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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2015 18:50:30 GMT 1
I'd pay for Sky Sports if we got promoted.
Is that a bad thing?
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Post by detox on Dec 15, 2015 18:50:34 GMT 1
Bolton Blackpool Preston and Burnley averaged less than Town when they were in the lower divisions in the 80s. Blackburn used to get 7000 in old division 2 before Walker. The thing is they seemed to move back to their old level fairly quickly while Town spent years in the lower leagues. For all Bolton's issues right now I bet their back in the premier league again before Town. We're the same size club as the four mentioned and also Portsmouth, Blackburn, Brighton, Burnley. The only difference in clubs about this size is the amount of money that is or isn't invested to chase the dream. Yep...and the choice of manager/s .. |
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Post by detox on Dec 15, 2015 18:51:37 GMT 1
I'd pay for Sky Sports if we got promoted. Is that a bad thing? No...but I get SkyGo and BTgo from my son .... he's a good lad. |
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Post by Macduff on Dec 15, 2015 19:36:07 GMT 1
Install Kodi and you won't need Sky or BT sport.
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Post by NumeroUno on Dec 15, 2015 20:21:15 GMT 1
As one or two have said, a sleeping/fallen giant.
Although maybe not exactly a giant at the minute, but definitely the potential to be especially considering our geographical location. The town of Huddersfield may not be the biggest but there's plenty of population in surrounding areas that would greatly increase the crowd size if we were to have sustained success in the Premier league.
We may not be a Man Utd or Arsenal now, but back in the old days those teams would have seen us as the team to beat - no reason why that can't happen again although it'll take a fair bit of time and (more than) a fair bit of money.
Its all about perspective really though, Halifax would love to be in our position, whereas a team like Man Utd would look at us in a way we would look at Halifax.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2015 20:54:53 GMT 1
They all look like little clubs from far away. Don't you be upsetting 'the massive' now... I hear you can see their club from outer space - maybe someone should ping that twin peakes cosmonaut bloke a Q on the space station and ask him to take a picture? |
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Post by Stewpot on Dec 15, 2015 21:32:09 GMT 1
Teams in the top flight since us, just off the top of my head :
Barnsley, Bradford City, Bristol City, Coventry City, Wimbledon, Charlton Athletic, Fulham, Hull City, Portsmouth, Watford, Sheffield United, Sheffield Wednesday, Blackpool, Burnley, Birmingham City, Wigan Athletic, Ipswich Town, Oldham Athletic, Bolton Wanderers, Brighton, Bournemouth, Luton Town, Oxford United, Swindon Town.
Even the likes of Stoke City, Derby County, Wolves, West Brom, Southampton, Middlesbrough, who are now considered stable Premier League clubs or Championship clubs who we are frightened of and like to quote as clubs we can't hope to compete with - most of these have had a bit of a yo-yo existence over recent years, but have all bounced back, from a position where all of these have at some point been in dire straits.
Burnley and Swansea both one game away from dropping out of the league.
Some of those, not all, would have been considered a laughing stock when we last appeared in the top division. We can't be too far apart from some of these can we, so why not ?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2015 22:24:19 GMT 1
Install Kodi and you won't need Sky or BT sport. Until you've actually seen a football match in 4k of course! (I get one free as I work for them and the other free through a friend) |
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Post by queenybantam07 on Dec 20, 2015 18:37:02 GMT 1
Utter shite ...Barnsley sold out when in prem of course we would all the woodworkers from the affluent areas like shepley etc would buy season tickets you wouldnt be able to get a ticket for any game it would take off massive if we got to the promised land and the season card/ticket price was reasonable,,,,folk in Kirklees just waiting for a decent footballing prem side to get behind and ditch their prem telly teams  First season maybe, but if Town survived it would soon drop off. Third season of regular defeats, ridiculous kick off times/days, West Bromwich at home on a Monday night in early December, 15000 would be pushing it. Even massive Bradford couldn't fill their "stadium" in the premier league, not even for the visit of Leeds, 18000 crowd, capacity 24000 at the time. Except, Valley Parade held no more than 18,300 in the Premier League. Capacity increased to 22,000 for the last 4 games of our PL reign, and once the main stand upper was considered finished, capacity was confirmed at 25,136. |
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Post by Chicken George on Dec 21, 2015 18:58:19 GMT 1
Id say we are bigger than a few in the championship and most of LEAGUE 1 & LEAGUE 2 but agree with the statement about Bolton, Despite the turmoil, teams like that seem to have a higher profile because then spend many years in the prem and seem more likely to come across major investment again.
Proving harder for the likes Jack Walker to bank roll teams - Its now a billionaires playground rather than a millionaires one such as HW and DH.
