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Post by townrwe on Sept 25, 2015 9:53:10 GMT 1
www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/huddersfield/huddersfield-town-dire-warning-on-gates-from-chairman-hoyle-1-7480084?SIMPLE FACT DEAN! ITS TOO FUCKING EXPENSIVE TO PAY ON THE DAY! Im not sure cheaper season tickets are the way forward unless they are really cheap, It has to be worthwhile to get those that go now and again to stump up the cash in advance...... For a season ticket to be worthwhile for myself, It would need to be no more than £150. Otherwise, I can just rely on sky, the odd promotional game, co-orperate hospitality, kids for a quid etc which allows me to watch around 10 home games a season for well under £100 probably closer to £50. Ive said it before, its not like I cant afford to pay full price tickets, Its the fact I dont see the value in it, and having two kids I could spend the cash on instead. Deano and the board really seem to have lost touch with fans like myself, I would only need a gentle nudge for me to be a season ticket holder again, but I feel isolated and disengaged with town. Deano needs to remember that no-one is bigger than the club and although I respect everything he has done, sometimes when your so entrenched in something you lose sight of the bigger picture and start making decisions and implementing policies that don't benefit everyone at the club, but rather in this case again the fans that turn up to canalside, have season tickets etc etc. Simple fact is, The huddersfield town board thought they could charge what they like, someone once argued on here that the prices where inelastic, bollox and fans are now voting with their feet because they are been ripped off.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Sept 25, 2015 10:06:20 GMT 1
But it was 15 pound last night and you still didn't go
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Post by rocky on Sept 25, 2015 10:07:46 GMT 1
www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/huddersfield/huddersfield-town-dire-warning-on-gates-from-chairman-hoyle-1-7480084?SIMPLE FACT DEAN! ITS TOO FUCKING EXPENSIVE TO PAY ON THE DAY! Im not sure cheaper season tickets are the way forward unless they are really cheap, It has to be worthwhile to get those that go now and again to stump up the cash in advance...... For a season ticket to be worthwhile for myself, It would need to be no more than £150. Otherwise, I can just rely on sky, the odd promotional game, co-orperate hospitality, kids for a quid etc which allows me to watch around 10 home games a season for well under £100 probably closer to £50. Ive said it before, its not like I cant afford to pay full price tickets, Its the fact I dont see the value in it, and having two kids I could spend the cash on instead. Deano and the board really seem to have lost touch with fans like myself, I would only need a gentle nudge for me to be a season ticket holder again, but I feel isolated and disengaged with town. Deano needs to remember that no-one is bigger than the club and although I respect everything he has done, sometimes when your so entrenched in something you lose sight of the bigger picture and start making decisions and implementing policies that don't benefit everyone at the club, but rather in this case again the fans that turn up to canalside, have season tickets etc etc. Simple fact is, The huddersfield town board thought they could charge what they like, someone once argued on here that the prices where inelastic, bollox and fans are now voting with their feet because they are been ripped off. That whole post is utter nonsense, but the bit in bold takes the biscuit. What do you want Hoyle to do? Send a chauffeur driven Rolls to pick you up for every home game? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2015 10:11:55 GMT 1
www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/huddersfield/huddersfield-town-dire-warning-on-gates-from-chairman-hoyle-1-7480084?SIMPLE FACT DEAN! ITS TOO FUCKING EXPENSIVE TO PAY ON THE DAY! Im not sure cheaper season tickets are the way forward unless they are really cheap, It has to be worthwhile to get those that go now and again to stump up the cash in advance...... For a season ticket to be worthwhile for myself, It would need to be no more than £150. Otherwise, I can just rely on sky, the odd promotional game, co-orperate hospitality, kids for a quid etc which allows me to watch around 10 home games a season for well under £100 probably closer to £50. Ive said it before, its not like I cant afford to pay full price tickets, Its the fact I dont see the value in it, and having two kids I could spend the cash on instead. Deano and the board really seem to have lost touch with fans like myself, I would only need a gentle nudge for me to be a season ticket holder again, but I feel isolated and disengaged with town. Deano needs to remember that no-one is bigger than the club and although I respect everything he has done, sometimes when your so entrenched in something you lose sight of the bigger picture and start making decisions and implementing policies that don't benefit everyone at