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Post by mightyterrier on Aug 31, 2015 22:16:14 GMT 1
9 pages of speculation then?
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Post by richhtfc on Aug 31, 2015 22:17:14 GMT 1
I think we are being true to a pragmatic plan which has fairly strict principles, a central one being that every player has their value and that large profit is more valuable for our future fortunes as a club than squad continuity is. In some respects we're being too good at picking out prospects and wheeling and dealing or players would be sticking round longer. I think the rough idea is to raise the overall quality incrementally until such a point that we have the quality/depth and resources (ie we're finishing mid to lower top of table to have a proper punt at promotion). Maybe this will never happen, but I'd take stability in this league versus the crash and burn tactics of the past, even if it means we have to lose a favourite or two every season. All well and good but if we do get relegated or even fail to progress the whole plan comes crashing down. I can see us down to crowds of 6000 in league 1 after this. All well and good but the evidence of the last few seasons suggests the plan is working.
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Post by ACW on Aug 31, 2015 22:18:22 GMT 1
disappointed to see him go ( if this is true) but the realities of the situation are that our strategy is to buy players then sell them on for large profit. This is the only way we can financially make up for the crap support this town and area gives its championship football club. 2 facts to consider- 1-Its a strategy that has worked well so far. 2- Its the only strategy we have. Spot on. It's blindingly obvious to most sensible people, but no matter how many times this is explained, there will always be those who question it. 'No ambition' is my favourite - priceless. I can accept the strategy - it has indeed worked and the club have been pretty honest about it. In general I can see the logic behind it and support it. The reality of our situation dictates we follow this road. Regarding Butterfield in particular I am really concerned however. He is the creative heartbeat of the team. We have so little creativity and goal threat I am really concerned about losing a big part of it. Hopefully the two new lads will fill the void, or we will bring in some new players, but losing Butterfield for me is a big, big loss. I'm not saying he's a superstar, but in our team at the moment we depend on him for creative quality - too much you may argue, but that's the reality. If he goes he goes - hopefully for a tidy profit - but if he does it is absolutely imperative we replace his creativity.
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Post by thomo on Aug 31, 2015 22:26:20 GMT 1
All well and good but if we do get relegated or even fail to progress the whole plan comes crashing down. I can see us down to crowds of 6000 in league 1 after this. All well and good but the evidence of the last few seasons suggests the plan is working. And I really hope it does. But I don't recall us selling 3 of our better players in one season before. I'm worried we've gone too far this time. We've already had a shocking start to the season, replacements must be brought in and hit the ground quickly so we can get at least 2 wins in the next 4 games.
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Post by richhtfc on Aug 31, 2015 22:34:06 GMT 1
All well and good but the evidence of the last few seasons suggests the plan is working. And I really hope it does. But I don't recall us selling 3 of our better players in one season before. I'm worried we've gone too far this time. We've already had a shocking start to the season, replacements must be brought in and hit the ground quickly so we can get at least 2 wins in the next 4 games. Don't disagree, it's a big gamble. Seems the clubs plan is being really tested because we're being very successful at finding prospects/adding value. Considering even with Butterfield we're slightly lacking I think on balance the money looks more useful to our future plans than the player, let's see who comes in and how we look in a few months.
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Post by Russlad on Aug 31, 2015 22:34:42 GMT 1
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Post by rocky on Aug 31, 2015 22:37:01 GMT 1
Because they don't want to. No matter how many times Hoyle (or Powell for that matter) says something, there will always be those with their 'let's rip into the club at every opportunity' agenda, who try & change it into something completely different. I wish I had spent the last 100 quid on dancing lessons for my daughter instead of on the club because quite frankly comments like yours are doing my fucking head in. I don't crush the club at every opportunity I actually spend what I can on them but this season it's selling our best players, negative football and no fucking wins. Keep talking about supporters as though they are rats but some of us fuckers actually skint ourselves to follow them and right now I feel betrayed. I didn't say you did, so calm down. My earlier post referred to people totally misrepresenting what DH said at the Q&A session. I was there & I heard what he said. If you're going to have a go at me for pointing out the truth, so be it.
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Post by pstarbuckscoffee on Aug 31, 2015 22:42:09 GMT 1
Just heard 4-5 players in. Buxton & Patterson included. But you just said that Hoyle has told Powell to buy wingers as he has to play Wells. So, just by definition - I make you a bullshitter.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 22:49:00 GMT 1
Just heard 4-5 players in. Buxton & Patterson included. But you just said that Hoyle has told Powell to buy wingers as he has to play Wells. So, just by definition - I make you a bullshitter. I'm just telling you what I was told.
No fact, no promise, no bullshit. Just face value.
So by definition - I make you a c***.
