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Post by capitalterrier on Sept 1, 2015 11:16:35 GMT 1
£5m is a good amount but having even £100m in the bank doesn't necessarily mean success on the pitch. The list of big name/high price signings is endless.
This is why Town are, for now, always going to be a mid/low end Championship club. We develop, to our credit, young players with potential (Rhodes, Pilks, Coady),and make good money, but when they become multi million pound players we lose them from our side and have to start again. And it's teams like Derby and Wolves that buy them and will continue to be above us.
Not saying we should be throwing million pound bids about, but if we are serious about challenging for the top half or playoffs, we need to keep hold of our best players as it's easier to keep what you know works than to go searching for what might or might not work again in the same way.
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Post by kingofgolcar on Sept 1, 2015 11:16:22 GMT 1
We would be foolish not to accept this,thinking back I think most would say we should have accepted 4 million off Celtic?
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Post by Floyds on Sept 1, 2015 11:16:47 GMT 1
I'd have accepted £5m (if that's what it is) as well, in fairness.
As long as we bring the "right" replacements in. We've known for ages that him leaving was a distinct possibility, so hopefully we've a few lined up to come in as soon as the sale completes.
As Bilo helpfully pointed out on a separate thread, there are a number of highly rated, young, central midfielders in League One that we could sign and again, hopefully sell on in 12-18 months time.
The Lolley one is a strange one, I'd have assumed the wingers (Scannell, Carayol, Lolley, Bunn) were fine, and that we'd need to invest in other (CM, CB, RB, Striker) positions as a priority.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Sept 1, 2015 11:17:45 GMT 1
Can i just make a point that Smithies for nearly 2 million and Butters for now rumored to be 5 million equates to 7 million with the running costs for the season alleged to be 5 million prob alot less now Smithies wages are off the bill and prob those of JV aswell by the end of today, So DH has more than covered the running costs of the club this season with the transfers so far, If and it's a big if people are asking for him to spend in Jan etc he currently has a 2 million chest to spend further more we shouldn't read comments on here saying DH is supporting the club out of his own pocket blah blah blah because he cert won't be supporting the club financially this year. I think that's the point mate....build a system that doesn't rely on dodgy debt.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Sept 1, 2015 11:20:29 GMT 1
Can i just make a point that Smithies for nearly 2 million and Butters for now rumored to be 5 million equates to 7 million with the running costs for the season alleged to be 5 million prob alot less now Smithies wages are off the bill and prob those of JV aswell by the end of today, So DH has more than covered the running costs of the club this season with the transfers so far, If and it's a big if people are asking for him to spend in Jan etc he currently has a 2 million chest to spend further more we shouldn't read comments on here saying DH is supporting the club out of his own pocket blah blah blah because he cert won't be supporting the club financially this year. Its not as clean as that though Leaving players will be due some compensation if they have not asked for a move We will also have to pay signing on fees and agent fees for new players (great isn't it!) So the £2m won't be that after "costs" and there won't be £2m simply for transfer fees As for reinvestment, lets wait until the end of the day before making a judgement If we have managed to get a 10x return on Coady and Butterfield DH might think about investing some more money - better margin than selling cards on a stall
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Post by AndySk on Sept 1, 2015 11:22:48 GMT 1
Wahey once again the the fans are lied to by the board
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Post by Carl2291 on Sept 1, 2015 11:22:49 GMT 1
More than 5 million for Butterfield?
Can't turn that down. However, we simply must invest that into the squad before the window shuts.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 11:24:26 GMT 1
More than 5 million for Butterfield? Can't turn that down. However, we simply must invest that into the squad before the window shuts. Huddersfield Town FC @examinerhtafc 8m8 minutes ago Butterfield from #htafc to #dcfc is on - could take most of dayanyone else wondering if we'll bugger it up?
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Post by Carl2291 on Sept 1, 2015 11:24:58 GMT 1
Nathan Byrne gone to Wolves.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 11:25:38 GMT 1
Enjoyed watching Butterfield, Smashing little player, But 5M is a ridiculous amount for a lad who couldn't make his previous sides starting 11 just over a year ago.
By far and away our star man, Did not ask to leave, Happy to be playing here, Lives locally, 5M may well be ridiculous, But we didn't need to sell.
Feels a bit like we have already flung our arms up and surrendered our championship status to me, Which is a bit sad considering the effort and length of time trying to get here under Hoyle.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 11:29:13 GMT 1
Wahey once again the the fans are lied to by the board Only if you choose to believe DH said something he didn't.
