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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2015 14:40:44 GMT 1
When I got back in the boozer for a couple of pots after the game it was full of lads playing Doms and Cards, Town could have charged a fiver and these lads wouldn't have missed their indoor pub sports night.
Thursdays are not a night for playing Football or Rugby league, Crowds always seem to be shite wherever they are and whatever the price.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2015 14:43:20 GMT 1
The reality is football is too expensive particularly in the current climate. Those who say you can't compete if you offer cheap tickets, look at what's happening in Germany. Better matchday experience for a fraction of the cost. But a consequence of that is that since the year 2000, Germany has had more professional football clubs, and also more 'ex top flight football clubs' go out of business and cease to exist than any other country in Europe. Do we want that??? It might be good for the game (I think ultimately a smaller English professional game, with regionalisation starting a couple of levels higher than it currently is, *would* be better), but it would be very painful to see it happen, we're a bit precious about our football clubs, and tradition and all that....and I wouldn't want Town to disappear "for the good of the game".
Agree, Anything below the second tier should be regionalised imo.
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Post by gledholt terrier on Sept 25, 2015 14:43:37 GMT 1
When I got back in the boozer for a couple of pots after the game it was full of lads playing Doms and Cards, Town could have charged a fiver and these lads wouldn't have missed their indoor pub sports night. Thursdays are not a night for playing Football or Rugby league, Crowds always seem to be shite wherever they are and whatever the price. Didn't really see much difference between last night and a Tuesday night. And its a complete one off. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2015 14:51:09 GMT 1
fact is ONE fan coming back at a lower price does nothing for huddersfield town. for a price decrease of just £5 per game we would need to attract nearly 2000 Extra supporters. That is unrealistic. Not sure on your numbers. How many people pay on the day today?? Would be amazed if it's more than 750 on average, given there were supposedly less than 9000 home supporters ticketed for the Bolton game, and I'm sure season tickets (whether attended or not) counts for around 8700+ of that 9000 figure. Price going down by £5 on 750 folk would be a £3750 loss of revenue. Priced at £25 (roughly £5 off), the club would need to attract just 150 supporters to make up for that lost revenue. Grossly simplified of course. Would reducing by £5 down to £25 guarantee an extra couple hundred through the door?? Not sure. Quite possibly. Reducing by £10 down to £20 pay on the day. Those 750 people would contribute £7500 less. But at £20 in, we'd need to bring in an extra 375 fans to make up the difference. Would a £20 ticket price bring in 500 extra fans (without impacting on season ticket sales)?? No idea...but I'd attend more than I currently do, FOR CERTAIN. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2015 14:53:34 GMT 1
When I got back in the boozer for a couple of pots after the game it was full of lads playing Doms and Cards, Town could have charged a fiver and these lads wouldn't have missed their indoor pub sports night. Thursdays are not a night for playing Football or Rugby league, Crowds always seem to be shite wherever they are and whatever the price. Didn't really see much difference between last night and a Tuesday night. And its a complete one off.
We have not had a Tuesday game with a ticket price of £15 have we ?
If it was not on Sky and was not on the traditional Pub games night, More may well have attended.
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Post by gledholt terrier on Sept 25, 2015 14:55:56 GMT 1
Didn't really see much difference between last night and a Tuesday night. And its a complete one off.
We have not had a Tuesday game with a ticket price of £15 have we ?
If it was not on Sky and was not on the traditional Pub games night, More may well have attended.
The theory will be tested at the next home game - on a Tuesday night, not on Sky and for a tenner (not really up on pub game nights, but its certainly a new and quite exotic excuse for non attendees!) |
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Sept 25, 2015 14:57:10 GMT 1
I used to play doms and cards down the BDSM club . Ouch
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2015 14:59:01 GMT 1
Well this thread and Hoyles words in the press sum up my opinion in that we should be giving Leeds, Wendys etc etc half the Kilner as well as the South Stand.
Am afraid Hoyle is going to have to stomach another really cheap season ticket deal, ala Bradfords, And hope that many of the 16/17K who would buy them spend a bit in the ground and get hooked again, Otherwise he is fighting a losing battle with regard to Town increasing the regular attendees.
