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Post by Big Ern on Aug 29, 2015 18:48:57 GMT 1
An atrocious front pairing. They look like complete strangers and we need another striker desperately. Miller was the biggest bloke on the pitch and can't head a ball for toffee, Wells couldn't trap cement and they both looked lost.
I felt sorry for every single other player in the team who put a shift in but these two don't look up to it.
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Post by royrace on Aug 29, 2015 18:52:12 GMT 1
Weak link today without a doubt, particularly Miller. New striker needed ASAP.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 29, 2015 18:52:07 GMT 1
An atrocious front pairing. They look like complete strangers and we need another striker desperately. Miller was the biggest bloke on the pitch and can't head a ball for toffee, Wells couldn't trap cement and they both looked lost. I felt sorry for every single other player in the team who put a shift in but these two don't look up to it. Exactly, The times Wells just knocked the ball away, Very poor strike force indeed and Sicknote may aswel leave the club.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Aug 29, 2015 18:57:49 GMT 1
Miller's good for an impact sub and occasionally cover, but he's not a regular starter.
Hopefully Vaughan will go and we can spend big on a new first choice, whether a purchase or expensive loan (e.g. Kermagant).
Saying that, how crap did Austin look today and he'll likely fetch £15m!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 19:19:12 GMT 1
An atrocious front pairing. They look like complete strangers and we need another striker desperately. Miller was the biggest bloke on the pitch and can't head a ball for toffee, Wells couldn't trap cement and they both looked lost. I felt sorry for every single other player in the team who put a shift in but these two don't look up to it. Miller did alright today, but he's nothing more than a useful squad player really. We don't want to be relying on him for 90 mins every game. Wells...when he gets his head down he sulks, was astonishingly dire. Played with 10 men today.
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Post by detox on Aug 29, 2015 19:22:36 GMT 1
Wells must be mates with Danny Ward...
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Post by shawsie on Aug 29, 2015 19:29:16 GMT 1
An atrocious front pairing. They look like complete strangers and we need another striker desperately. Miller was the biggest bloke on the pitch and can't head a ball for toffee, Wells couldn't trap cement and they both looked lost. I felt sorry for every single other player in the team who put a shift in but these two don't look up to it. Miller did alright today, but he's nothing more than a useful squad player really. We don't want to be relying on him for 90 mins every game. Wells...when he gets his head down he sulks, was astonishingly dire. Played with 10 men today. Miler did alright?!?! In what way.............ive seen more mobile sloths and when he wasnt offside he stood static. When hes good hes very good, but so inconsistent.
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 29, 2015 19:32:01 GMT 1
Couldn't we get someone from the district league to do what Miller does for a fraction of the cost
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Post by ACW on Aug 29, 2015 19:34:20 GMT 1
Weak link today without a doubt, particularly Miller. New striker needed ASAP. Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards Thought Miller did okay, especially when we stopped hitting high balls at him and used his ability to hold the ball up with his feet. I thought Wells was really poor and considerably worse than Miller. Neither offered a goal threat, but Miller did hold the ball up and bring others into play. Wells offered little.
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Post by ACW on Aug 29, 2015 19:36:01 GMT 1
An atrocious front pairing. They look like complete strangers and we need another striker desperately. Miller was the biggest bloke on the pitch and can't head a ball for toffee, Wells couldn't trap cement and they both looked lost. I felt sorry for every single other player in the team who put a shift in but these two don't look up to it. So why did we insist on hitting high balls to him for most of the first half? When we played the ball into his feet in the second half he held the ball up far better and was more effective in bringing others into play.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 19:39:19 GMT 1
Miller did alright today, but he's nothing more than a useful squad player really. We don't want to be relying on him for 90 mins every game. Wells...when he gets his head down he sulks, was astonishingly dire. Played with 10 men today. Miler did alright?!?! In what way.............ive seen more mobile sloths and when he wasnt offside he stood static. When hes good hes very good, but so inconsistent. In the second half I thought he held it up pretty well to say he has totally isolated. Shawsie if you think Miller was bad today, fair enough, I don't think he was great. But his overall contribution compared with his partner was ten times better
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 29, 2015 19:45:18 GMT 1
Miler did alright?!?! In what way.............ive seen more mobile sloths and when he wasnt offside he stood static. When hes good hes very good, but so inconsistent. In the second half I thought he held it up pretty well to say he has totally isolated. Shawsie if you think Miller was bad today, fair enough, I don't think he was great. But his overall contribution compared with his partner was ten times better Exactly, can't blame Miller. Wells did nothing, can't trap a ball. We need a striker Proffessor Potts Powell.