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Post by buckers on Sept 1, 2015 11:32:00 GMT 1
More than 5 million for Butterfield? Can't turn that down. However, we simply must invest that into the squad before the window shuts. Huddersfield Town FC @examinerhtafc 8m8 minutes ago Butterfield from #htafc to #dcfc is on - could take most of dayanyone else wondering if we'll bugger it up? If that happens and we run out of time to get replacement in I'm gonna be f**king livid.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 11:35:27 GMT 1
Wahey once again the the fans are lied to by the board Don't be stupid
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Post by thrice on Sept 1, 2015 11:35:57 GMT 1
Can i just make a point that Smithies for nearly 2 million and Butters for now rumored to be 5 million equates to 7 million with the running costs for the season alleged to be 5 million prob alot less now Smithies wages are off the bill and prob those of JV aswell by the end of today, So DH has more than covered the running costs of the club this season with the transfers so far, If and it's a big if people are asking for him to spend in Jan etc he currently has a 2 million chest to spend further more we shouldn't read comments on here saying DH is supporting the club out of his own pocket blah blah blah because he cert won't be supporting the club financially this year. actually Dean said the Coady money made us break even, so the Smithies money was available for Powell...and maybe a chunk of the Butters money too.. well, I think that's what he meant.. I was not there but I find it very hard to believe that he said we would break even on the back of selling Coady. And if he did say that I find it even harder to believe that he will be proved right.
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Post by detox on Sept 1, 2015 11:47:03 GMT 1
Huddersfield Town FC @examinerhtafc 8m8 minutes ago Butterfield from #htafc to #dcfc is on - could take most of dayanyone else wondering if we'll bugger it up? If that happens and we run out of time to get replacement in I'm gonna be f**king livid. might be a deliberate ploy by Town so than can claim they didn't have time to buy new players ?...maybe I'm just being mean tho'...
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Post by detox on Sept 1, 2015 11:48:52 GMT 1
actually Dean said the Coady money made us break even, so the Smithies money was available for Powell...and maybe a chunk of the Butters money too.. well, I think that's what he meant.. I was not there but I find it very hard to believe that he said we would break even on the back of selling Coady. And if he did say that I find it even harder to believe that he will be proved right. The figure of £2m loss was quoted by dean, but not 100% sure if that was pre or post the Coady sale - I wasn't there either - maybe someone who was can clarify...
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Post by niggled on Sept 1, 2015 11:57:22 GMT 1
He said the smithies money would be re invested in the squad, fees or wages, and that the Cody money meant we would only be losing about £2 million this year which he was happy with, he said every player has his price.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Sept 1, 2015 11:59:40 GMT 1
I was not there but I find it very hard to believe that he said we would break even on the back of selling Coady. And if he did say that I find it even harder to believe that he will be proved right. The figure of £2m loss was quoted by dean, but not 100% sure if that was pre or post the Coady sale - I wasn't there either - maybe someone who was can clarify... if you can find someone who was there who isnt in either camp, you will be doing well.. said before the chat with Dean that loads of people would remember things differently and would have lots of 'off the record' comments from Dean to pop on this site..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 11:59:54 GMT 1
Smithies money covered wages for the two loan signings last week?
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Post by ritchie on Sept 1, 2015 12:05:07 GMT 1
Can i just make a point that Smithies for nearly 2 million and Butters for now rumored to be 5 million equates to 7 million with the running costs for the season alleged to be 5 million prob alot less now Smithies wages are off the bill and prob those of JV aswell by the end of today, So DH has more than covered the running costs of the club this season with the transfers so far, If and it's a big if people are asking for him to spend in Jan etc he currently has a 2 million chest to spend further more we shouldn't read comments on here saying DH is supporting the club out of his own pocket blah blah blah because he cert won't be supporting the club financially this year. Well for a start the payments will be structured - we wont just have 7m fired over as a bank transfer.... so hoyle might well be supporting the club out of his pocket! Not to mention the fact we're probably still paying installments on players we've signed in other windows This will put us in a good position though
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Post by colnevalleyblue on Sept 1, 2015 12:05:25 GMT 1
actually Dean said the Coady money made us break even, so the Smithies money was available for Powell...and maybe a chunk of the Butters money too.. well, I think that's what he meant.. I was not there but I find it very hard to believe that he said we would break even on the back of selling Coady. And if he did say that I find it even harder to believe that he will be proved right. He said we are moving closer to breaking even but will be making a loss of around £2 million which he is happy to pay off. He went on to say that with previous transfer deals and money owed to us that we are on course to have similar losses for next couple of seasons, this wasn’t accounting for the Smithies transfer, which was promised to be reinvested.
