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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 20:18:25 GMT 1
10 minutes ago, simsdcfc said: Is this guy what we need ? Well our centre mids are dropping like flies so I'd say yes, a centre mid is definitely what we need What do Town need then ? A great big fucking hole to burry you and Galpharm2400 in
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 31, 2015 20:21:49 GMT 1
10 minutes ago, simsdcfc said: Is this guy what we need ? Well our centre mids are dropping like flies so I'd say yes, a centre mid is definitely what we need What do Town need then ? A great big fucking hole to burry you and Galpharm2400 in Why pal, I'm as annoyed as anyone, calm it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 20:22:29 GMT 1
disappointed to see him go ( if this is true) but the realities of the situation are that our strategy is to buy players then sell them on for large profit. This is the only way we can financially make up for the crap support this town and area gives its championship football club. 2 facts to consider- 1-Its a strategy that has worked well so far. 2- Its the only strategy we have. Crap support to match the crap football team that have struggled for 3 years now with no change of fortunes on the horizon. I might be clueless or you might be clueless, because opinions are subjective - however them gate receipts are not, they are objective. And I'd say they seem to correlate to what a lot of fans are feeling about the club. People still don't seem to realise that football is about enjoyment, not what league you're in. Tell me that with our 0 wins from 5 and 3 goals scored we are enjoyable and value for the £25+ That the walk-ups pay (who have dropped off) and i'll find you a welder who could borrow your rose-tinted specs to do his work with.
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Post by softboy on Aug 31, 2015 20:23:32 GMT 1
We buy Coady for aroung £300k and sell him for £2m. We buy Butterfield for £800k and potentially sell him for £3.5m. Both within 12 months or so. God help DH if we get say £3m for somebody like dempsey in a couple of years time. To save all this hassle we couple of course get a couple of hasbeens in on loan and use all our money on there wages. I would say that DH seems prepared to put in £3m or so per annum - so those who are against the sale of Coady, Butterfield (and the next one) where exactly do you see the remaining £5m or so needed each year to keep the club afloat - sunny or wonga loans perhaps!
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Post by rocky on Aug 31, 2015 20:31:00 GMT 1
disappointed to see him go ( if this is true) but the realities of the situation are that our strategy is to buy players then sell them on for large profit. This is the only way we can financially make up for the crap support this town and area gives its championship football club. 2 facts to consider- 1-Its a strategy that has worked well so far. 2- Its the only strategy we have. Spot on. It's blindingly obvious to most sensible people, but no matter how many times this is explained, there will always be those who question it. 'No ambition' is my favourite - priceless.
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Post by workshyfop on Aug 31, 2015 20:32:44 GMT 1
Why are people more concerned with Dean Hoyle's personal wealth than the success of Town as a football team? I find it a bit weird.
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Post by htafc on Aug 31, 2015 20:33:01 GMT 1
We are going to league 1 selling our best players not replacing with quality.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 20:33:50 GMT 1
We buy Coady for aroung £300k and sell him for £2m. We buy Butterfield for £800k and potentially sell him for £3.5m. Both within 12 months or so. God help DH if we get say £3m for somebody like dempsey in a couple of years time. To save all this hassle we couple of course get a couple of hasbeens in on loan and use all our money on there wages. I would say that DH seems prepared to put in £3m or so per annum - so those who are against the sale of Coady, Butterfield (and the next one) where exactly do you see the remaining £5m or so needed each year to keep the club afloat - sunny or wonga loans perhaps! At the moment we're looking at making a profit this year and trying out best at getting relegated in doing so. Your choice....
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Aug 31, 2015 20:33:55 GMT 1
We buy Coady for aroung £300k £375k and sell him for £2m. We buy Butterfield for £800k £300k and potentially sell him for £3.5m. Both within 12 months or so. God help DH if we get say £3m for somebody like dempsey in a couple of years time. To save all this hassle we couple of course get a couple of hasbeens in on loan and use all our money on there wages. I would say that DH seems prepared to put in £3m or so per annum - so those who are against the sale of Coady, Butterfield (and the next one) where exactly do you see the remaining £5m or so needed each year to keep the club afloat - sunny or wonga loans perhaps! I agree with your sentiiment but let's get the signing fees correct. source: DH Canalside meeting introducing Powell DH: "We got £1.5m for Clayton, plus add ons, and got Butterfield for £300k" DH: "We paid £375k for Coady, and a nominal fee for Hudson. I think we've done well. Who needs a manager "
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Aug 31, 2015 20:34:13 GMT 1
We are going to league 1 selling our best players not replacing with quality. Don't be silly, Jose Semedo is lined up.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 20:37:13 GMT 1
Shame Rodolph Austin can't get a work permit, would love him here. Out of interest, why wouldn't he get a permit? He's captain of his country?! www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33721957Seems bizarre and extremely unfair on him. Been here for 3 years and clearly could get a full time job in the country whilst providing a service and being an 'idol' to some. No idea how all these migration laws work though so I won't pretend I do!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 20:37:56 GMT 1
We are going to league 1 selling our best players not replacing with quality. We sold Norwood and replaced with Coady, we sold Clayton and replaced with Butterfield was that not quality? Why not wait and see who comes in before showing the white flag?