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Post by de1terrier on Sept 25, 2015 15:05:42 GMT 1
fact is ONE fan coming back at a lower price does nothing for huddersfield town. for a price decrease of just £5 per game we would need to attract nearly 2000 Extra supporters. That is unrealistic. Not sure on your numbers. How many people pay on the day today?? Would be amazed if it's more than 750 on average, given there were supposedly less than 9000 home supporters ticketed for the Bolton game, and I'm sure season tickets (whether attended or not) counts for around 8700+ of that 9000 figure. Price going down by £5 on 750 folk would be a £3750 loss of revenue. Priced at £25 (roughly £5 off), the club would need to attract just 150 supporters to make up for that lost revenue. Grossly simplified of course. Would reducing by £5 down to £25 guarantee an extra couple hundred through the door?? Not sure. Quite possibly. Reducing by £10 down to £20 pay on the day. Those 750 people would contribute £7500 less. But at £20 in, we'd need to bring in an extra 375 fans to make up the difference. Would a £20 ticket price bring in 500 extra fans (without impacting on season ticket sales)?? No idea...but I'd attend more than I currently do, FOR CERTAIN. of course you are right in your numbers. still would be unsustainable for the club which requires a certain amount of money to come in through the turnstiles. so yeh my numbers were wrong but id say it stands to reason we would STILL need more to show up for the club to be running at a sustainable level with ticket pricing down to £20 we need extra revenue not same level or less. so its simple for me, show up when you can your good in my book, dont show up at all (because of the cost) its all your choice but dont forget the club needs to make money to survive so if you cant guarentee your support they cant guarentee low prices |
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Post by de1terrier on Sept 25, 2015 15:09:50 GMT 1
how are fans being ripped off when the prices charged are IN GENERAL LESS than the fucking going rate you total asshat. Stay the fuck away we don't need nor want you I will happily pay more so I don't have to sit with twats like you.
Argh, The old going rate comparison, pfft.
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Post by stevvy on Sept 25, 2015 15:15:44 GMT 1
Just because something has a going rate doesn't mean having a price less than that isn't a rip off, just means it's lower than the going rate.
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Post by Tanzanian Terrier on Sept 25, 2015 15:17:50 GMT 1
www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/huddersfield/huddersfield-town-dire-warning-on-gates-from-chairman-hoyle-1-7480084?SIMPLE FACT DEAN! ITS TOO FUCKING EXPENSIVE TO PAY ON THE DAY! Im not sure cheaper season tickets are the way forward unless they are really cheap, It has to be worthwhile to get those that go now and again to stump up the cash in advance...... For a season ticket to be worthwhile for myself, It would need to be no more than £150. Otherwise, I can just rely on sky, the odd promotional game, co-orperate hospitality, kids for a quid etc which allows me to watch around 10 home games a season for well under £100 probably closer to £50. Ive said it before, its not like I cant afford to pay full price tickets, Its the fact I dont see the value in it, and having two kids I could spend the cash on instead. Deano and the board really seem to have lost touch with fans like myself, I would only need a gentle nudge for me to be a season ticket holder again, but I feel isolated and disengaged with town. Deano needs to remember that no-one is bigger than the club and although I respect everything he has done, sometimes when your so entrenched in something you lose sight of the bigger picture and start making decisions and implementing policies that don't benefit everyone at the club, but rather in this case again the fans that turn up to canalside, have season tickets etc etc. Simple fact is, The huddersfield town board thought they could charge what they like, someone once argued on here that the prices where inelastic, bollox and fans are now voting with their feet because they are been ripped off. It seems that you really don't want to pay anything never mind no more than £150. On the figures you are talking it is only £6.52 per game for 23 games at £150 per season ticket, in the 70's I was paying about £3 per game, so 45 years later are you saying that prices should have only doubled in that time? What do you consider to be true value of ticket? The reality is NOT EVERYONE is going to benefit, in fact NOT EVERYONE ever benefits from anything, you can never please ALL the people ALL of the time. In fact the more that I read your post I feel it is you that is talking bollocks |
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Post by detox on Sept 25, 2015 15:18:40 GMT 1
Blimey, some people don't have bluster about this.
The simple fact is it's nowt to do with the pricing, but all to do with the quality of football on offer.
