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Post by Venezuelan Pete on Mar 3, 2015 22:40:57 GMT 1
Win a few, draw a few, lose a few more. Finish in mid table or just below. We're a below average team in this division, as our current league position suggests, and it ain't gonna change for a while. I guess we can go along for the ride, or not bother
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 22:43:55 GMT 1
Aaah fk it.
I'm gonna take up horse riding.
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Post by Stewpot on Mar 3, 2015 22:45:45 GMT 1
Brentford aren`t happy just to go along for the ride. They are having a right go, and good luck to `em.
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Post by terrierfortythree on Mar 3, 2015 22:45:52 GMT 1
all the league 1 bashers will be out tonight then, rather of seen us beat chesterfield 1-0 tonight
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 22:46:21 GMT 1
Win a few, draw a few, lose a few more. Finish in mid table or just below. We're a below average team in this division, as our current league position suggests, and it ain't gonna change for a while. I guess we can go along for the ride, or not bother Are you suggesting the change will be when we get relegated?
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Post by Big Ern on Mar 3, 2015 22:46:37 GMT 1
I disagree. Such a slapshod approach will eventually end in relegation. We cannot keep being lucky, very soon one of those poor 3 teams will be us. Then when we are eventually relegated after not giving it one single good go in this division we will go straight back to the football wilderness.
Our football philosophy is wrong. The way we introduce our youth players is wrong. Our loan signings are wrong. The ambition of the club is wrong. Teams who come up and want to be competetive in this division do not play so negatively.
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Post by huddersfc on Mar 3, 2015 22:47:45 GMT 1
why though? look at Brentford, they get a lot less average attendance than we do, its their first season in the championship. The difference is they sign players who will take them forward and will improve the team. We sign 2 shit players who couldnt make it at Blackpool or Birmingham =/
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Post by terrierng on Mar 3, 2015 22:52:00 GMT 1
why though? look at Brentford, they get a lot less average attendance than we do, its their first season in the championship. The difference is they sign players who will take them forward and will improve the team. We sign 2 shit players who couldnt make it at Blackpool or Birmingham =/ Didnt we sign any quality when we first came up then... Perspective.
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Post by huddersfc on Mar 3, 2015 22:53:34 GMT 1
why though? look at Brentford, they get a lot less average attendance than we do, its their first season in the championship. The difference is they sign players who will take them forward and will improve the team. We sign 2 shit players who couldnt make it at Blackpool or Birmingham =/ Didnt we sign any quality when we first came up then... Perspective. Of course we did, but we sold the majority of it, you have to replace it with better than Miller and Edgar
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Post by Venezuelan Pete on Mar 3, 2015 22:54:18 GMT 1
Brentford aren`t happy just to go along for the ride. They are having a right go, and good luck to `em. Yes and if you look at the history books, they're the exception to the rule. Very few teams have successful seasons after coming up from league one, Bournemouth and Brentford recent exceptions to this.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 22:54:21 GMT 1
Win a few, draw a few, lose a few more. Finish in mid table or just below. We're a below average team in this division, as our current league position suggests, and it ain't gonna change for a while. I guess we can go along for the ride, or not bother Doesn't sound too bad to me considering our recent 12 or 13 year absence from the Championship
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Post by y2troy on Mar 3, 2015 22:55:45 GMT 1
I disagree. Such a slapshod approach will eventually end in relegation. We cannot keep being lucky, very soon one of those poor 3 teams will be us. Then when we are eventually relegated after not giving it one single good go in this division we will go straight back to the football wilderness. Our football philosophy is wrong. The way we introduce our youth players is wrong. Our loan signings are wrong. The ambition of the club is wrong. Teams who come up and want to be competetive in this division do not play so negatively. Absolutely spot on this comment my friend... been saying for ages that the integration of youngsters is wrong and the standard of the football we play is 2nd rate mainly because we have had no stability due to chopping and changing so much ,We need an identity that works and stick with it and like Brentford they have a formula and it works and win lose or draw they stick with it and whoever comes in when injuries or suspensions occur then they will blood a ready made youngster and thats where we go wrong,we dont know what our best formation is ,our playing style is and most of all at the minute our best team and the potential of our youngsters .
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Post by loumacari on Mar 3, 2015 22:57:27 GMT 1
Brentford aren`t happy just to go along for the ride. They are having a right go, and good luck to `em. Yes and if you look at the history books, they're the exception to the rule. Very few teams have successful seasons after coming up from league one, Bournemouth and Brentford recent exceptions to this. As well as Southampton and Norwich who went straight up. And Wolves who are on the verge of the playoffs this season.