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Post by Solid Snake on Aug 31, 2015 20:41:49 GMT 1
I'd hope we'd get more than £3.5m - they're desperate for him. £4.0m min + the bits we'll never see. I don't see £3.5m plus add ons which may get to £4.0m as a good deal as much as we may have pushed back to start with in context of the market, how much they want him etc. It shouldn't affect our own signings - our focus should be on spending "a substantial part" of the Coady / Smithies money ie of £3.5m on a 1st choice striker and defender. The Butterfield deal is a second priority - Anyhow I don't know what you're on about "We're not a selling club" - Dean Hoyle, January 2009. Agreed. They've been on a relentless pursuit for most of the transfer window. Realistically I think that we should be getting 4+ at least.
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Post by Detective Boyle on Aug 31, 2015 20:59:41 GMT 1
Anyone know if Boro have a sizeable sell-on %?
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Post by waltzingthecowshed on Aug 31, 2015 21:01:13 GMT 1
disappointed to see him go ( if this is true) but the realities of the situation are that our strategy is to buy players then sell them on for large profit. This is the only way we can financially make up for the crap support this town and area gives its championship football club. 2 facts to consider- 1-Its a strategy that has worked well so far. 2- Its the only strategy we have. Crap support to match the crap football team that have struggled for 3 years now with no change of fortunes on the horizon. I might be clueless or you might be clueless, because opinions are subjective - however them gate receipts are not, they are objective. And I'd say they seem to correlate to what a lot of fans are feeling about the club. People still don't seem to realise that football is about enjoyment, not what league you're in. Tell me that with our 0 wins from 5 and 3 goals scored we are enjoyable and value for the £25+ That the walk-ups pay (who have dropped off) and i'll find you a welder who could borrow your rose-tinted specs to do his work with. When safe last season we had 7/8 games of a more entertaining more 'cavalier' approach from the management and players, ok we didnt win all these games but it gave us hope for the new season,we even drew the game with Derby 4-4 and CP had everyone with him. So pre-season we sell our young starlet Coady and are on the verge of selling Butterfield it remains to be seen if the void left will be filled. They dangled a carrot that has been taken away in the pisspoor negative approach in the 5 games so far this season. We've been in all the games despite this approach and with a bit more adventure we could ave had 3 wins imo. Continue with this approach , especially the 2 holding midfielders atr your peril
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Aug 31, 2015 21:12:55 GMT 1
If all this is true (and thus far the only "evidence" comes from the Derby equivalent of DATM), then it is disappointing. I did have a feeling Derby might come back with an improved offer after L**ds ripped them a new one and Butterfield did the same to QPR's expensive midfield...(bar the result, sadly)
But, we've been here before and come back stronger and there's no reason we can't again. Hoyle has the best interests of the club at heart, and is just about the only chairman in the division who isn't ignoring the FFP rules. Sooner or later the FL will start applying meaningful punishments for those breaches (think significant fines and points deductions) at which point we'll be laughing.
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Post by bigfatmonkey on Aug 31, 2015 21:16:52 GMT 1
Out of interest, why wouldn't he get a permit? He's captain of his country?! www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33721957Seems bizarre and extremely unfair on him. Been here for 3 years and clearly could get a full time job in the country whilst providing a service and being an 'idol' to some. No idea how all these migration laws work though so I won't pretend I do! Very harsh and unfair! What a stupid rule. So George Weah wouldn't have been able to play here when he was the best player in the world?!
