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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 19:17:14 GMT 1
Nicked for having sex with a 15 year old.
Statutory rape on a par with Ched Evans or genuinely duped by a girl lying about her age?
A moral minefield.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Mar 2, 2015 19:19:10 GMT 1
Shouldn't this be in the "If you ever need proof that footballers are stupid" thread. Now that is a moral minefield.
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Post by 3Pipe on Mar 2, 2015 19:19:18 GMT 1
20 pager coming up.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 19:27:01 GMT 1
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Post by galpharm2400 on Mar 2, 2015 19:35:10 GMT 1
she may well not have lied.. if she looks/acts 17/18 or older and nobody thinks to tell him and it does not cross his mind to enquire...
the circumstances on this one have to be looked at very closely..
having daughters who continually wanted/acted and expected to be treated like adults from being about 14/15 I am aware of how difficult this situation could be.. I hope my advice at the time worked but I probably think luck and their own good sense was the real reason nothing crap happened..
as stated above, another minefield...
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Post by York Terrier on Mar 2, 2015 19:55:40 GMT 1
This is very very difficult to have an opinion on without enraging someone over public morality. A few years ago I think it was Graham Rix was sent to prison for a few years for having sex with a minor. This is the same minor who was in a night club at 2-00 in the morning ,the same minor who spent the night with him and then ran back to her parents to ell them what had happened.
These same now enraged and indignant parents then report him to the police and he is in trouble yet these same enraged parents don't appear to care that the same precious minor they are now protecting, was out in night clubs and sleeping around three years under age.
This is the double standards the man is exposed even if not guilty, the little temptress has to be protected
The simple answer ( may be deemed to be harsh) if the little temptress is in a night club acting and behaving like a 20 year old then the man has nothing to answer to, this is not male grooming this ( and I have not read the Sun article ) appears to be a honey trap that most single men of AJ age would fall into after a few drinks.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 2, 2015 20:01:54 GMT 1
This is very very difficult to have an opinion on without enraging someone over public morality. A few years ago I think it was Graham Rix was sent to prison for a few years for having sex with a minor. This is the same minor who was in a night club at 2-00 in the morning ,the same minor who spent the night with him and then ran back to her parents to ell them what had happened. These same now enraged and indignant parents then report him to the police and he is in trouble yet these same enraged parents don't appear to care that the same precious minor they are now protecting, was out in night clubs and sleeping around three years under age. This is the double standards the man is exposed even if not guilty, the little temptress has to be protected The simple answer ( may be deemed to be harsh) if the little temptress is in a night club acting and behaving like a 20 year old then the man has nothing to answer to, this is not male grooming this ( and I have not read the Sun article ) appears to be a honey trap that most single men of AJ age would fall into after a few drinks. The " little temptress" was a child and Rix, a man in his 40s, knew she was a child... Disgraceful post
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Mar 2, 2015 20:03:29 GMT 1
He hasn't been charged yet, let alone found guilty has he? We should all be careful what we say until the facts are revealed.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 2, 2015 20:04:32 GMT 1
He hasn't been charged yet, let alone found guilty has he? We should all be careful what we say until the facts are revealed. Yup .. A lot of gun jumping
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 2, 2015 20:06:43 GMT 1
I always ask for proof of age....to be honest what's a bloke supposed to do ask for a bloody birth certificate. He's been a bit daft has the lad, although I'm not sure the details of the case.
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Post by Derby Blue on Mar 2, 2015 20:09:39 GMT 1
He hasn't been charged yet, let alone found guilty has he? We should all be careful what we say until the facts are revealed. Agreed, his name shouldn't even have been released in my opinion. Now he will always be regarded as a paedophile/rapist now matter what the outcome is. Innocent until proven guilty and all that.
