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Post by AndySk on May 22, 2015 12:11:58 GMT 1
The only story i can see here is Liverpool fans/pundits etc... think they're the only team in the world and its impossible for them to believe anyone would want to play for someone else. Plus they like having a moan and a cry when things dont go all their way. Neither of these things are new to me. I agree with you about LFC but think there is another point. The point being that maybe I have got the wrong end of the stick but I really don't understand the comments that are saying they don't blame him wanting to break his contract in order to better himself and we'd do the same in his situation. He's young and will have every opportunity to better himself in the future but, surely, only after he has stuck by the contract. Are contracts meaningless and is honouring a contract from a bygone age? He's not breaking his contract though i dont think, he just doesnt want to sign an extension. As is his right. If he downs tools and refuses to play/train etc until he's sold then that aint right but dont think thats the case here. Told the club he wants to leave giving them the opportunity to get a load of money while under contract
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Post by ritchie on May 22, 2015 12:15:37 GMT 1
A few years ago i'd have said avoid city like the plague, but thinkthey are slightly more sensible these days and given their aging squad i think he would be a starter for them.
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Post by Amigo on May 22, 2015 12:18:52 GMT 1
Love or hate Liverpool this has got nothing to do with liking them or not ..as an avid football fan Sterling is everything what sums up everything what has gone wrong with this game ove rthe last 10-15 years with football contracts in general. Player power demanding how much they want ,where they want to go, all for the days when a player loved playing for a club and the fans, yeah if he had ambition and prospects do in the right way protect the club that has looked after him. This player for exampler has been poor all season ,a few wees ago he couldnt even beat the Hull City full back so now he wants away because he thinks he is better than the club he is at ....well i am sorry Sterling the old saying goes ur only as good as ur last game ...and urs was shite . Everyone now seems to be saying he's overrated/shite/next aaron lennon...didnt hear it last season...the kid is only 20 and had 28 goals/assists in his last 2 seasons. 7 goals and 7 assists this season in an underperforming liverpool team where most of the focus is on him (and there has been the whole contract thing rumbling) is hardly poor...only in comparison to last season...put him in a team with better strikers (like with saurez and sturridge) where he isnt being marked out of games and he will do well IMO....cant complain if the lad has ambitions of playing champions league and winning tropheys..because he wont get either with the scousers One thing for sure, he's been poorly advised and the whole situation could have been conducted better. He isn't shit but I think if people are thinking he's too big for Liverpool then yes he's overrated. Suarez got too big for Liverpool but he's miles ahead of Sterling. 7 goals for Sterling this season and he's played up front with Coutinho, Lallana, Henderson, Gerrard around him, doesn't actually make Vardy's 4 look that bad. If he wants to develop as a player he'd be better off staying in my opinion and getting games, he could probably go and get champions league and league trophy medals now but how involved is he actually going to be? Probably not much.
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Post by ritchie on May 22, 2015 12:50:05 GMT 1
Everyone now seems to be saying he's overrated/shite/next aaron lennon...didnt hear it last season...the kid is only 20 and had 28 goals/assists in his last 2 seasons. 7 goals and 7 assists this season in an underperforming liverpool team where most of the focus is on him (and there has been the whole contract thing rumbling) is hardly poor...only in comparison to last season...put him in a team with better strikers (like with saurez and sturridge) where he isnt being marked out of games and he will do well IMO....cant complain if the lad has ambitions of playing champions league and winning tropheys..because he wont get either with the scousers One thing for sure, he's been poorly advised and the whole situation could have been conducted better. He isn't shit but I think if people are thinking he's too big for Liverpool then yes he's overrated. Suarez got too big for Liverpool but he's miles ahead of Sterling. 7 goals for Sterling this season and he's played up front with Coutinho, Lallana, Henderson, Gerrard around him, doesn't actually make Vardy's 4 look that bad. If he wants to develop as a player he'd be better off staying in my opinion and getting games, he could probably go and get champions league and league trophy medals now but how involved is he actually going to be? Probably not much. He kind of is too big for liverpool if other clubs are offering him things liverpool can't. Coutinho i'll give you, but the others are hardly top players (gerrard hasnt been at his best) Most footballers dont think 'im not good enough to go there and get games, so i'll stay here' they think 'i'll go there work my hardest to become a starter'...call it arrogant..but they are taught to be winners from about 5 years old Dont really see the issue if footballers, offered better opportunites (with bigger challenges), feel they should take it
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on May 22, 2015 13:33:41 GMT 1
One of the major issues in this for me is that fact that he still has two years on his contract - why should anyone need to be re-negotiating that? Sadly contracts quite literally are not worth the paper that they are printed on these days. ;-( It's exactly the same as Jordan Rhodes (or his dad) demanding to leave Town with THREE years remaining on his contract (he would still be contracted to us until June) - just over a year after taking a pay rise and extension, I really don't see Sterling as an unique situation just the latest in a long line of players seeking to better themselves by engineering a move for more money. At least Sterling didn't sign up for the pay rise and then a year later demand the move like Rhodes.