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Post by royrace on Aug 29, 2015 20:07:13 GMT 1
An atrocious front pairing. They look like complete strangers and we need another striker desperately. Miller was the biggest bloke on the pitch and can't head a ball for toffee, Wells couldn't trap cement and they both looked lost. I felt sorry for every single other player in the team who put a shift in but these two don't look up to it. So why did we insist on hitting high balls to him for most of the first half? When we played the ball into his feet in the second half he held the ball up far better and was more effective in bringing others into play. Probably played high balls to him since he's a big lad and ought to have learned to head the ball. He didn't do much better with it to his feet imo, good option from the bench, we'll be in trouble if we end up relying on that strike force as starters. Town were a good striker or two away from winning the game. Needed a Grant Holt today. I suspect there will be irons in the fire, if not or they don't come off we are in the shit. Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards
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Post by rantinray on Aug 29, 2015 20:11:33 GMT 1
An atrocious front pairing. They look like complete strangers and we need another striker desperately. Miller was the biggest bloke on the pitch and can't head a ball for toffee, Wells couldn't trap cement and they both looked lost. I felt sorry for every single other player in the team who put a shift in but these two don't look up to it. Miller did alright today, but he's nothing more than a useful squad player really. We don't want to be relying on him for 90 mins every game. Wells...when he gets his head down he sulks, was astonishingly dire. Played with 10 men today. Miller did alright today? Only player I know who stands 6' 1" and jumps 5' 8". He was extremely poor. Wells did very little also. Mid-field for me did not provide the right ball to our front two. Long balls up to a guy (Miller) who seems unable to connect with a ball in the air is not the way to win matches. On the day we deserved a point. Two teams playing below average football. Austin was in the same boat, poor service to him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 20:16:43 GMT 1
Watched Bury play a second Leicester side on Tuesday. They signed Tom Pope on a free from Port Vale in Summer and he honestly looks like a better version of Miller. Can hold it up and actually out-jumped Leicester's defence, which was still a pretty good defence to put out. Had a good shot on him too, L1 top scorer a year or two ago. Great assist headed knock down for their goal too.
Not saying I'd sign him now but bet he's on a fraction of Millers wage and probably better.
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Post by ACW on Aug 29, 2015 20:19:27 GMT 1
So why did we insist on hitting high balls to him for most of the first half? When we played the ball into his feet in the second half he held the ball up far better and was more effective in bringing others into play. Probably played high balls to him since he's a big lad and ought to have learned to head the ball. He didn't do much better with it to his feet imo, good option from the bench, we'll be in trouble if we end up relying on that strike force as starters. Town were a good striker or two away from winning the game. Needed a Grant Holt today. I suspect there will be irons in the fire, if not or they don't come off we are in the shit. Sent from my GT-I9505 using proboards They've played with him enough to know he's far better with the ball on the floor than in the air. Just rank poor tactics to continually put it up in the air when he doesn't win many headers. Just because he should be better in the air isn't a reason to hit the ball high to him. What did they think would happen - that he'd suddenly get better during the game because they were giving him more practice? Why play the ball high to a player who's not good in the air? Utter madness. Luckily we changed the way we played in the second half, played much better football and IMO Miller did much better with his feet - brought others into play much better. We'll just have to agree to disagree on that one. I do agree that he should be on the bench and if we rely on Miller/Wells as a first choice strike force we'll struggle this season.
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Post by ACW on Aug 29, 2015 20:20:56 GMT 1
Miller did alright today, but he's nothing more than a useful squad player really. We don't want to be relying on him for 90 mins every game. Wells...when he gets his head down he sulks, was astonishingly dire. Played with 10 men today. Miller did alright today? Only player I know who stands 6' 1" and jumps 5' 8". He was extremely poor. Wells did very little also. Mid-field for me did not provide the right ball to our front two. Long balls up to a guy (Miller) who seems unable to connect with a ball in the air is not the way to win matches. On the day we deserved a point. Two teams playing below average football. Austin was in the same boat, poor service to him.And he wasn't happy about it either. Looked very disgruntled on the pitch.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 20:23:03 GMT 1
our forward play is painful to watch at times. miller was shocking, and wells was poor.