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Post by York Terrier on Mar 2, 2015 20:09:46 GMT 1
This is very very difficult to have an opinion on without enraging someone over public morality. A few years ago I think it was Graham Rix was sent to prison for a few years for having sex with a minor. This is the same minor who was in a night club at 2-00 in the morning ,the same minor who spent the night with him and then ran back to her parents to ell them what had happened. These same now enraged and indignant parents then report him to the police and he is in trouble yet these same enraged parents don't appear to care that the same precious minor they are now protecting, was out in night clubs and sleeping around three years under age. This is the double standards the man is exposed even if not guilty, the little temptress has to be protected The simple answer ( may be deemed to be harsh) if the little temptress is in a night club acting and behaving like a 20 year old then the man has nothing to answer to, this is not male grooming this ( and I have not read the Sun article ) appears to be a honey trap that most single men of AJ age would fall into after a few drinks. The " little temptress" was a child and Rix, a man in his 40s, knew she was a child... Disgraceful post How do you know? You have no information,what makes you such an expert? And it's a bit rich to take the moral high ground particularly when posing as a Chippendale who are basically selling sex appeal and anything else to women even under age ones.
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Post by terrierng on Mar 2, 2015 20:12:39 GMT 1
This is very very difficult to have an opinion on without enraging someone over public morality. A few years ago I think it was Graham Rix was sent to prison for a few years for having sex with a minor. This is the same minor who was in a night club at 2-00 in the morning ,the same minor who spent the night with him and then ran back to her parents to ell them what had happened. These same now enraged and indignant parents then report him to the police and he is in trouble yet these same enraged parents don't appear to care that the same precious minor they are now protecting, was out in night clubs and sleeping around three years under age. This is the double standards the man is exposed even if not guilty, the little temptress has to be protected The simple answer ( may be deemed to be harsh) if the little temptress is in a night club acting and behaving like a 20 year old then the man has nothing to answer to, this is not male grooming this ( and I have not read the Sun article ) appears to be a honey trap that most single men of AJ age would fall into after a few drinks. The " little temptress" was a child and Rix, a man in his 40s, knew she was a child... Disgraceful post why was a child allowed out into a nightclub? did she look over 18? cos she was acting as if she was,if indeed she was in a nightclub,i don't know the details so I cant really comment but if a girl,even underage,is acting and looking like shes over18,or 16 even,whats a guy supposed to do ask them their age?because I would assume a girl in a nightclub would be legal age,its about time the law took that into consideration.
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Post by Giggity on Mar 2, 2015 20:12:47 GMT 1
Has Wes Brown been arrested for this?
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 2, 2015 20:14:06 GMT 1
The " little temptress" was a child and Rix, a man in his 40s, knew she was a child... Disgraceful post How do you know? You have no information,what makes you such an expert? And it's a bit rich to take the moral high ground particularly when posing as a Chippendale who are basically selling sex appeal and anything else to women even under age ones. How do I know ? What bit ? That he was 40s ? That she was a child ? That he knew she was a child ? Errrr cos I followed the case .... If you think that old men get a free pass to shag children cos the children consent, wear make up or go to nightclubs you are straying onto dangerous territory and need to re calibrate your moral compass
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 20:14:49 GMT 1
He hasn't been charged yet, let alone found guilty has he? We should all be careful what we say until the facts are revealed. Totally agree. He's innocent until proven guilty. The law needs changing ASAP. If he's found to be innocent and accused falsely of rape then his name has been dragged through the mud for life. This isn't the same as the Ched Evans situation because he WAS found guilty. Adam is not.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 2, 2015 20:15:02 GMT 1
The " little temptress" was a child and Rix, a man in his 40s, knew she was a child... Disgraceful post why was a child allowed out into a nightclub? did she look over 18? cos she was acting as if she was,if indeed she was in a nightclub,i don't know the details so I cant really comment but if a girl,even underage,is acting and looking like shes over18,or 16 even,whats a guy supposed to do ask them their age?because I would assume a girl in a nightclub would be legal age,its about time the law took that into consideration. Nicky you are assuming Rix and the girl was a one night stand
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Post by terrierng on Mar 2, 2015 20:16:41 GMT 1
why was a child allowed out into a nightclub? did she look over 18? cos she was acting as if she was,if indeed she was in a nightclub,i don't know the details so I cant really comment but if a girl,even underage,is acting and looking like shes over18,or 16 even,whats a guy supposed to do ask them their age?because I would assume a girl in a nightclub would be legal age,its about time the law took that into consideration. Nicky you are assuming Rix and the girl was a one night stand yeah,i only vaguely remember it
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Post by galpharm2400 on Mar 2, 2015 20:19:37 GMT 1
'little temptress' isn't the wisest choice of phrase...this could well be just an error of judgement or being fooled(hopefully for his sake not easily)....