the club, but rather in this case again the fans that turn up to canalside, have season tickets etc etc. Simple fact is, The huddersfield town board thought they could charge what they like, someone once argued on here that the prices where inelastic, bollox and fans are now voting with their feet because they are been ripped off. That whole post is utter nonsense, but the bit in bold takes the biscuit. What do you want Hoyle to do? Send a chauffeur driven Rolls to pick you up for every home game? The guy's a complete fool. He claimed to be disengaged with Town after we signed Huws and Carayol. As Ted pointed out it was £15 last night and he still didn't go. I'd be willing to bet he won't go when it's a tenner against MK Dons. Impossible to take anything he says seriously. |
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Post by bluedogs, Esq. on Sept 25, 2015 10:16:58 GMT 1
That whole post is utter nonsense, but the bit in bold takes the biscuit. What do you want Hoyle to do? Send a chauffeur driven Rolls to pick you up for every home game? The guy's a complete Tool. He claimed to be disengaged with Town after we signed Huws and Carayol. As Ted pointed out it was £15 last night and he still didn't go. I'd be willing to bet he won't go when it's a tenner against MK Dons. Impossible to take anything he says seriously. Edited for accuracy |
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Post by brighousebandbred on Sept 25, 2015 10:17:21 GMT 1
I went last night, but I'm guessing the price didn't matter to many last night as they could watch it on sky. But I have deffo not attended games this year because of the walk up price on the day, so not defending the poster I really do believe the extra cost to pay on the day will cost town big style this year. On a positive town are looking good just need the pay on the day sorting.
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Post by rocky on Sept 25, 2015 10:18:24 GMT 1
But it was 15 pound last night and you still didn't go
It's so easy to whinge & moan like fuck on here about how much it costs & then still don't go when they slash prices, whilst happy to pay £60 at least per month for Sky.
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Post by rocky on Sept 25, 2015 10:21:46 GMT 1
That whole post is utter nonsense, but the bit in bold takes the biscuit. What do you want Hoyle to do? Send a chauffeur driven Rolls to pick you up for every home game? The guy's a complete fool. He claimed to be disengaged with Town after we signed Huws and Carayol. As Ted pointed out it was £15 last night and he still didn't go. I'd be willing to bet he won't go when it's a tenner against MK Dons. Impossible to take anything he says seriously. Yeah, sure you're right. Unfortunately for this forum, he sure as hell ain't alone. |
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Post by roberttownblue on Sept 25, 2015 10:21:37 GMT 1
www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/huddersfield/huddersfield-town-dire-warning-on-gates-from-chairman-hoyle-1-7480084?SIMPLE FACT DEAN! ITS TOO FUCKING EXPENSIVE TO PAY ON THE DAY! Im not sure cheaper season tickets are the way forward unless they are really cheap, It has to be worthwhile to get those that go now and again to stump up the cash in advance...... For a season ticket to be worthwhile for myself, It would need to be no more than £150. Otherwise, I can just rely on sky, the odd promotional game, co-orperate hospitality, kids for a quid etc which allows me to watch around 10 home games a season for well under £100 probably closer to £50. Ive said it before, its not like I cant afford to pay full price tickets, Its the fact I dont see the value in it, and having two kids I could spend the cash on instead. Deano and the board really seem to have lost touch with fans like myself, I would only need a gentle nudge for me to be a season ticket holder again, but I feel isolated and disengaged with town. Deano needs to remember that no-one is bigger than the club and although I respect everything he has done, sometimes when your so entrenched in something you lose sight of the bigger picture and start making decisions and implementing policies that don't benefit everyone at the club, but rather in this case again the fans that turn up to canalside, have season tickets etc etc. Simple fact is, The huddersfield town board thought they could charge what they like, someone once argued on here that the prices where inelastic, bollox and fans are now voting with their feet because they are been ripped off. 1) "Its not like I cant afford to pay full price tickets" . . . Her indoors won't let me
2) "I would only need a gentle nudge" . . . drop the price by £200 and she might let me have one
3) "But I feel isolated and disengaged with town" . . . could it be because of point 1
4) "The Huddersfield town board thought they could charge what they like" . . . they can, they run the club
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Post by Headless Chicken on Sept 25, 2015 10:24:21 GMT 1
Not saying I'm entirely on board with the pricing policy, but some fans are intolerable; they want their cake and eat it.
