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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 21:21:10 GMT 1
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Post by terrierneil on Feb 27, 2015 0:43:50 GMT 1
Nobody has ever died on the terraces of rugby league grounds such as headingley or odsal who have had occasional crowds of around 23,000 in fairly recent years. And that's proper old terracing not this modern version. AND that's with fans being able to swill beer throughout the game.
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Post by Porrohman on Feb 27, 2015 13:56:56 GMT 1
Nobody has ever died on the terraces of rugby league grounds such as headingley or odsal who have had occasional crowds of around 23,000 in fairly recent years. And that's proper old terracing not this modern version. AND that's with fans being able to swill beer throughout the game. Not even of boredom ? Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards
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Post by pieeater on Feb 27, 2015 14:56:39 GMT 1
Can someone clarify something about rail seating? Is the capacity of an area of rail seating exactly the same whether it's used in standing or seating mode? If so, I'm struggling to understand how it could be expected to lead to lower ticket prices.
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Post by benmsmith4 on Feb 27, 2015 15:06:24 GMT 1
Can someone clarify something about rail seating? Is the capacity of an area of rail seating exactly the same whether it's used in standing or seating mode? If so, I'm struggling to understand how it could be expected to lead to lower ticket prices. As far as I can tell when in 'standing mode' the capacity increases. It should, in theory, lead to lower ticket prices as currently you pay for your seat. Thus if you're not getting a seat, you're just paying to go in a certain area, and can therefore not be expected to pay as much.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 15:10:21 GMT 1
Can someone clarify something about rail seating? Is the capacity of an area of rail seating exactly the same whether it's used in standing or seating mode? If so, I'm struggling to understand how it could be expected to lead to lower ticket prices. I've read countless articles and haven't seen it ever say it will INCREASE capacities. Rail seating is basically 1 seat with a rail Infront. A row of 20 seats would be replaced with 20 rail seats that can be locked/unlocked. In terms of lowering ticket prices, the 'rail seat' itself won't lower prices. But, my theory is by allowing safe standing areas it will allow for fans to stand safely and create better atmospheres which will improve the match day experience and spectacle therefore encouraging more fans to come to football. That should mean that ticket prices COULD come down but would not mean it will. In Germany, the model works. That isn't an opinion, that's fact. And the football authorities need to accept that.
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Post by benmsmith4 on Feb 27, 2015 15:14:05 GMT 1
Can someone clarify something about rail seating? Is the capacity of an area of rail seating exactly the same whether it's used in standing or seating mode? If so, I'm struggling to understand how it could be expected to lead to lower ticket prices. I've read countless articles and haven't seen it ever say it will INCREASE capacities. Rail seating is basically 1 seat with a rail Infront. A row of 20 seats would be replaced with 20 rail seats that can be locked/unlocked. In terms of lowering ticket prices, the 'rail seat' itself won't lower prices. But, my theory is by allowing safe standing areas it will allow for fans to stand safely and create better atmospheres which will improve the match day experience and spectacle therefore encouraging more fans to come to football. That should mean that ticket prices COULD come down but would not mean it will. In Germany, the model works. That isn't an opinion, that's fact. And the football authorities need to accept that. Might be wrong but I'm pretty sure in Germany capacity increases and standing areas are cheaper than seated areas. I remember it being said that capacity is reduced in the Westfalenstadion for European games when they have to convert to being all-seated.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 15:18:48 GMT 1
I've read countless articles and haven't seen it ever say it will INCREASE capacities. Rail seating is basically 1 seat with a rail Infront. A row of 20 seats would be replaced with 20 rail seats that can be locked/unlocked. In terms of lowering ticket prices, the 'rail seat' itself won't lower prices. But, my theory is by allowing safe standing areas it will allow for fans to stand safely and create better atmospheres which will improve the match day experience and spectacle therefore encouraging more fans to come to football. That should mean that ticket prices COULD come down but would not mean it will. In Germany, the model works. That isn't an opinion, that's fact. And the football authorities need to accept that. Might be wrong but I'm pretty sure in Germany capacity increases and standing areas are cheaper than seated areas. I remember it being said that capacity is reduced in the Westfalenstadion for European games when they have to convert to being all-seated. I have read that from German football. But they don't follow UEFA rules completely. In champions league they have to lock the seats down to get the capacity in line with what UEFA demands in it's rules. Germany are a law of there own and don't follow UEFA like we and other countries do. Over here, the safe standing campaign from what I've read doesn't mention increasing capacities.
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Post by terrierneil on Feb 27, 2015 15:33:58 GMT 1
Nobody has ever died on the terraces of rugby league grounds such as headingley or odsal who have had occasional crowds of around 23,000 in fairly recent years. And that's proper old terracing not this modern version. AND that's with fans being able to swill beer throughout the game. Not even of boredom ? Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards I've never seen a rugby league game as boring as last Saturday's Town game tbf.
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Post by Terriers R Us on Mar 2, 2015 18:37:41 GMT 1
From what I've gathered, attendances can only rise if the stadium can support it, i.e. numbers of safety staff, how large the concourse is.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Mar 2, 2015 18:51:01 GMT 1
someone in parliament is going to have to put this forward and champion it..
nothing has gone badly wrong inside our stadia since the seats were put in..
someone is going to have their name/party all over a new motion or a tabled amendment and should anything go badly wrong etc???
still from someone who likes to stand at football..im on your side.. none of us are MPs and if we were we might well get told to tow the party line.. you might be allowed to make the right noises but not much else..
I hope im wrong but the hearings haven't even finished yet..