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Post by 3Pipe on Aug 31, 2015 21:19:49 GMT 1
Hoyle has the best interests of the club at heart, and is just about the only chairman in the division who isn't ignoring the FFP rules. Sooner or later the FL will start applying meaningful punishments for those breaches (think significant fines and points deductions) at which point we'll be laughing. Wishful thinking I'm afraid.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Aug 31, 2015 21:23:43 GMT 1
Crap support to match the crap football team that have struggled for 3 years now with no change of fortunes on the horizon. I might be clueless or you might be clueless, because opinions are subjective - however them gate receipts are not, they are objective. And I'd say they seem to correlate to what a lot of fans are feeling about the club. People still don't seem to realise that football is about enjoyment, not what league you're in. Tell me that with our 0 wins from 5 and 3 goals scored we are enjoyable and value for the £25+ That the walk-ups pay (who have dropped off) and i'll find you a welder who could borrow your rose-tinted specs to do his work with. When safe last season we had 7/8 games of a more entertaining more 'cavalier' approach from the management and players, ok we didnt win all these games but it gave us hope for the new season,we even drew the game with Derby 4-4 and CP had everyone with him. So pre-season we sell our young starlet Coady and are on the verge of selling Butterfield it remains to be seen if the void left will be filled. They dangled a carrot that has been taken away in the pisspoor negative approach in the 5 games so far this season. We've been in all the games despite this approach and with a bit more adventure we could ave had 3 wins imo. Continue with this approach , especially the 2 holding midfielders atr your peril I said something similar on another thread. If we'd continued with the same approach as we finished last season the mood could have been so much better.
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Post by Oblong of Dreams on Aug 31, 2015 21:27:12 GMT 1
Hoyle has the best interests of the club at heart, and is just about the only chairman in the division who isn't ignoring the FFP rules. Sooner or later the FL will start applying meaningful punishments for those breaches (think significant fines and points deductions) at which point we'll be laughing. Wishful thinking I'm afraid. Probably right, but it's the only way of not getting flamed to cinders on here these days!
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Post by 3Pipe on Aug 31, 2015 21:31:30 GMT 1
Probably right, but it's the only way of not getting flamed to cinders on here these days! Just speak your mind man, not what some folk might want to hear.
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Aug 31, 2015 21:34:57 GMT 1
What interests me the most at the moment are the player/s the club might have got lined up to replace any player/s known to be on their way out . It would not surprise me if a large proportion of any incoming money received would be re invested by the club to bring in more in the way of QUANTITY instead of quality , and this might keep the club policy ball rolling of buying cheap players to develop and sell on.
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Post by richhtfc on Aug 31, 2015 21:35:44 GMT 1
disappointed to see him go ( if this is true) but the realities of the situation are that our strategy is to buy players then sell them on for large profit. This is the only way we can financially make up for the crap support this town and area gives its championship football club. 2 facts to consider- 1-Its a strategy that has worked well so far. 2- Its the only strategy we have. Crap support to match the crap football team that have struggled for 3 years now with no change of fortunes on the horizon. I might be clueless or you might be clueless, because opinions are subjective - however them gate receipts are not, they are objective. And I'd say they seem to correlate to what a lot of fans are feeling about the club. People still don't seem to realise that football is about enjoyment, not what league you're in. Tell me that with our 0 wins from 5 and 3 goals scored we are enjoyable and value for the £25+ That the walk-ups pay (who have dropped off) and i'll find you a welder who could borrow your rose-tinted specs to do his work with. If everything is as dire as you suggest, presumably you'd welcome wholesale change like what is happening?
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Aug 31, 2015 21:55:20 GMT 1
What interests me the most at the moment are the player/s the club might have got lined up to replace any player/s known to be on their way out . It would not surprise me if a large proportion of any incoming money received would be re invested by the club to bring in more in the way of QUANTITY instead of quality , and this might keep the club policy ball rolling of buying cheap players to develop and sell on. Got it in one there Sugy, buy two get one free!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 21:59:49 GMT 1
Crap support to match the crap football team that have struggled for 3 years now with no change of fortunes on the horizon. I might be clueless or you might be clueless, because opinions are subjective - however them gate receipts are not, they are objective. And I'd say they seem to correlate to what a lot of fans are feeling about the club. People still don't seem to realise that football is about enjoyment, not what league you're in. Tell me that with our 0 wins from 5 and 3 goals scored we are enjoyable and value for the £25+ That the walk-ups pay (who have dropped off) and i'll find you a welder who could borrow your rose-tinted specs to do his work with. If everything is as dire as you suggest, presumably you'd welcome wholesale change like what is happening? I have no qualms about how we as a club go about our business. I would say however that we seemed to have changed tactics recently, in that we used to sell our best players for profit after they had made a lasting contribution to our club, and were here just long enough to enter into a debate as to whether they belong in lists alongside some of our club legends. Now we're at a 12 month turnaround. Will we ever have another legend, someone to make a flag or song about that we can tell the next generation about? In 10 years will we be telling younger ones that we did a great bit of business with that player, or that a legend donned the famous blue and white stripes and made us proud. Will anyone have long enough to do that?