I bet there's a massive correlation between those whinging about the cost and not spending enough on players.
People quick to wallow in self-pity and moan, slow in attempting to consider all the facts.
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Post by townrwe on Sept 25, 2015 11:04:53 GMT 1
So if price isnt the problem.... what is?
Do town still quote tickets sold? or are we back on actual attendance? I went on saturday, no point last night on sky. Saturday was the quietest I have ever seen the stadium, I dont for one minute think that 10500 people actually turned up to watch.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Sept 25, 2015 11:07:56 GMT 1
So if price isnt the problem.... what is? Do town still quote tickets sold? or are we back on actual attendance? I went on saturday, no point last night on sky. Saturday was the quietest I have ever seen the stadium, I dont for one minute think that 10500 people actually turned up to watch. Negative posters like you... |
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Sept 25, 2015 11:10:52 GMT 1
So you can afford to go but you don't go because you just think it is too expensive. Sounds like you are just a complete tight-arse who cuts his nose off to spite his face. Misses out on loads of fun because "I'm not paying those fucking prices, no way". If you can't afford then don't go based on price - fair enough - but if you can afford and don't go because the price is too high - fuck me, your far too 'Yorkshire'.
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Post by ringdisco on Sept 25, 2015 11:17:24 GMT 1
So if price isnt the problem.... what is? Do town still quote tickets sold? or are we back on actual attendance? I went on saturday, no point last night on sky. Saturday was the quietest I have ever seen the stadium, I dont for one minute think that 10500 people actually turned up to watch. No point? Moron. |
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Post by jwhudd802 on Sept 25, 2015 11:21:34 GMT 1
So if price isnt the problem.... what is? Do town still quote tickets sold? or are we back on actual attendance? I went on saturday, no point last night on sky. Saturday was the quietest I have ever seen the stadium, I dont for one minute think that 10500 people actually turned up to watch. Too many of the people of Huddersfield with the same apathetic attitude towards their football club as this is the problem |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 25, 2015 11:26:50 GMT 1
So if price isnt the problem.... what is? Do town still quote tickets sold? or are we back on actual attendance? I went on saturday, no point last night on sky. Saturday was the quietest I have ever seen the stadium, I dont for one minute think that 10500 people actually turned up to watch. It must have been your first game then. Football is too expensive, no ones going to argue with that and that includes Hoyle. But to stand any chance of competing financially you have to charge the going rate, and Town actually are cheap by this divisions standards. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 25, 2015 11:27:41 GMT 1
So if price isnt the problem.... what is? Do town still quote tickets sold? or are we back on actual attendance? I went on saturday, no point last night on sky. Saturday was the quietest I have ever seen the stadium, I dont for one minute think that 10500 people actually turned up to watch. Too many of the people of Huddersfield with the same apathetic attitude towards their football club as this is the problem That is exactly the problem! As an area, Huddersfield and its surrounding towns just aren't interested enough in having a Championship football club. |
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Post by Mastercracker on Sept 25, 2015 11:36:54 GMT 1
This is the problem with up and down pricing though. People baulk at paying £30.50 for the first few games and don't go cos they feel ripped off. Add in the negativity of selling our better players and the habbit is then broken and its infinitely easier to not bother going again, even if it's £15 one week.
With these deals people either go for the one game then stop again when the price doubles or they don't bother at all knowing that it's back up to rip off prices in the future. We also pick stupid games for the deals. The price was inelastic last night, making it £15 for a game on a Thursday night that's on TV was a pointless exercise, as is making it £10 for fucking MK Dons also on a weekday night. The people going to those games are the people with season tickets who have already bought in, not floaters. They need to pick a decent game, on a Saturday at 3pm, for a promo to have any effect. Making the Derby game £15 would have been a much better idea as a promo.
