you who brought up money.,.. Ok if we are paying him 20 k per week I'm sure we could do better.. But we obviously aren't so surely judging whether he is value for money is surely futile without k owing what we are paying ? Happy xmas to you too it's not personal it's really not
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