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Post by Venezuelan Pete on Mar 3, 2015 22:58:57 GMT 1
Yes and if you look at the history books, they're the exception to the rule. Very few teams have successful seasons after coming up from league one, Bournemouth and Brentford recent exceptions to this. As well as Southampton and Norwich who went straight up. And Wolves who are on the verge of the playoffs this season. Those are all teams with recent prem experience, money and strong infrastructure behind them. All three are bigger clubs with more potential than us and I don't think anyone would argue them being above us
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Post by dewsburyterrier on Mar 3, 2015 23:00:31 GMT 1
Disillusioned with the club at the moment. Another drab manager and mostly drivel on the field. Many will not cough up for a season ticket as the future looks to be one of unambition.
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Post by Stewpot on Mar 3, 2015 23:01:08 GMT 1
I can´t be bothered right now to look at the "wealth" of Brentford compared to ourselves. However I bet there ain`t much in it, correct me if I am way out. To me they have a look of a football club with real ambition, whereas we don´t. Something fundamental is different to the way the 2 clubs operate, their way of doing things, and I would wager it`s not all about how much dosh the respective owners have at their disposal.
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Post by 3Pipe on Mar 3, 2015 23:02:07 GMT 1
Yes and if you look at the history books, they're the exception to the rule. Very few teams have successful seasons after coming up from league one, Bournemouth and Brentford recent exceptions to this. Wolves are not doing too bad. Brighton did well. Southampton and Swansea very well. Leeds didn't do too badly. Norwich.
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 3, 2015 23:02:35 GMT 1
I disagree. Such a slapshod approach will eventually end in relegation. We cannot keep being lucky, very soon one of those poor 3 teams will be us. Then when we are eventually relegated after not giving it one single good go in this division we will go straight back to the football wilderness. Our football philosophy is wrong. The way we introduce our youth players is wrong. Our loan signings are wrong. The ambition of the club is wrong. Teams who come up and want to be competetive in this division do not play so negatively. We aren't 'luckily' in mid table. We're there because we deserve to be there. This idea that we're somehow 'lucky' that some teams are worse than us is a pile of hogshit. You earn your finishing spot, good or bad. IMO we'll finish about 14-16th in the table because we're the 14th to 16th best team in this division. That'll be an improvement on last season which was itself an improvement on the season before that. Thats a continuation of around 8 straight seasons of finishing in a better position than the previous season- yet the 'ambition of the club is wrong' ?? Laughable. In terms of revenue, crowd sizes and budgets, we're punching a little above our weight. You want to see us give it a good go ( ie spend some money we don't actually have ) , then the answer is the same as with others who moan about that- get yourself down there with your millions, and we'll give it a good go with it!!
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Post by ACW on Mar 3, 2015 23:02:43 GMT 1
Didnt we sign any quality when we first came up then... Perspective. Of course we did, but we sold the majority of it, you have to replace it with better than Miller and Edgar I think Miller has done okay for us so far. Nothing earth-shattering but he's contributed to the team. I am not so sure about Edgar. Perhaps worth keeping as a back up defender, but he's simply not good enough technically to be playing anywhere in midfield.
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Post by AndySk on Mar 3, 2015 23:04:15 GMT 1
If you've got a manager who's happy to draw at home to the poorer sides in the division then mid table is as good as it'll get
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Post by Venezuelan Pete on Mar 3, 2015 23:05:11 GMT 1
Yes and if you look at the history books, they're the exception to the rule. Very few teams have successful seasons after coming up from league one, Bournemouth and Brentford recent exceptions to this. Wolves are not doing too bad. Brighton did well. Southampton and Swansea very well. Leeds didn't do too badly. Norwich. Right and I could name you many more teams who have been promoted in recent years and have done fuck all
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Post by y2troy on Mar 3, 2015 23:06:38 GMT 1
This summer is gonna be the biggest one for the club in a long time, we have released many players and in essence that is to clear the way for CP yp get his own team in for next season as my only guess is he knows what he is doing and knows how bad the majority of the current squad is. That is probably gonna annoy a lot of fans between now and the end of the season but we have needed a big clear out for a while regardless of which manager would have been in charge.