Having said that, I'd personally just bin off the promo thing and charge a reasonable price - Ideally £20 but probably more 22/23 quid - for each and every league game. No categories, no price difference between Kilner, South Stand and RW Stand, no need for take10 schemes and whatnot - Just plain, simple 'no nonsense' pricing. Not Bradford give away and pretend pricing, but plain simple stuff that doesn't touch a nerve with floaters, doesn't require research or pre-purchase. I don't think they understand their market.
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Post by Henry Mcgee on Sept 25, 2015 11:39:16 GMT 1
Interesting quote from DH in there “We’ve won four in 24 and been playing some dire football, so our ‘walk-up’ is going down and our home numbers are going down.
" I think there is a lot of truth in this and it is 100% why my mate didn't renew after having a ST for as long as I've known him. You can quote how many great games we were treated to last season but the footfall says it wasn't great. Even last night we didn't have a massive goal threat despite having by far the better of the game and I worry that our cautious manager may always keep us up, but never be able to bring back the fans with his style of football.
I like CP but he still frustrates me with his approach - he'll get us the points - but he won't bring the crowds back unless we really go on an exceptionally good run (unlikely!). It's great that Town are slashing prices but if the product isn't entertaining then the floaters will only turn up when it's cheap.
I guess we just have to hope that either CP over-achieves or starts to take more risks and the cheap days are exciting games.
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Post by rocky on Sept 25, 2015 11:43:56 GMT 1
Too many of the people of Huddersfield with the same apathetic attitude towards their football club as this is the problem That is exactly the problem! As an area, Huddersfield and its surrounding towns just aren't interested enough in having a Championship football club.
Totally agree & have said so many times before. Let's face it, our attendances this season are shyte & Hoyle is right to say they're 'unsustainable'. He must despair that he's putting in £5m or so a season & then sees only 10,300 home fans against quite a big team like Forest AND when it's only £15 in.
The message that sends is that the floaters won't even turn up at £15 a pop! Just what else can he do!
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Post by Captainslapper on Sept 25, 2015 11:48:40 GMT 1
Totally agree mastercracker about the up and down prices and the long term benefits of these deals for unattractive games. Think it just confuses people. Can imagine a scenario where a bloke hears about the price for the MK Dons game, so goes along, its a decent game so thinks hed like to go to the next game aswell against Derby, but when he finds out its £31 this time, he soon decides to forget it.
But I don't think crowds would increase enough to get the same revenue if we made it 22/23 quid, so we'd end up at an even bigger financial disadvantage than we already are.
The only solution really is to get in the prem and grow the fanbase. Weve been an awful long time without top flight football and our core support reflects that.
But thats the viscous circle were trapped in- how hard it is to achieve that with the size of our core support. It can be done as a few other clubs have proved but its a rarety and requires a lot of good luck as much as anything. not something we're renowned for.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2015 11:51:02 GMT 1
So you can afford to go but you don't go because you just think it is too expensive. Sounds like you are just a complete tight-arse who cuts his nose off to spite his face. Misses out on loads of fun because "I'm not paying those fucking prices, no way". If you can't afford then don't go based on price - fair enough - but if you can afford and don't go because the price is too high - fuck me, your far too 'Yorkshire'. Maybe he can afford to go but doesn't see the value in it? Why do we jump down the throats of those that don't go regularly. It's hardly going to endear an occasional/floater to come along more often if someone goes away with a bee in their ear. I did in the past, but I also don't have a season ticket, I CANT do Tuesdays (or Thursdays!) due to more important things (and could only realistically get to about half the Saturday games), so having a season ticket becomes a bit pointless. I also CAN afford it, but on the occasions when I can squeeze a footy game in, one of the factors that makes me not turn up, is looking at a ~ £30 price tag and thinking, "I don't really value an individual football match that highly". Which is why I'll prob end up doing 3 games by Christmas, and maybe 5 or 6 in total, when maybe a single note, £20 match day fee would see me maybe doubling that. Once you're out of the habit of going every game, its very easy to not bother and spend your time doing other things. I think from that article, Dean is looking at this the wrong way, with the implication that next season might see some movement on season ticket prices to encourage more of them, but unlikely to see match day fees going down. People don't generally buy a season ticket on the price, they buy because its a habit and convenient and because they realise they'll attend more than 12/15 games so just might as well. Once someone owns a season ticket, they're an easy customer. The effort should be more focussed on getting new people to get into the habit and see their 3 or 5 games turn into 12/15, so that they start to think a season ticket is a good idea and suddenly they're watching 18 to 20 games and they'll be back again the next year. Look at how other subscription based retailers attract customers into signing up to contracts. It's not rocket science. I doubt you'd ever find a Pay TV service provider saying that they'll bring prices down for those who continue to pay for an annual contract (and would have continued to pay anyway, even as the price creeps upwards), but they'll put the price UP for new customers, because we don't really want those people! |
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Post by benmsmith4 on Sept 25, 2015 11:53:42 GMT 1
Don't think you can put this down to one factor but instead a few factors conspiring to keep 'floaters' (awful term) away.