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Post by niggled on Sept 1, 2015 12:06:32 GMT 1
The figure of £2m loss was quoted by dean, but not 100% sure if that was pre or post the Coady sale - I wasn't there either - maybe someone who was can clarify... if you can find someone who was there who isnt in either camp, you will be doing well.. said before the chat with Dean that loads of people would remember things differently and would have lots of 'off the record' comments from Dean to pop on this site.. I was there, I didn,t know I had to be in a camp. I just thought it best that I listen to what he had to say rather than most of the twisted shite on here. And then make up my own mind. Fwiw. £4 million plus is too good to turn down imho.
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Post by ritchie on Sept 1, 2015 12:07:55 GMT 1
If that happens and we run out of time to get replacement in I'm gonna be f**king livid. might be a deliberate ploy by Town so than can claim they didn't have time to buy new players ?...maybe I'm just being mean tho'... why would it? you realise hoyle wants us to do well? and given there will be money available why wouldnt we want to spend
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Post by haveitback on Sept 1, 2015 12:07:57 GMT 1
Can i just make a point that Smithies for nearly 2 million and Butters for now rumored to be 5 million equates to 7 million with the running costs for the season alleged to be 5 million prob alot less now Smithies wages are off the bill and prob those of JV aswell by the end of today, So DH has more than covered the running costs of the club this season with the transfers so far, If and it's a big if people are asking for him to spend in Jan etc he currently has a 2 million chest to spend further more we shouldn't read comments on here saying DH is supporting the club out of his own pocket blah blah blah because he cert won't be supporting the club financially this year. Well for a start the payments will be structured - we wont just have 7m fired over as a bank transfer.... so hoyle might well be supporting the club out of his pocket! Not to mention the fact we're probably still paying installments on players we've signed in other windows This will put us in a good position though I did like most other footy fans already know this, But thanks, It's still money coming in that wasn't here previously and lower wages on the current squad also.
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Post by Hammy (still in Golcar) on Sept 1, 2015 12:11:08 GMT 1
Town refuse to comment on butterfield deal....SSN.
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Post by detox on Sept 1, 2015 12:11:59 GMT 1
I was not there but I find it very hard to believe that he said we would break even on the back of selling Coady. And if he did say that I find it even harder to believe that he will be proved right. He said we are moving closer to breaking even but will be making a loss of around £2 million which he is happy to pay off. He went on to say that with previous transfer deals and money owed to us that we are on course to have similar losses for next couple of seasons, this wasn’t accounting for the Smithies transfer, which was promised to be reinvested. cheers for that...we're almost solvent then..and if he's happy to carry the £2m's the next few years the full £7m from Smithies and Butters is available for players...loan or purchase...but including their wages..that's 4 players on £10k pw costing £1.25m each ?
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Post by 4 pts on Sept 1, 2015 12:12:51 GMT 1
If 5 mil is the fee, I wouldn't be surprised at all if DH has tailored this deal to include a couple mil more when and if Derby reach the promised land. This season the premium prices of player fees within the championship is bewildering. When a side such as Bristol City albeit with a huge backer can seemly pull a 9 mil bid out of thin air for Gray, a player who imo is worth nowhere near that figure I'm sure Deano will have taken note. With Borini going for £10mm - Burnley may have stolen Gray for £9mm Agree godshot, Borini is one of those that on his day looks great but those are few and far between. For the majority he looks feckin awful. In terms of Gray, I would say that Burnley would have paid less than half of that if BC hadn't gone in with such a ludicrous figure. Currently Gray only has one season of Championship experience under his belt and although it was great start he hasn't got the 4 to 5 yrs record of a Rhodes type goalscorer. With all that said who would have thought a fews years back 8 and 11 mil between 2 Championship clubs would ever happen. The football league has gone crazy
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Post by niggled on Sept 1, 2015 12:15:51 GMT 1
That's per year , most would be wanting three year deals so that's another ££ 4 million in wages
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Sept 1, 2015 12:17:37 GMT 1
Smithies money covered wages for the two loan signings last week? Surely those wages were covered by the season long loans we had last season that expired in May; Robinson/James and Majewski
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 12:19:18 GMT 1
More than 5 million for Butterfield? Can't turn that down. However, we simply must invest that into the squad before the window shuts. Once we've spent some of the almost £2M of the Smithies money of course... Loans don't count.
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