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Post by kingofgolcar on Aug 31, 2015 22:09:45 GMT 1
If everything is as dire as you suggest, presumably you'd welcome wholesale change like what is happening? I have no qualms about how we as a club go about our business. I would say however that we seemed to have changed tactics recently, in that we used to sell our best players for profit after they had made a lasting contribution to our club, and were here just long enough to enter into a debate as to whether they belong in lists alongside some of our club legends. Now we're at a 12 month turnaround. Will we ever have another legend, someone to make a flag or song about that we can tell the next generation about? In 10 years will we be telling younger ones that we did a great bit of business with that player, or that a legend donned the famous blue and white stripes and made us proud. Will anyone have long enough to do that? We gone on about Dennis law how long was he here?
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Post by richhtfc on Aug 31, 2015 22:10:57 GMT 1
If everything is as dire as you suggest, presumably you'd welcome wholesale change like what is happening? I have no qualms about how we as a club go about our business. I would say however that we seemed to have changed tactics recently, in that we used to sell our best players for profit after they had made a lasting contribution to our club, and were here just long enough to enter into a debate as to whether they belong in lists alongside some of our club legends. Now we're at a 12 month turnaround. Will we ever have another legend, someone to make a flag or song about that we can tell the next generation about? In 10 years will we be telling younger ones that we did a great bit of business with that player, or that a legend donned the famous blue and white stripes and made us proud. Will anyone have long enough to do that? I think we are being true to a pragmatic plan which has fairly strict principles, a central one being that every player has their value and that large profit is more valuable for our future fortunes as a club than squad continuity is. In some respects we're being too good at picking out prospects and wheeling and dealing or players would be sticking round longer. I think the rough idea is to raise the overall quality incrementally until such a point that we have the quality/depth and resources (ie we're finishing mid to lower top of table to have a proper punt at promotion). Maybe this will never happen, but I'd take stability in this league versus the crash and burn tactics of the past, even if it means we have to lose a favourite or two every season.
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Post by Big Ern on Aug 31, 2015 22:11:37 GMT 1
No, he didn't. He said that EVERY PLAYER has his price. Why can't people understand this simple fact? Because they don't want to. No matter how many times Hoyle (or Powell for that matter) says something, there will always be those with their 'let's rip into the club at every opportunity' agenda, who try & change it into something completely different. I wish I had spent the last 100 quid on dancing lessons for my daughter instead of on the club because quite frankly comments like yours are doing my fucking head in. I don't crush the club at every opportunity I actually spend what I can on them but this season it's selling our best players, negative football and no fucking wins. Keep talking about supporters as though they are rats but some of us fuckers actually skint ourselves to follow them and right now I feel betrayed.
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Post by thomo on Aug 31, 2015 22:13:02 GMT 1
I have no qualms about how we as a club go about our business. I would say however that we seemed to have changed tactics recently, in that we used to sell our best players for profit after they had made a lasting contribution to our club, and were here just long enough to enter into a debate as to whether they belong in lists alongside some of our club legends. Now we're at a 12 month turnaround. Will we ever have another legend, someone to make a flag or song about that we can tell the next generation about? In 10 years will we be telling younger ones that we did a great bit of business with that player, or that a legend donned the famous blue and white stripes and made us proud. Will anyone have long enough to do that? I think we are being true to a pragmatic plan which has fairly strict principles, a central one being that every player has their value and that large profit is more valuable for our future fortunes as a club than squad continuity is. In some respects we're being too good at picking out prospects and wheeling and dealing or players would be sticking round longer. I think the rough idea is to raise the overall quality incrementally until such a point that we have the quality/depth and resources (ie we're finishing mid to lower top of table to have a proper punt at promotion). Maybe this will never happen, but I'd take stability in this league versus the crash and burn tactics of the past, even if it means we have to lose a favourite or two every season. All well and good but if we do get relegated or even fail to progress the whole plan comes crashing down. I can see us down to crowds of 6000 in league 1 after this.
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Post by jimmythebulldog on Aug 31, 2015 22:16:00 GMT 1
As I reflect on this whole thread...
The best part of it is the whole massive illogical rambling thread is based off someone saying 'I heard we accepted 3.5.....' with zero foundation or credibility.
That's the true madness of the transfer deadline - and I love it
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