One is the price: this explains why non-discounted games are poorly attended and why I sometimes don't make it without my Take 10. Only thing you can do here is support the AMF movement and hope that stuff changes as its not necessarily up to Dean Hoyle to be some sort of vanguard on lowering prices.
The other is poor football: as mentioned above Powell will pick up points but it'll take a Hasselbaink or someone who plays an exciting brand to bring people back.
Other in recent times has been stadium atmosphere: up until recently is has been so uninspiring turning up to our ground but I think with the SS this will change, it has been the only thing I've been going to games for recently I must admit.
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Sept 25, 2015 11:54:37 GMT 1
I will say it again. I am probably in that group which people always refer to... I had season tickets for years. I haven't been to a single game this season and a couple last season.
I do still care and would go but...
1 - I'm busy nowadays, usually having to work, like a lot of people are. Therefore I aren't going to pay for a season ticket because I doubt I will go to all games.
2 - I aren't going on the odd game because it's too expensive. End of. I cannot justify the cost for it. If it's just me then it's not ideal but I feel sorry for the fans taking kids. I suspect most don't bother taking the kids.
Why don't the gate prices and season ticket prices match? Then just give benefits to season ticket holders (discounted cup tickets, discount in club store, food/drink discount)?
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Post by terriersyndrome on Sept 25, 2015 11:58:44 GMT 1
I wasn't expecting a big crowd last night, A, because it was on Sky.. B, apparently Thursday nights aren't acceptable for football? But for someone to make a thread saying the walk up prices are too expensive when it was £15 on the gate last night is just lunacy!
If you don't want to pay walk up prices, A, order online & print your ticket off at home.. B, buy a take 10 card & make savings on 10 games.. The bottom line is we're still one of the cheapest clubs to watch in the championship, it seems people are just making excuses not to attend which is their choice I suppose.
MK Dons is a tenner walk up price, it's not on Sky & not on a Thursday night.. No excuses!
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Post by rocky on Sept 25, 2015 12:12:26 GMT 1
I will say it again. I am probably in that group which people always refer to... I had season tickets for years. I haven't been to a single game this season and a couple last season. I do still care and would go but... 1 - I'm busy nowadays, usually having to work, like a lot of people are. Therefore I aren't going to pay for a season ticket because I doubt I will go to all games. 2 - I aren't going on the odd game because it's too expensive. End of. I cannot justify the cost for it. If it's just me then it's not ideal but I feel sorry for the fans taking kids. I suspect most don't bother taking the kids. Why don't the gate prices and season ticket prices match? Then just give benefits to season ticket holders (discounted cup tickets, discount in club store, food/drink discount)? That would never work. People wouldn't buy a SC just to get a few discounts like that. Anything that devalues a SC would be a financial disaster for the club. Going back to your points above - You said you would go, but then seemingly don't despite all the offers (reduced prices against Forest & MK Dons etc.). Then there's the Take 10 option designed for people like you. Not having a pop at you specifically, but for me, there's too many people who trot out every excuse in the book not to go, whereas in reality, the club have numerous incentives to attract people who can't get to every game. |
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Post by Floyds on Sept 25, 2015 12:13:55 GMT 1
The match day prices are obviously too expensive. Especially if we're not playing particularly well and struggling to stay in the division.