If you want to dispute, lets talk about it face to face. PM me, Keyboard Warrior.
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Post by Big Ern on Aug 31, 2015 22:51:11 GMT 1
I wish I had spent the last 100 quid on dancing lessons for my daughter instead of on the club because quite frankly comments like yours are doing my fucking head in. I don't crush the club at every opportunity I actually spend what I can on them but this season it's selling our best players, negative football and no fucking wins. Keep talking about supporters as though they are rats but some of us fuckers actually skint ourselves to follow them and right now I feel betrayed. I didn't say you did, so calm down. My earlier post referred to people totally misrepresenting what DH said at the Q&A session. I was there & I heard what he said. If you're going to have a go at me for pointing out the truth, so be it. Sorry Rocky but your post is aimed at negative posters in general. It is fact that those pay on the day customers never mind the season ticket holders are getting sod all value for money at the minute but the excuse is always that we can't compete!!! It's a load of bollocks it's just tactics!
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 31, 2015 22:54:12 GMT 1
I really enjoyed Saturday's game .. and who ever Said we can't compete ,? It's a myth perpetuated by you and arterrier
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Post by drfootball on Aug 31, 2015 22:57:51 GMT 1
All well and good but the evidence of the last few seasons suggests the plan is working. And I really hope it does. But I don't recall us selling 3 of our better players in one season before. I'm worried we've gone too far this time. We've already had a shocking start to the season, replacements must be brought in and hit the ground quickly so we can get at least 2 wins in the next 4 games. I'm not normally doom and gloom but I've only been watching town 10 years but feels pendulum swung too far this year , we've reinvested peanuts and with 1 day to go still need a CB and a striker the same as we did 12 months ago only then we had Coady , Butterfiekd , Vaughn and Smithies to help out and now errrrrr we don't
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 22:58:55 GMT 1
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Post by pstarbuckscoffee on Aug 31, 2015 23:01:29 GMT 1
We are going to league 1 selling our best players not replacing with quality. Ok, that's short... and where's the point? We haven't signed replacements yet as he hasn't even handed over his Town towel back to the kitman, he's still packing away the photo of himself and Terry the Terrier into his HTAFC bum-bag - and packing away his Town Gnome and Onesie! Once his tears have melted away, as he crosses the 'Scott Sellers' bridge - and into his Top of the Range motor, he will compose himself when his agent texts him and says 'Ok, Jacob. Now you've made it to the car, you can stop all that shit. Coz you is doubling your salary....yee, fucking haaaa! Adios losers!!' We've already got Huws and Carayol - who are good by all accounts (Huws definitely is - not seen Carayol). Bound to be activity tomorrow...Paterson is an excellent player, almost had him last time. Anyone else, with Huws already In is a bonus. Part of the enjoyment of watching footy is the new players coming in! Just like Butts and all before him. Short memories people, short memories...
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Post by rocky on Aug 31, 2015 23:03:28 GMT 1
I didn't say you did, so calm down. My earlier post referred to people totally misrepresenting what DH said at the Q&A session. I was there & I heard what he said. If you're going to have a go at me for pointing out the truth, so be it. Sorry Rocky but your post is aimed at negative posters in general. It is fact that those pay on the day customers never mind the season ticket holders are getting sod all value for money at the minute but the excuse is always that we can't compete!!! It's a load of bollocks it's just tactics! Suppose 'value for money' is a difficult one. For me, it's about results first & entertainment a distant second, though at the moment, we ain't getting either! I know what you mean about money as I've been to every league game so far & Fulham cost me an arm & a leg, as it was a weekender. That's not what we were on about though. Too many people change what actually has been said & put their own negative spin on it. Can't see the point of that. Anyway, one thing we'll agree on is that things don't look very rosey at the moment.
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Post by Big Ern on Aug 31, 2015 23:08:45 GMT 1
I really enjoyed Saturday's game .. and who ever Said we can't compete ,? It's a myth perpetuated by you and arterrier Let me think. WTD, Rocky, Capnslapper. I could go on! In their eyes we should be god damn greatful to be where we are and to grace the field with the likes of QPR is a miracle. No way could we have expected more than a point at home to QPR because the wage budgets just don't summise!
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Post by mightyterrier on Aug 31, 2015 23:10:51 GMT 1
But you just said that Hoyle has told Powell to buy wingers as he has to play Wells. So, just by definition - I make you a bullshitter. I'm just telling you what I was told.
No fact, no promise, no bullshit. Just face value.
So by definition - I make you a c***.
If you want to dispute, lets talk about it face to face. PM me, Keyboard Warrior.