I was a diehard, never miss a match fan...then during the latter stages of Elsie's reign ..when the football became stale and boring I first started to not bother ..then Grayson came in and I went down again...but after a while that deteriorated...then Robins...and eventually that deteriorated...by now I was a habitual 'fare weather fan' ..picking my games. The magic had gone. It's been the drip drip of poor stuff over a number of years that did for me...and only when we had a big game or a couple of wins did I go down. This season I went to Hull..and haven't been since...it's not the price..or even the atmosphere in the ground, it's ALL down to quality.
Throw into that mix of poor quality our constant struggle at the bottom of the table and yoiu have a deadly mix of unattractive product.
Fans can make excuses about the price, but the fact is that if Town were playing great stuff and near the top of the table, no one would be quibbling about the price,or the match day tax...or the atmosphere, or pies, beer etc...we'd be lapping it up and the stay away fans (like myself)would return.
I know the diehards will argue I am not a 'real' fan, abandoning the club when they 'need' me...but that's total tosh...football is like anything else, if the product is cr*p, you'll lose customers..Dean should know that and no amount of discounting the price will work..in fact it makes it worse because it further devalues the product to something you find in the Pound Shop.
As regards dean's comments about 'doing something for season card holders' , well I don't think that is the answer at all. His best solution is to appoint a proven manager who can get the best out of the lads at all times..you've only to look at the impact part timers like Murphy and Lillis had to see the managers have all under performed...that's the legacy of the past 3 years, that's why gates have fallen.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2015 15:20:07 GMT 1
We have not had a Tuesday game with a ticket price of £15 have we ?
If it was not on Sky and was not on the traditional Pub games night, More may well have attended.
The theory will be tested at the next home game - on a Tuesday night, not on Sky and for a tenner (not really up on pub game nights, but its certainly a new and quite exotic excuse for non attendees!)
Eh, Your hard work Gledholt,
" I might have gone for £15 but it is Cards night, " was what one of the lads said afore the game, Hardly an excuse not to attend.
Don't ever volunteer yourself for a fans committee on trying to improve attendances will you, As I don't think you can comprehend that folk who used to go may well have found alternative things to do.
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 25, 2015 15:29:53 GMT 1
'rip off' implies you're not getting what you think you're going to get. Or you're being forced somehow to buy something for an inflated price.
Don't think either of those things are in any way true for Town.
We don't charge an inflated price- its below the standard for the product. And anyone buying must surely expect championship football, not a guarantee that the game will be world class.
perhaps the idea of re-vitalising our support with a cheap season might be an option. But to do that i think the club would have to do their sums and make it perfectly clear that unless x amount of tickets are sold, then they'll will be forced to cut their cloth accordingly and that might effect our ability to compete.
Perhaps it is a decision the club could somehow organise a fans vote on, afterall we are 'the club' and all have its best intentions in our hearts?
Then if the club try it and we don't sell enough tickets and that in turn leads to struggles on the pitch, we the fans won't be in a position to lash out at guys like dean hoyle, but be forced to look much closer to home.
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Post by gledholt terrier on Sept 25, 2015 15:33:01 GMT 1
The theory will be tested at the next home game - on a Tuesday night, not on Sky and for a tenner (not really up on pub game nights, but its certainly a new and quite exotic excuse for non attendees!)
Eh, Your hard work Gledholt,
" I might have gone for £15 but it is Cards night, " was what one of the lads said afore the game, Hardly an excuse not to attend.
Don't ever volunteer yourself for a fans committee on trying to improve attendances will you, As I don't think you can comprehend that folk who used to go may well have found alternative things to do.
Why is it hard work to comprehend an answer to your comment that if it was a Tuesday night, £15 and not on Sky more would attend by suggesting we wait and see when those very circumstances will apply at the next home game, only for a tenner? (The exotic excuse comment was just flippancy) |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2015 15:35:56 GMT 1
I am a tight arsed fan - 3 kids with a hot dog fetish and other expensive habits.
We have been to more games this season, because of the offers about. No real worries about pricing for me. I do look at my fellow fans and wonder about the age of attendees and where our fan base is going. Especially with the dominoes comments.
The club and fans need to get the young ones down.
My little ones wanted a tea at half time. "Sorry we have run out of tea". What the fuck century are the club in?