you would be daft to believe that she was the only 15 year old or younger to be having illegal sex with older men on that night or any other night for that matter though..
its not a grooming or a vicious circle of men using violence or coercion though..
I think a lot of men have had very rude awakenings since teenage girls looked/acted much older than they were..
most clubs want proper ID nowadays from anyone who does not look as old as me.. my haircut is old enough to buy alcohol..
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 2, 2015 20:20:34 GMT 1
Nicky you are assuming Rix and the girl was a one night stand yeah,i only vaguely remember it He knew she was underage, he knew she was a virgin, yet he still got her round his house a few weeks after meeting her and shagged her without a condom.. Classy work from the 40 something father of four
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 2, 2015 20:20:59 GMT 1
How do you know? You have no information,what makes you such an expert? And it's a bit rich to take the moral high ground particularly when posing as a Chippendale who are basically selling sex appeal and anything else to women even under age ones. How do I know ? What bit ? That he was 40s ? That she was a child ? That he knew she was a child ? Errrr cos I followed the case .... If you think that old men get a free pass to shag children cos the children consent, wear make up or go to nightclubs you are straying onto dangerous territory and need to re calibrate your moral compass To be fair Ted, no one is saying that but if you meet a woman/girl in a nightclub you expect her to be at least 18. Like I said, what you suppose to do ask for a birth certificate? I suppose the fact he did have sexual activity with a minor means he broke the law, whether we should be taking into account the circumstances of the situation or not, is a bit of a grey area I guess.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 2, 2015 20:22:19 GMT 1
How do I know ? What bit ? That he was 40s ? That she was a child ? That he knew she was a child ? Errrr cos I followed the case .... If you think that old men get a free pass to shag children cos the children consent, wear make up or go to nightclubs you are straying onto dangerous territory and need to re calibrate your moral compass To be fair Ted, no one is saying that but if you meet a woman/girl in a nightclub you expect her to be at least 18. Like I said, what you suppose to do ask for a birth certificate? I suppose the fact he did have sexual activity with a minor means he broke the law, whether we should be taking into account the circumstances of the situation or not, is a bit of a grey area I guess. I think you also need to google the case Art
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Post by terrierng on Mar 2, 2015 20:24:31 GMT 1
yeah,i only vaguely remember it He knew she was underage, he knew she was a virgin, yet he still got her round his house a few weeks after meeting her and shagged her without a condom.. Classy work from the 40 something father of four fair enough he deserved jail then,and I wont comment on adam jonstone as I don't know the facts but.....if a girl is in a club and looks and acts 18,even though consent is 16,then whats a bloke to do? if this is the case with aj then I find it unfair hes been named,however as his club has suspended him maybe theres more to it.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Mar 2, 2015 20:25:35 GMT 1
To be fair Ted, no one is saying that but if you meet a woman/girl in a nightclub you expect her to be at least 18. Like I said, what you suppose to do ask for a birth certificate? I suppose the fact he did have sexual activity with a minor means he broke the law, whether we should be taking into account the circumstances of the situation or not, is a bit of a grey area I guess. I think you also need to google the case Art Sorry, I was on about Johnson, think you're on about Rix. Wires crossed.