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Post by Terriers R Us on Mar 2, 2015 19:02:03 GMT 1
someone in parliament is going to have to put this forward and champion it.. nothing has gone badly wrong inside our stadia since the seats were put in.. someone is going to have their name/party all over a new motion or a tabled amendment and should anything go badly wrong etc??? still from someone who likes to stand at football..im on your side.. none of us are MPs and if we were we might well get told to tow the party line.. you might be allowed to make the right noises but not much else.. I hope im wrong but the hearings haven't even finished yet.. Also, if you've given football clubs a substantial amount of money to convert stadia into all seaters, would you be inclined to champion the reversal of it?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 20:30:51 GMT 1
From what I've gathered, attendances can only rise if the stadium can support it, i.e. numbers of safety staff, how large the concourse is. NSL are trying to get the safe standing banner for a home game this season. It's doing the rounds.
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Post by benmsmith4 on Mar 23, 2015 0:19:22 GMT 1
Just wondering what's happening with the MCFC banner? I had originally suggested to them that we could have it for the Ipswich game?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 7:32:35 GMT 1
Just wondering what's happening with the MCFC banner? I had originally suggested to them that we could have it for the Ipswich game? It was at Norwich on Saturday.
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Post by benmsmith4 on Mar 23, 2015 9:04:28 GMT 1
Just wondering what's happening with the MCFC banner? I had originally suggested to them that we could have it for the Ipswich game? It was at Norwich on Saturday. Aye but have we arranged to use it?
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Post by Cole on Mar 23, 2015 9:31:15 GMT 1
It was at Norwich on Saturday. Aye but have we arranged to use it? Not sure ben, don't think so. From their Twitter I can gather it's at Wembley, then Bristol.
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Post by benmsmith4 on Mar 23, 2015 15:50:14 GMT 1
Aye but have we arranged to use it? Not sure ben, don't think so. From their Twitter I can gather it's at Wembley, then Bristol. That's a shame. Would have been a good display, and a free one at that!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 15:58:26 GMT 1
Not sure ben, don't think so. From their Twitter I can gather it's at Wembley, then Bristol. That's a shame. Would have been a good display, and a free one at that! Because of the route it's been difficult to get hold of so will look into it next season.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2015 19:03:29 GMT 1
It would be great to get the banner for next time we are on the TV, whenever that might be.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2015 19:14:42 GMT 1
It would be great to get the banner for next time we are on the TV, whenever that might be. Likely to be next season then. We will get it eventually I'm sure. We are working on it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2015 10:38:32 GMT 1
All but 3 premier league clubs responded. Safe standing is gaining momentum. Interesting to see managers and chairman supporting safe standing. Hopefully a debate can be had, trials are needed.
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Post by benmsmith4 on Apr 6, 2015 11:18:38 GMT 1
ICYMI
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Post by Cole on Apr 6, 2015 11:23:34 GMT 1
And the world didn't blow up?
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Post by benmsmith4 on Apr 6, 2015 11:34:07 GMT 1
And the world didn't blow up? Surprisingly zero casualties! Who'd have thought it?
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Post by pete3200 on Apr 7, 2015 10:14:45 GMT 1
I liked the way Sheffield Wednesday let people at the back of the stand, stand up. You had a choice of sitting at the front and standing at the back. Maybe more grounds should look at this idea?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2015 10:55:50 GMT 1
God that looks dangerous.
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Post by Cole on Apr 7, 2015 11:32:19 GMT 1
I liked the way Sheffield Wednesday let people at the back of the stand, stand up. You had a choice of sitting at the front and standing at the back. Maybe more grounds should look at this idea? This seems the norm at every away game I've been to this year.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Apr 7, 2015 12:28:59 GMT 1
you are still supposed to sit for most of the time..if it goes tits up, the supporters are to blame.. easy get out...
they put signs up and if you ignore them you are at fault..
2 ways to go.. either put the signs up and make announcements or stop the game.. after legal advice they have stayed with the signs and the occasional announcement.. at least they wont have to pay out if there is another incident..
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2015 14:54:39 GMT 1
you are still supposed to sit for most of the time..if it goes tits up, the supporters are to blame.. easy get out... they put signs up and if you ignore them you are at fault.. 2 ways to go.. either put the signs up and make announcements or stop the game.. after legal advice they have stayed with the signs and the occasional announcement.. at least they wont have to pay out if there is another incident.. That's a grey area. Here is a copy and pasted some information from the FSF website regarding the laws on Safe Standing.
•Ever since the introduction of all-seater stadia, many supporters have continued to stand in front of their seats, often for the duration of the game. •It is widely believed that this practice is illegal. This is not the case, even within Premier League and Championship grounds. The law only provides that these clubs should provide seats for all supporters, not that supporters must sit on them. •The point is confirmed by the Department for Culture, Media and Sport: ‘At no point has it been argued that the individual spectator commits a criminal offence by standing in a seated area’ (source: Letter to Football Supporters’ Federation, 2008) •Standing in seated areas, is, however, contrary to ground regulations. For example, the Football League’s model set of ground regulations states: ‘Nobody may stand in any seating area whilst play is in progress. Persistent standing in seated areas whilst play is in progress is strictly forbidden and may result in ejection from the ground’. •It is notable that the two rules are contradictory, the first bars all ‘standing’, the second only ‘persistent standing’. In practice, standing to go to the toilet or snack bar and standing at ‘moments of excitement’ is permitted. The boundary between ‘moments of excitement’ and ‘persistent’ is rather grey and open to very wide interpretation. - See more at: www.fsf.org.uk/campaigns/safe-standing/the-legalities-of-standing/#sthash.t42XNFTJ.dpuf
I've highlighted the important bits, and it shows how the laws contradict. The fact remains that the current legislation is utter BS and that still to this day nobody can come up with 1 valid reason as to why safe standing cannot be at least trialled by any football club in the football or premier league.
Grow some balls.
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