So gonna be more bumps before end of season but also a few highs too
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Post by huddersfc on Mar 3, 2015 23:11:08 GMT 1
Of course we did, but we sold the majority of it, you have to replace it with better than Miller and Edgar I think Miller has done okay for us so far. Nothing earth-shattering but he's contributed to the team. I am not so sure about Edgar. Perhaps worth keeping as a back up defender, but he's simply not good enough technically to be playing anywhere in midfield. Powell said in the transfer window about only getting in players better than we already have who will improve the team. Miller is nowhere near what we have in attack, and really is a very short term solution in case Vaughan gets injured. Edgar also is nowhere near the quality that we already had, and if we are going to keep signing players of that quality im afraid we will soon be where Blackpool are.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 23:12:32 GMT 1
I disagree. Such a slapshod approach will eventually end in relegation. We cannot keep being lucky, very soon one of those poor 3 teams will be us. Then when we are eventually relegated after not giving it one single good go in this division we will go straight back to the football wilderness. Our football philosophy is wrong. The way we introduce our youth players is wrong. Our loan signings are wrong. The ambition of the club is wrong. Teams who come up and want to be competetive in this division do not play so negatively. We aren't 'luckily' in mid table. We're there because we deserve to be there. This idea that we're somehow 'lucky' that some teams are worse than us is a pile of hogshit. You earn your finishing spot, good or bad. IMO we'll finish about 14-16th in the table because we're the 14th to 16th best team in this division. That'll be an improvement on last season which was itself an improvement on the season before that. Thats a continuation of around 8 straight seasons of finishing in a better position than the previous season- yet the 'ambition of the club is wrong' ?? Laughable. In terms of revenue, crowd sizes and budgets, we're punching a little above our weight. You want to see us give it a good go ( ie spend some money we don't actually have ) , then the answer is the same as with others who moan about that- get yourself down there with your millions, and we'll give it a good go with it!! Unfortunately slaps, football fans purchase a season ticket, and with that they buy the self appointed right to demand "The Club" invest money at a ratio 1:30000 to each pound they put in.
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 3, 2015 23:13:03 GMT 1
Yes and if you look at the history books, they're the exception to the rule. Very few teams have successful seasons after coming up from league one, Bournemouth and Brentford recent exceptions to this. Wolves are not doing too bad. Brighton did well. Southampton and Swansea very well. Leeds didn't do too badly. Norwich. Wolves - 22,000 average brighton- 25000 average Leeds 24000 average Norwich 26000 average Southampton 26000 average in championship swansea 19000 average attendance in championship That might have something to do with it?
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Post by htfcterrier23 on Mar 3, 2015 23:14:03 GMT 1
Brentford seem to be a club that accepts the financial disadvantage they are at and make up the gap through the use of analytics and good recruitment. Town lack a clear vision. Under Robins everything was geared towards playing in the 'Huddersfield Town way'. That seems to have been thrown away now. Brentford show it is possible to be competitive in the division without a massive budget but we have to be better than the richer teams in everything we do. How much has Majewski cost? And how much has he played? Hundreds of thousands of pounds pissed away. So many examples of wasting money – we are not in the position to waste that kind of money and be competitive.
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Post by 3Pipe on Mar 3, 2015 23:14:35 GMT 1
Wolves are not doing too bad. Brighton did well. Southampton and Swansea very well. Leeds didn't do too badly. Norwich. Right and I could name you many more teams who have been promoted in recent years and have done fuck all I'm not denying that but added to the two you quoted I make 8 in the last five seasons or so that have gone on to do well. That's 8 out of 15.. better than 50%. Even if one or two clubs fall outside of that five season mark thems still not bad eggs.
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Post by EastCoastTerrier on Mar 3, 2015 23:14:57 GMT 1
We aren't 'luckily' in mid table. We're there because we deserve to be there. This idea that we're somehow 'lucky' that some teams are worse than us is a pile of hogshit. You earn your finishing spot, good or bad. IMO we'll finish about 14-16th in the table because we're the 14th to 16th best team in this division. That'll be an improvement on last season which was itself an improvement on the season before that. Thats a continuation of around 8 straight seasons of finishing in a better position than the previous season- yet the 'ambition of the club is wrong' ?? Laughable. Well said. 8 seasons of improved position finishes. It's that simple sometimes.
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Post by 3Pipe on Mar 3, 2015 23:18:33 GMT 1
Wolves are not doing too bad. Brighton did well. Southampton and Swansea very well. Leeds didn't do too badly. Norwich. Wolves - 22,000 average brighton- 25000 average Leeds 24000 average Norwich 26000 average Southampton 26000 average in championship swansea 19000 average attendance in championship That might have something to do with it? I think it does. Problem is when we pull a crowd in at our place we scare them all off again immediately by playing shite.
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Post by Venezuelan Pete on Mar 3, 2015 23:18:34 GMT 1
Right and I could name you many more teams who have been promoted in recent years and have done fuck all I'm not denying that but added to the two you quoted I make 8 in the last five seasons or so that have gone on to do well. That's 8 out of 15.. better than 50%. Even if one or two clubs fall outside of that five season mark thems still not bad eggs. Yes but look at the numbers above with regards to attendances. All the clubs you mention have a lot more potential than us. Like it or not, we are a small fish in a big pond and we are punching at or above our weight. Look at the teams below or around us in the table!!! Cardiff, Leeds, Fulham, reading, Brighton, Wigan.
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