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Post by Captainslapper on May 22, 2015 14:35:14 GMT 1
To be fair to Rhodes, it will have been the club that wanted him to sign an extended improved contract because they knew it would increase his price tag, as they also knew he would be wanting to leave soon. Hes hardly likely to sign an extended deal but insist he doesn't get the pay rise that came with it.
He did the club a favour and they paid him a bit more for it.
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Post by Manx Terrier on May 22, 2015 14:36:02 GMT 1
I agree with you about LFC but think there is another point. The point being that maybe I have got the wrong end of the stick but I really don't understand the comments that are saying they don't blame him wanting to break his contract in order to better himself and we'd do the same in his situation. He's young and will have every opportunity to better himself in the future but, surely, only after he has stuck by the contract. Are contracts meaningless and is honouring a contract from a bygone age? He's not breaking his contract though i dont think, he just doesnt want to sign an extension. As is his right. If he downs tools and refuses to play/train etc until he's sold then that aint right but dont think thats the case here. Told the club he wants to leave giving them the opportunity to get a load of money while under contract Fair enough. I was thinking he'd just sulk and not try until they let him go. It's likely that it's the agent he's got that's turned me against him.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on May 24, 2015 15:59:24 GMT 1
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Post by Terrier Ramone on May 24, 2015 17:35:45 GMT 1
The amount of money footballers are paid is ridiculous, but as it is there, who isn't going to get as much as they can?
IMO, Sterling is doing absolutely nothing wrong - Liverpool want to pay him £100K a week, which is nothing like their top earners, yet they have relied on him to be their star man this year. At present Liverpool say he's only a young lad learning his trade...but you try & buy him & they will demand £50M plus - that is their prerogative but you can't have it both ways, he's either a top player for them, deserving a wage not too dissimilar to their previous top earners (Suarez & Gerrrard), or he's still learning the game & you sell him accordingly, at a price that fits that status.
People might question his talent, but I was reading some stats about young players under (I think) 23 and his goals and assists are actually unique in their quality amongst such an age group, by a massive amount. He is an England regular (when the poor lamb is not too tired to play for us)& Liverpool have relied on him massively this season, I don't feel its unreasonable for him to ask for more than what Liverpool are prepared to offer currently, as I'm sure he will get a better offer. If that is the case, his agent has done what he's supposed to do for his client.
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Post by wtd on May 25, 2015 13:58:44 GMT 1
Didn't see the Liverpool fans bleating about loyalty when they were taking Southampton's best players last season. If Sterling can get more money somewhere else good luck to him. Liverpools fans and hierarchy have some deep seated sense of self importance from somewhere, I listened to a programme the other day when someone from within the club basically said they are different and more special than any other club in world football !!! What a load of arrogant tosh !! Any club means as much to its own supporters as any other whether it be Liverpool or Exeter. For the record is it just me that doesn't see what all the hype is about Sterling !! Doesn't score nearly enough goals and not enough end product. If he thinks he's getting some stick now can you imagine if he went to Madrid, the fans there are on the verge of lynching Bale for a few under par performances and he's twice the player of Sterling. Yep... that's my take on it.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 16:08:24 GMT 1
Poor Raheem, I just don't know how he will get by with such a dilemma.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2018 10:23:59 GMT 1
Perhaps Ian Wright, who seems to be a reasonable man whose passion for the game sometimes send him in the wrong direction, could explain why other black players don't get the same kind of reaction?
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Post by willo on Aug 14, 2018 10:26:29 GMT 1
REALLY !!!?www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45177178 ..........there is a certain amount of racism towards it - what else can it be? Bollox. It’s because he’s a big-time Charlie who thinks he’s way better than he actually is. Good player no doubt, but hardly a world beater. Think the media simply think the same.
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Post by Tinpot on Aug 14, 2018 10:33:14 GMT 1
I think the media are just looking for a story, and he's just the one they've picked out to target. Big time Charlie? Maybe, maybe not - I don't know the guy personally so I couldn't say either way. BTW - you might want to give this a read: www.joe.co.uk/sport/eddie-hearn-sterling-192287
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 14, 2018 10:38:54 GMT 1
nothing to do with his on field diving 'antics' and the way he underperforms in an England shirt then?? going to the opposition fans when he scores for a team that virtually any other forward who played instead of him would score plenty of goals for?? He gave a 'reason' for the daft tattoo, each to his own..plenty of daft tattoos out there.. england have had black players since the late 70s and the racist attitude towards them has died down as years go by and I dont believe he gets targetted anymore than any number of players who's 'style' attracts some stick, as per Savage, Barton, Zaha, VLP and many others of all 'colours'.. Its clearly not his background as loads of players come from 'difficult childhoods' etc.. Its not who he is, its what he is or the impression he gives off..