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 25, 2015 15:36:56 GMT 1
Blimey, some people don't have bluster about this. The simple fact is it's nowt to do with the pricing, but all to do with the quality of football on offer. I was a diehard, never miss a match fan...then during the latter stages of Elsie's reign ..when the football became stale and boring I first started to not bother ..then Grayson came in and I went down again...but after a while that deteriorated...then Robins...and eventually that deteriorated...by now I was a habitual 'fare weather fan' ..picking my games. The magic had gone. It's been the drip drip of poor stuff over a number of years that did for me...and only when we had a big game or a couple of wins did I go down. This season I went to Hull..and haven't been since...it's not the price..or even the atmosphere in the ground, it's ALL down to quality. Throw into that mix of poor quality our constant struggle at the bottom of the table and yoiu have a deadly mix of unattractive product. Fans can make excuses about the price, but the fact is that if Town were playing great stuff and near the top of the table, no one would be quibbling about the price,or the match day tax...or the atmosphere, or pies, beer etc...we'd be lapping it up and the stay away fans (like myself)would return. I know the diehards will argue I am not a 'real' fan, abandoning the club when they 'need' me...but that's total tosh...football is like anything else, if the product is cr*p, you'll lose customers..Dean should know that and no amount of discounting the price will work..in fact it makes it worse because it further devalues the product to something you find in the Pound Shop. As regards dean's comments about 'doing something for season card holders' , well I don't think that is the answer at all. His best solution is to appoint a proven manager who can get the best out of the lads at all times..you've only to look at the impact part timers like Murphy and Lillis had to see the managers have all under performed...that's the legacy of the past 3 years, that's why gates have fallen. the quality is miles better than nearly all the football you always went to see before you stopped going regularly. Price I can understand as an excuse to stop going. Quality of football is just a nonsense. It relies on grossly exaggerated negative view of the football weve played over the past 3 years. A total lack of appreciation that the opposition we're playing is far better than what we had been playing previously. And a bizarre notion that the 'quality' in the past was somehow vastly better than it actually was. it seems to me to be what people come up with when they're trying to convince themselves theres a good reason why they don't want to support the club anymore. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2015 15:41:57 GMT 1
But even Hoyle has used the word " Dire " to describe a fair bit of our football in the last 9 months has he not ?
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Post by Tanzanian Terrier on Sept 25, 2015 15:46:42 GMT 1
So you can afford to go but you don't go because you just think it is too expensive. Sounds like you are just a complete tight-arse who cuts his nose off to spite his face. Misses out on loads of fun because "I'm not paying those fucking prices, no way". If you can't afford then don't go based on price - fair enough - but if you can afford and don't go because the price is too high - fuck me, your far too 'Yorkshire'. No, Its not value for money. I go when there's promotions, when I do see it as value for money. I didn't go last night as its more convenient, better view and alas cheaper to watch it on sky. Simply I am put off by the cost. Id much prefer to split the cash saved, put it in my kids bank accounts and listen on the radio. Ive been following town for over 30 years. I used to go everyweek, Ive been to approx 80 away grounds over 30 years watching town. This season is the first season Ive looked at the prices and just thought "enough" I went a few times last year at £25 a game and was on the brink! Im now thinking of getting a golf membership next year and spending my afternoons playing golf so may never return if thats the case! apart from the odd evening game, Whats the club going to do about fans like me that want to support town, but have taken a conscious decision not to pay the ludicrous prices? Im exactly the kind of supporter dean needs to get back in through the turnstiles. Im unlikely to go anymore if season tickets come down "a bit" but walk-up prices stay crazy! So which is it, do you want to save the money and put it into your kids bank account or have a golf club membership. What makes you think that you are the kind of supporter that DH needs to get back, I think that is rather subjective. I seem to think that the issue of "walk up prices" has been addressed only this week. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 25, 2015 15:47:32 GMT 1
Some of it has been. Most of it has been ok and some of it has been excellent. Pretty much like any other season i can remember.
I suspect Hoyle also wants stay away fans to think hes not happy with it and is demanding it improves etc. If he comes out and says what ive just said in reply to detox, then hes not going to get any of them to come back and would just put them off even more. he has to be diplomatic.