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Post by rantinray on Aug 29, 2015 20:24:33 GMT 1
Miller did alright today? Only player I know who stands 6' 1" and jumps 5' 8". He was extremely poor. Wells did very little also. Mid-field for me did not provide the right ball to our front two. Long balls up to a guy (Miller) who seems unable to connect with a ball in the air is not the way to win matches. On the day we deserved a point. Two teams playing below average football. Austin was in the same boat, poor service to him.And he wasn't happy about it either. Looked very disgruntled on the pitch. He is a class act but on that showing with the service he got he looked poor.
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Post by Porrohman on Aug 29, 2015 20:48:10 GMT 1
In the second half I thought he held it up pretty well to say he has totally isolated. Shawsie if you think Miller was bad today, fair enough, I don't think he was great. But his overall contribution compared with his partner was ten times better Exactly, can't blame Miller. Wells did nothing, can't trap a ball. We need a striker Proffessor Potts Powell. What would the odd be if chance dropped to one of them to score ? Nakhi 50/50, Miller 90/10 against ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 23:02:24 GMT 1
Miller did alright today, but he's nothing more than a useful squad player really. We don't want to be relying on him for 90 mins every game. Wells...when he gets his head down he sulks, was astonishingly dire. Played with 10 men today. Miller did alright today? Only player I know who stands 6' 1" and jumps 5' 8". He was extremely poor. Wells did very little also. Mid-field for me did not provide the right ball to our front two. Long balls up to a guy (Miller) who seems unable to connect with a ball in the air is not the way to win matches. On the day we deserved a point. Two teams playing below average football. Austin was in the same boat, poor service to him. I actually thought he looked decent when we got balls into his feet. To day he got zero support I'm not sure what some people expect him to be able to do. Granted, his heading has been poor this season however but at least he offers something, he's still a handful.
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Aug 29, 2015 23:14:56 GMT 1
Miller's an average league 1 striker at best. Simply not good enough - bit like Lee - just gets 'involved' with their defenders.
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Post by specialun on Aug 29, 2015 23:37:38 GMT 1
Miller's an average league 1 striker at best. Simply not good enough - bit like Lee - just gets 'involved' with their defenders. At least Alan Lee's intended elbows hit the target I was embarrassed by what looked to be Miller's elbow today - fair play to their lad, he didn't make a meal and got up and got him with the next tackle. Could have easily seen red on another day. Yellow at very least giving the benefit of the doubt.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Aug 30, 2015 0:22:28 GMT 1
The criticism of Miller is bizarre, thought he had a decent game today. Why can't people see it's that bloody shite 4-3-3 formation he has us playing, he isn't playing to the players strengths.
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Aug 30, 2015 10:32:00 GMT 1
The criticism of Miller is bizarre, thought he had a decent game today. Why can't people see it's that bloody shite 4-3-3 formation he has us playing, he isn't playing to the players strengths. Both are problems - an average league 1 striker in a bad formation - I'd say it is 4-4-2 but with 3 in the middle of midfield so no-one on the left of midfield - Davidson is being asked to play left back AND left midfield - he gave it a tremendous go yesterday and must be a really fit lad but he'll be completely knackered by Xmas.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Aug 30, 2015 10:36:26 GMT 1
One or two shiney new strikers to come in by Tuesday?
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Aug 30, 2015 10:56:41 GMT 1
The criticism of Miller is bizarre, thought he had a decent game today. Why can't people see it's that bloody shite 4-3-3 formation he has us playing, he isn't playing to the players strengths. Both are problems - an average league 1 striker in a bad formation - I'd say it is 4-4-2 but with 3 in the middle of midfield so no-one on the left of midfield - Davidson is being asked to play left back AND left midfield - he gave it a tremendous go yesterday and must be a really fit lad but he'll be completely knackered by Xmas. I have noticed this myself, Davidson plays far more advanced than Smith does on the opposite side.
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Post by htfc63 on Aug 30, 2015 11:01:18 GMT 1
I agree that Wells could not trap a bag of cement however what do they do in training all week. His ball control is atrocious and certainly not up to championship standard. Miller may well do a job in league 1 or 2 but at this level a tall guy who cannot head the ball and has few ball skills is a luxury. Yesterday showed exactly why we have issues up front in that we rarely have more than one player in the box. QPRs goal showed three players could have put in the shot as they ran like hell up the pitch whereas the best we can do is a gentle jog upfield with no sense of urgency. Lets hope we can get at least one striker in before the deadline as I can see us struggling to score any goals with the only two strikers we currently have (Vaughn not included as he is obviously either going or out of favour).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2015 12:02:31 GMT 1
If we are to reinvest the money we got from Smithies we need to spend the bulk of it on a striker. One who is a threat up front by himself and can also still link up with either Miller or Wells as a front 2. Miller is a useful squad player to have, he'll rough up the opposition defence and can hold play up when played to his feet. Miller will never be our go to guy however. Wells can score goals but he needs them putting on a plate for him. When he's having an off day (and he was having a stinker yesterday) we need another option to go to.