I know the core support can appreciate that we're in a much better position now than any time in the last 30 years.
But for the "floating" fan, I think they'd prefer to be in League One (or even Two) winning games by 3,4 or 5. Be entertained and head home without concerning themselves with the bigger picture of sustainability, ownership and finances.
Not that this is a problem - it's just human nature - and will be the same at any club.
The only way we'll get fans in is by a combination of lowering the prices and playing more attractive, winning football.
Difficult to do both in the Championship unless we have someone willing to bankroll us by even more than Hoyle is currently doing, although hopefully we're moving in the right direction again.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2015 12:18:47 GMT 1
I wasn't expecting a big crowd last night, A, because it was on Sky.. B, apparently Thursday nights aren't acceptable for football? But for someone to make a thread saying the walk up prices are too expensive when it was £15 on the gate last night is just lunacy! If you don't want to pay walk up prices, A, order online & print your ticket off at home.. B, buy a take 10 card & make savings on 10 games.. The bottom line is we're still one of the cheapest clubs to watch in the championship, it seems people are just making excuses not to attend which is their choice I suppose. MK Dons is a tenner walk up price, it's not on Sky & not on a Thursday night.. No excuses! It's on a Tuesday night - same issues. Those who work/commute, those with young children see it as a turn off. |
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Post by de1terrier on Sept 25, 2015 12:22:38 GMT 1
www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/huddersfield/huddersfield-town-dire-warning-on-gates-from-chairman-hoyle-1-7480084?SIMPLE FACT DEAN! ITS TOO FUCKING EXPENSIVE TO PAY ON THE DAY! Im not sure cheaper season tickets are the way forward unless they are really cheap, It has to be worthwhile to get those that go now and again to stump up the cash in advance...... For a season ticket to be worthwhile for myself, It would need to be no more than £150. Otherwise, I can just rely on sky, the odd promotional game, co-orperate hospitality, kids for a quid etc which allows me to watch around 10 home games a season for well under £100 probably closer to £50. Ive said it before, its not like I cant afford to pay full price tickets, Its the fact I dont see the value in it, and having two kids I could spend the cash on instead. Deano and the board really seem to have lost touch with fans like myself, I would only need a gentle nudge for me to be a season ticket holder again, but I feel isolated and disengaged with town. Deano needs to remember that no-one is bigger than the club and although I respect everything he has done, sometimes when your so entrenched in something you lose sight of the bigger picture and start making decisions and implementing policies that don't benefit everyone at the club, but rather in this case again the fans that turn up to canalside, have season tickets etc etc. Simple fact is, The huddersfield town board thought they could charge what they like, someone once argued on here that the prices where inelastic, bollox and fans are now voting with their feet because they are been ripped off. how are fans being ripped off when the prices charged are IN GENERAL LESS than the fucking going rate you total asshat. Stay the fuck away we don't need nor want you I will happily pay more so I don't have to sit with twats like you. |
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Post by towntastic on Sept 25, 2015 12:24:07 GMT 1
I don't think we are the only club that has a chairman worried about attendances. Outside the greedy league it looks like clubs all over the country are suffering big style. It is down to many factors but one of the main ones is pricing which has got ludicrous. The game has gone like the economy did a few years back, more money going out than going in. Mainly players over inflated wages. It wont continue, it cant, otherwise it will follow the Rugby League disaster. The OP made a point that because it was on Sky there was not point in going, aswell as contradicting himself this is another major part of the problem. Sky are ruining football as we know it and their tentacles are reaching across other sports too. Im pretty sure that once the greedy league supporters cant afford to go then they will digitally include a crowd with polite clapping at various points throughout a match, then move to showing computer games instead of the real thing. I have always liked live football which cannot be beaten because you have to make the effort to go in all kinds of weather to get there and not have a clue what will be served up and then like last night come away feeling really glad I was part of it. The world is changing quickly and sometimes the moaners unfortunately get their way as the are normally part of the problem and have no constructive idea for the solution.
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