Calm down fella you will get yourself a ban and let's face it this place could be comedy gold over the next 24 hours or so
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 31, 2015 23:12:00 GMT 1
Think again.. Cos you're taking bollocks .. Doesn't matter what your ever changing moniker is , the end product is always the same
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Post by pstarbuckscoffee on Aug 31, 2015 23:12:43 GMT 1
But you just said that Hoyle has told Powell to buy wingers as he has to play Wells. So, just by definition - I make you a bullshitter. I'm just telling you what I was told.
No fact, no promise, no bullshit. Just face value.
So by definition - I make you a c***.
If you want to dispute, lets talk about it face to face. PM me, Keyboard Warrior.
So, are you saying that Hoyle has said to Powell that Nahki has to play all the time regardless of who we are playing or whatever formation he chooses to play? And that he can't sign any strikers cos we need wingers? If that is what you have heard, then fine. However, do you really think this is true? Honestly? Re the c***-ness of me. Yes. You are probably right. I'll take that. Keyboard Warrior? Not really. Just like pointing out what makes sense and what doesn't.
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Post by Big Ern on Aug 31, 2015 23:13:37 GMT 1
Sorry Rocky but your post is aimed at negative posters in general. It is fact that those pay on the day customers never mind the season ticket holders are getting sod all value for money at the minute but the excuse is always that we can't compete!!! It's a load of bollocks it's just tactics! Suppose 'value for money' is a difficult one. For me, it's about results first & entertainment a distant second, though at the moment, we ain't getting either! I know what you mean about money as I've been to every league game so far & Fulham cost me an arm & a leg, as it was a weekender. That's not what we were on about though. Too many people change what actually has been said & put their own negative spin on it. Can't see the point of that. Anyway, one thing we'll agree on is that things don't look very rosey at the moment. Fair do's Rocky. I say exact what I see which is why in my opinion Smith went from Woeful to decent in the last 2 games. No agendas here just a genuine fan who wants the best. We bought a young kid from Kidderminster and all I want Is for him to be given a chance. I'm hardly a demanding fan.
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Post by Big Ern on Aug 31, 2015 23:21:09 GMT 1
Think again.. Cos you're taking bollocks .. Doesn't matter what your ever changing moniker is , the end product is always the same What specifically am I talking bollocks about out of interest?
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 31, 2015 23:22:44 GMT 1
Think again.. Cos you're taking bollocks .. Doesn't matter what your ever changing moniker is , the end product is always the same What specifically am I talking bollocks about out of interest? That three decent posters have ever said we can't compete
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Aug 31, 2015 23:27:17 GMT 1
I really enjoyed Saturday's game .. and who ever Said we can't compete ,? It's a myth perpetuated by you and arterrier Ha ha bollocks, I'm not perpetuating any type of myth. The game was lost and we had one shot on target, I'd hardly call that competing although we were the better team.
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Post by Big Ern on Aug 31, 2015 23:30:17 GMT 1
What specifically am I talking bollocks about out of interest? That three decent posters have ever said we can't compete If I said my wife had put on a few pounds then in reality I would be calling her a fatty. You can say 2 different things but the meaning is still the same. The posters who constantly remind us of where we are in relation to other clubs in this league financially are actually saying that we should finish in the table where our finances allow.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Aug 31, 2015 23:32:25 GMT 1
That three decent posters have ever said we can't compete If I said my wife had put on a few pounds then in reality I would be calling her a fatty. You can say 2 different things but the meaning is still the same. The posters who constantly remind us of where we are in relation to other clubs in this league financially are actually saying that we should finish in the table where our finances allow. No one says we "should" .. but if we do should it be any surprise ? .. as I say you're talking bollocks .. cos like art you make assumptions but can't actually find any quotes to back up your claims
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Aug 31, 2015 23:45:56 GMT 1
I very much doubt that Mr Hoyle is doing all this " player transfer business " for a bit of fun, especially as vital funds need to be found to make up a shortfall in club income. Many fans seem to forget that Mr Hoyle is bailing the club out from his own pocket season after season, and need to ask themselves " who financially " has the most to loose if the club gets relegated. We as supporters of the club need to back what ever our leader is trying to achieve, and always good to know that Mr Hoyle did not get where he is today without having such amazing business skills.
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Post by ritchie on Aug 31, 2015 23:48:24 GMT 1
Would hope for at least 4. but anything near 3+ would be 'great' business on paper in fairness..
However given the game isnt played on paper, and relegation is a threat, we will need to seriously strengthen with it though..as we dont even look amazing with him at the moment, and he's our best player
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Post by 4 head on Aug 31, 2015 23:56:14 GMT 1
Looks like this is happening now, again it's not bad business financially but finding a replacement in such a short space of time is going to be extremely difficult. I think if Butterfield does go we will do very well to survive. Shame ![thumbsdown](//storage.proboards.com/2448479/images/BYoy8BiWvnb3TQDRAi3l.gif)
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