I don't think our strikers are helped out by this lop-sided 442 that we're playing at the moment though. We only have one outlet down the right through Scannell and Smith offers him little to no support in the final third. On the other side, whenever Davidson picks up the ball, he has no option in front of him other than to knock it long down the line to Miller; which in turn means we're then losing a striker in and around the penalty area. If we don't have a midfielder or 2 busting a gut to get into the area (and we don't have) we have very little goal threat.
It's an odd set of circumstances when you start 442 and then the option you choose to try and win the game is to go 451. If anything it should be the other way around. I'd quite like to see someone new brought in to spearhead the attack and to play Scannell, Lolley and Carayol as a fluid 3 behind them. 2 in midfield of Butterfield, Hogg, Whitehead or Huws. Then if we need to go for it, bring Wells or Miller on and go 442.
On another note, I'm pretty disappointed with the way the club and Dean Hoyle have treated James Vaughan. I know we haven't got enough game time out of him but whenever he has played he's given his all. He's still the best striker we have (maybe not much longer) in my opinion. We were crying out for him yesterday when Wells needed subbing. Powell can talk up Flo Bojaj all he likes and how well he's played for the development squad but there's no way under normal circumstances he would dislodge James Vaughan from the team/squad. No disrespect to Bojaj, I obviously hope he turns out to be good, but he was blatantly nothing more than bench filler yesterday as we'd given ourselves no other option. If we are letting Vaughan's contract run down we might as well get as much game time out of him as possible while he's still a Town player. I don't see any need to go to the media about it until he was either sold or until his contract had actually expired. It looks to me like we've shot ourselves in the foot if it means he won't get selected now. I don't know if anything has happened behind the scenes with him but I do think it's really poor form by the club. Very disappointing!
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Post by 007Berlin on Aug 30, 2015 12:07:24 GMT 1
If we are to reinvest the money we got from Smithies we need to spend the bulk of it on a striker. One who is a threat up front by himself and can also still link up with either Miller or Wells as a front 2. Miller is a useful squad player to have, he'll rough up the opposition defence and can hold play up when played to his feet. Miller will never be our go to guy however. Wells can score goals but he needs them putting on a plate for him. When he's having an off day (and he was having a stinker yesterday) we need another option to go to. I don't think our strikers are helped out by this lop-sided 442 that we're playing at the moment though. We only have one outlet down the right through Scannell and Smith offers him little to no support in the final third. On the other side, whenever Davidson picks up the ball, he has no option in front of him other than to knock it long down the line to Miller; which in turn means we're then losing a striker in and around the penalty area. If we don't have a midfielder or 2 busting a gut to get into the area (and we don't have) we have very little goal threat. It's an odd set of circumstances when you start 442 and then the option you choose to try and win the game is to go 451. If anything it should be the other way around. I'd quite like to see someone new brought in to spearhead the attack and to play Scannell, Lolley and Carayol as a fluid 3 behind them. 2 in midfield of Butterfield, Hogg, Whitehead or Huws. Then if we need to go for it, bring Wells or Miller on and go 442. On another note, I'm pretty disappointed with the way the club and Dean Hoyle have treated James Vaughan. I know we haven't got enough game time out of him but whenever he has played he's given his all. He's still the best striker we have (maybe not much longer) in my opinion. We were crying out for him yesterday when Wells needed subbing. Powell can talk up Flo Bojaj all he likes and how well he's played for the development squad but there's no way under normal circumstances he would dislodge James Vaughan from the team/squad. No disrespect to Bojaj, I obviously hope he turns out to be good, but he was blatantly nothing more than bench filler yesterday as we'd given ourselves no other option. If we are letting Vaughan's contract run down we might as well get as much game time out of him as possible while he's still a Town player. I don't see any need to go to the media about it until he was either sold or until his contract had actually expired. It looks to me like we've shot ourselves in the foot if it means he won't get selected now. I don't know if anything has happened behind the scenes with him but I do think it's really poor form by the club. Very disappointing! I think that's the most sensible thing I've ever read on here! Agree wit all of it
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