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Post by royrace on Aug 14, 2018 10:46:55 GMT 1
Why not just start a new thread with an appropriate title, save people having to wade through year old crap.
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Post by E4b on Aug 14, 2018 10:47:03 GMT 1
Ian Wright talking out of his arse again!
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Post by ozterrier on Aug 14, 2018 11:40:34 GMT 1
What was said about him buying a house for his mum? How could anyone possibly have a problem with that by the way? Quite the opposite, if any of these outrageously wealthy DON'T buy their mum's a new house they should be slaughtered in the media!
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Post by artysid on Aug 14, 2018 11:43:21 GMT 1
Why not just start a new thread with an appropriate title, save people having to wade through year old crap. Are there really people who wade through old crap? I tend to go to the last post post then back a bit to get the jist of the latest comments. In this case up to terrier69 about an hour ago
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Aug 14, 2018 12:08:35 GMT 1
Sterling gets stick because he always gets himself in to good positions only to fall over his own feet. Scored a good goal at the weekend but still made a right mess of some other good positions. Must be infuriating to manage because he goes from looking world class to non league in the space of 30 seconds
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2018 12:56:13 GMT 1
I think the media are just looking for a story, and he's just the one they've picked out to target. Big time Charlie? Maybe, maybe not - I don't know the guy personally so I couldn't say either way. BTW - you might want to give this a read: www.joe.co.uk/sport/eddie-hearn-sterling-192287 Hi Raheem im Eddie Hearn,right you kids fuck off and leave Raheem alone,I'm special I'm rich so I can talk to him 😁
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Post by galpharm2400 on Aug 14, 2018 13:14:04 GMT 1
I think the media are just looking for a story, and he's just the one they've picked out to target. Big time Charlie? Maybe, maybe not - I don't know the guy personally so I couldn't say either way. BTW - you might want to give this a read: www.joe.co.uk/sport/eddie-hearn-sterling-192287 Hi Raheem im Eddie Hearn,right you kids fuck off and leave Raheem alone,I'm special I'm rich so I can talk to him 😁 once had someone quite famous give me the 'do you know who I am' blather.. 'yes I do and you can still fuck off'...
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Post by royrace on Aug 14, 2018 13:33:29 GMT 1
Why not just start a new thread with an appropriate title, save people having to wade through year old crap. Are there really people who wade through old crap? I tend to go to the last post post then back a bit to get the jist of the latest comments. In this case up to terrier69 about an hour ago Presumably you can appreciate that simply clicking on a shiny new thread with an accurate title would be even easier? 'Back a bit' could be several pages depending on the popularity of the thread and when you happen to stumble upon it. There is no value whatsoever in this new observation being tagged to a year old discussion just because it happens to be about the same player. This is a forum not a reference library.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2018 14:25:55 GMT 1
Are there really people who wade through old crap? I tend to go to the last post post then back a bit to get the jist of the latest comments. In this case up to terrier69 about an hour ago Presumably you can appreciate that simply clicking on a shiny new thread with an accurate title would be even easier? 'Back a bit' could be several pages depending on the popularity of the thread and when you happen to stumble upon it. There is no value whatsoever in this new observation being tagged to a year old discussion just because it happens to be about the same player. This is a forum not a reference library. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/45183104
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Post by Elioud on Aug 14, 2018 14:33:44 GMT 1
What's the point of bumping three year old threads :/
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2018 14:35:39 GMT 1
Are there really people who wade through old crap? I tend to go to the last post post then back a bit to get the jist of the latest comments. In this case up to terrier69 about an hour ago Presumably you can appreciate that simply clicking on a shiny new thread with an accurate title would be even easier? 'Back a bit' could be several pages depending on the popularity of the thread and when you happen to stumble upon it. There is no value whatsoever in this new observation being tagged to a year old discussion just because it happens to be about the same player. This is a forum not a reference library. Just click the "new" button and it will take you to the first unread message in a thread?
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Post by Jello Biafra on Aug 14, 2018 14:46:16 GMT 1
Hi Raheem im Eddie Hearn,right you kids fuck off and leave Raheem alone,I'm special I'm rich so I can talk to him 😁 once had someone quite famous give me the 'do you know who I am' blather.. 'yes I do and you can still fuck off'... Ronnie Pickering?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2018 15:24:08 GMT 1
What's the point of bumping three year old threads :/ so you can read it
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Post by ozterrier on Aug 14, 2018 15:43:10 GMT 1
Who cares? New thread, old thread... it really ain't a big deal!
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