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Post by York Terrier on Mar 2, 2015 20:31:58 GMT 1
How do you know? You have no information,what makes you such an expert? And it's a bit rich to take the moral high ground particularly when posing as a Chippendale who are basically selling sex appeal and anything else to women even under age ones. How do I know ? What bit ? That he was 40s ? That she was a child ? That he knew she was a child ? Errrr cos I followed the case .... If you think that old men get a free pass to shag children cos the children consent, wear make up or go to nightclubs you are straying onto dangerous territory and need to re calibrate your moral compass How do you know what happened in the AJ case the girl obviously lied about her age to get into the night club, how do you know GR or AJ did not ask the girls age ? Do you honestly believe that the girls were not aware of what they were doing.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 2, 2015 20:37:14 GMT 1
How do I know ? What bit ? That he was 40s ? That she was a child ? That he knew she was a child ? Errrr cos I followed the case .... If you think that old men get a free pass to shag children cos the children consent, wear make up or go to nightclubs you are straying onto dangerous territory and need to re calibrate your moral compass How do you know what happened in the AJ case the girl obviously lied about her age to get into the night club, how do you know GR or AJ did not ask the girls age ? Do you honestly believe that the girls were not aware of what they were doing. I don't know anything about the Johnson case and didn't comment on it because of that.... YOU introduced the Rix case ( not sure why) .... Not sure where you are going with this... Are you saying if a child is aware of what they are doing having sex with a 40 year old it's fair game ? Cos that's in essence what you just wrote... I'm not trying to score points here I am seriously concerned as to your viewpoint . I think from previous posts you are a man in his late 40s early 50s and have children ? I'm very worried
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Post by nicovaesen on Mar 2, 2015 20:46:23 GMT 1
He hasn't been charged yet, let alone found guilty has he? We should all be careful what we say until the facts are revealed. Agreed, his name shouldn't even have been released in my opinion. Now he will always be regarded as a paedophile/rapist now matter what the outcome is. Innocent until proven guilty and all that. Absolutely bang on if one half of the party has their identity hidden then so should both parties until proven guilty. These serious types of allegations can ruin peoples lives
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Post by York Terrier on Mar 2, 2015 20:51:06 GMT 1
How do you know what happened in the AJ case the girl obviously lied about her age to get into the night club, how do you know GR or AJ did not ask the girls age ? Do you honestly believe that the girls were not aware of what they were doing. I don't know anything about the Johnson case and didn't comment on it because of that.... YOU introduced the Rix case ( not sure why) .... Not sure where you are going with this... Are you saying if a child is aware of what they are doing having sex with a 40 year old it's fair game ? Cos that's in essence what you just wrote... I'm not trying to score points here I am seriously concerned as to your viewpoint . I think from previous posts you are a man in his late 40s early 50s and have children ? I'm very worried Don't be such a smart arse,you are not worried about anything apart from your own self opinionated standing, on this forum based on posting condescending and insulting messages on here that only you think are funny. I have not said any of the things you are implying I am just putting forward an opinion shared by a lot of others in this case, and others like it and don't understand how AJ or even GR would have been able to work out the Girls ages if they said they were over 16
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Mar 2, 2015 20:56:07 GMT 1
I don't know anything about the Johnson case and didn't comment on it because of that.... YOU introduced the Rix case ( not sure why) .... Not sure where you are going with this... Are you saying if a child is aware of what they are doing having sex with a 40 year old it's fair game ? Cos that's in essence what you just wrote... I'm not trying to score points here I am seriously concerned as to your viewpoint . I think from previous posts you are a man in his late 40s early 50s and have children ? I'm very worried Don't be such a smart arse,you are not worried about anything apart from your own self opinionated standing, on this forum based on posting condescending and insulting messages on here that only you think are funny. I have not said any of the things you are implying I am just putting forward an opinion shared by a lot of others in this case, and others like it and don't understand how AJ or even GR would have been able to work out the Girls ages if they said they were over 16 Take ownership of what you said reading.. You said it.. As someone who works with children I found your posts pretty disturbing.. But if you think I'm trying to be smart then I'll leave the discussion cos this is a serious subject and I'm not getting into a spat
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Post by Lard Buttie on Mar 2, 2015 21:02:06 GMT 1
I'm as surprised that AJ had a loaded gun at home!!!
Is that the latest must have ''accessory'' for footballers these days?
Re his arrest, there's not much to discuss until some details flesh out the incident.
The CE thread went to the amount of pages it did because of the detail available publicly.
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