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Post by Tanzanian Terrier on Sept 25, 2015 15:49:57 GMT 1
fact is ONE fan coming back at a lower price does nothing for huddersfield town. for a price decrease of just £5 per game we would need to attract nearly 2000 Extra supporters. That is unrealistic. 47% of ALL ticket sales INCLUDING PAY ON THE DAY are actually at concession prices |
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Post by drfootball on Sept 25, 2015 15:56:20 GMT 1
I think it's fairy simple , play dull unattractive football and lose all the time and attendances will drop .
Hopefully we turned the corner and once people see the 3-1 , 4-1 wins they will start to come back through the gates.
I've no connection to south stand lot but you guys were something else last night , really put Forrest lot in their place well done again !!
This year win or lose you been brilliant
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2015 15:57:08 GMT 1
I am a tight arsed fan - 3 kids with a hot dog fetish and other expensive habits. We have been to more games this season, because of the offers about. No real worries about pricing for me. I do look at my fellow fans and wonder about the age of attendees and where our fan base is going. Especially with the dominoes comments. The club and fans need to get the young ones down. My little ones wanted a tea at half time. "Sorry we have run out of tea". What the fuck century are the club in?
I honestly don't think I would have been too bothered about going nowadays if I were a kid, Having to sit in the same seat with the same view in the same end all game wouldn't have appealed to me, I would have been bored stupid.
Having a wander about on the old terrace, nip into open end the odd game and pop into the cowshed many a 2nd half, Albeit after burning your gob with redhot Bovril soothed only by a wagon wheel got me hooked.
The club really do need to have a good look at the prices it charges for teenagers, It is far too dear, Wether you are still school age and your old man is still paying or wether you have just left and started work or college, We need to keep these lads and lasses and not lose em to something else.
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Post by softboy on Sept 25, 2015 16:07:19 GMT 1
Perhaps we should put all the money we get from selling players, send the loanees back, play trialists and development Squad players and use this money to reduce ticket prices to £10 max. We might end up bottom of the league but at least the place will be packed to the rafters!
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Post by htfctx on Sept 25, 2015 16:14:46 GMT 1
Average home attendance
2015/2016 11114
2014/2015 13613
2013/2014 14213
2012/2013 14978
2011/2012 14145 league one
2010/2011 13729
2009/2010 14389
2008/2009 13298
People pay for entertainment.
Fans pay to be entertained by "their" team.
Entertainment by another team, is free, tv, internet, sports bar etc.
This drop in attendance will be fixed by a points total improvement. Word of mouth is not enough, this time.
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Post by rocky on Sept 25, 2015 16:31:45 GMT 1
Sad fact. Third bottom. LINKWe had higher attendances when in the League below.  Jesus, those figures are truly scary. Especially so when you consider we've already played Blackburn, Bolton & Forest! And people moan when we have to sell players! |
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Post by terriersyndrome on Sept 25, 2015 16:48:11 GMT 1
Are people seriously moaning about having to watch football on a Thursday? Why? I've watched town play on a Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday & Sunday.. Why is Thursday a no go? The club charge £15 & still get moaned at.. They should be charging £5 blah blah blah.. What fucking planet do these idiots live on?
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Post by softboy on Sept 25, 2015 16:51:07 GMT 1
I have to say I did not think we were that far out of line with most of the others but a couple of worrying things spring to mind:
1) We are an average of 2,000 less per game than the 4th worst (Preston).
2) We are over 4,000 less than Bolton who I would consider a similar sized club.
3) We have been surpassed by MK Dons (arrgh).
4) As has already been said we have already played three teams in Bolton, Blackburn, Forest where I would expect attendances above the average.
Worrying times indeed - perhaps DH simply canot spend the sale proceeds as these are needed to pay the bills/wages etc.
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 25, 2015 17:16:20 GMT 1
I wouldn't read too much into MK Dons figures. Been there plenty of times and the crowd in there doesn't have much relation to the figure they give out.
I presume in an attempt to appear much more popular than they are, they hand out free tickets all over the place and include those in the gate figure whether they turn up or not.
Last time I was there for a normal league game there was supposed to be about 10 or 11 thousand in there, but in reality i doubt it was much more than 5000.
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