So in terms where we are in the whole football pyramid, we are actually about right give or take a place or 2... in my opinion
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 18:35:20 GMT 1
First season maybe, but if Town survived it would soon drop off. Third season of regular defeats, ridiculous kick off times/days, West Bromwich at home on a Monday night in early December, 15000 would be pushing it. Even massive Bradford couldn't fill their "stadium" in the premier league, not even for the visit of Leeds, 18000 crowd, capacity 24000 at the time. Except, Valley Parade held no more than 18,300 in the Premier League. Capacity increased to 22,000 for the last 4 games of our PL reign, and once the main stand upper was considered finished, capacity was confirmed at 25,136. Fk me - you must spend your whole life searching the internet for anything Bradford attendance related. You are one sad girl Queeny. However fact: You couldn't sell your ground for most games in the premier league. Another fact: Town may have limited support but have averaged more than Bradford for 90% of their seasons in the football league. |
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Post by jmoban on Dec 22, 2015 20:48:37 GMT 1
Hoyle has taken us back to what is probably at least the 4th best division in the world. When we were top flight champions we were punching above our weight, beating big cities, (probably the best team in the world then). Grayson, Robins, Powel & Wagner aren't bad managers. Clubs who have recently made it to the best division in the world, are the likes of barnsley, blackpool, bolton, bradford, burnley, charlton, oldham, fulham, portsmouth, reading, swindon, watford, wigan & wimbledon. We may soon be back there. We are the holders of the 3 times in a row top flight champions, only arsenal, liverpool & man u have equaled Town's record (not beat it), no one has beat it, town still hold it. It is now a money business, & if/when the bubble bursts, Town may be back in the top flight, with current giant teams liquidized. Up the Town. Happy CHRISTmas
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Post by dan9 on Dec 22, 2015 21:03:49 GMT 1
Hoyle has taken us back to what is probably at least the 4th best division in the world. When we were top flight champions we were punching above our weight, beating big cities, (probably the best team in the world then). Grayson, Robins, Powel & Wagner aren't bad managers. Clubs who have recently made it to the best division in the world, are the likes of barnsley, blackpool, bolton, bradford, burnley, charlton, oldham, fulham, portsmouth, reading, swindon, watford, wigan & wimbledon. We may soon be back there. We are the holders of the 3 times in a row top flight champions, only arsenal, liverpool & man u have equaled Town's record (not beat it), no one has beat it, town still hold it. It is now a money business, & if/when the bubble bursts, Town may be back in the top flight, with current giant teams liquidized. Up the Town. Happy CHRISTmas . [ Sure I've read this somewhere before?? |
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Dec 22, 2015 21:09:06 GMT 1
We are medium sized always have been.
A good hardcore of about ten thousand.
Even if we were top of this league we'd be pushing it to get 14 or 15 k max.
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Post by lochnessterrier on Dec 23, 2015 9:07:47 GMT 1
Sorry but anyone who thinks we are as big as Blackburn, Bolton and Burnley needs a reality check. We need a run in the Premiership to close the gap with those three.
Back in 1970 we won promotion to the top flight on my 18th birthday. My dad said to me "cherish this moment son, you might be 65 before it happens again".
Only 2 more years to wait!
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Post by Hammy (still in Golcar) on Dec 23, 2015 9:22:43 GMT 1
... Are we the biggest club in England to never have been in the premier league
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2015 9:24:45 GMT 1
... Are we the biggest club in England to never have been in the premier league no that's Liversedge fc |
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Post by dugnet on Dec 23, 2015 10:10:14 GMT 1
This old chestnut of a debate is in essence what unconsciously defines HTAFC...in all Town fans there is a belief we wil once again be a significant club in English football..all other fans are of the opinion that we were either great in their grandparents day or "who are they? They never do anything"
You know what I've come to the conclusion that it doesn't matter at all. As long as we pass on to the next generation of fans what a special club we have we'll always have that inner belief we'll be big once again...lose that and quite frankly we're stuffed.
It's that heritage that sticks 4000 on the gate when we're doing well, we must protect it the best we can.
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Post by artysid on Dec 23, 2015 10:16:25 GMT 1
Sorry but anyone who thinks we are as big as Blackburn, Bolton and Burnley needs a reality check. We need a run in the Premiership to close the gap with those three. Back in 1970 we won promotion to the top flight on my 18th birthday. My dad said to me "cherish this moment son, you might be 65 before it happens again". Only 2 more years to wait! That would be me. We get as good as if not better gates when we are in similar positions, our history is as good if not better, our core support is as good as not better. Why do you say we are not as big? |
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Post by lochnessterrier on Dec 23, 2015 12:23:43 GMT 1
Sorry but anyone who thinks we are as big as Blackburn, Bolton and Burnley needs a reality check. We need a run in the Premiership to close the gap with those three. Back in 1970 we won promotion to the top flight on my 18th birthday. My dad said to me "cherish this moment son, you might be 65 before it happens again". Only 2 more years to wait! That would be me. We get as good as if not better gates when we are in similar positions, our history is as good if not better, our core support is as good as not better. Why do you say we are not as big? There are many reasons but let me take Blackburn as an example. You say our history is as good? I completely disagree because for a start you can discount our success in the twenties as being totally irrelevant. The standard of football then was laughable, have you ever seen footage? If the current Halifax Town team could be transported back through time they would win that league by Christmas. Let's take the past 40 years as a better comparison. How many times has each club competed in the top division? Huddersfield zero, Blackburn? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2015 13:51:23 GMT 1
That would be me. We get as good as if not better gates when we are in similar positions, our history is as good if not better, our core support is as good as not better. Why do you say we are not as big? There are many reasons but let me take Blackburn as an example. You say our history is as good? I completely disagree because for a start you can discount our success in the twenties as being totally irrelevant. The standard of football then was laughable, have you ever seen footage? If the current Halifax Town team could be transported back through time they would win that league by Christmas. Let's take the past 40 years as a better comparison. How many times has each club competed in the top division? Huddersfield zero, Blackburn? One reason Jack Walker, right man at right time. I doubt he could do it now. If Dean Hoyle had been around in the early premier league days we could have had some of that success. As a club they are no bigger. When we were in third division early 80s we got more than them and they were pushing top end second. They got around 7000 until Walker put his money in. Another point; only 10 English clubs have ever had a bigger attendance than Towns record crowd. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2015 13:54:57 GMT 1
That would be me. We get as good as if not better gates when we are in similar positions, our history is as good if not better, our core support is as good as not better. Why do you say we are not as big? There are many reasons but let me take Blackburn as an example. You say our history is as good? I completely disagree because for a start you can discount our success in the twenties as being totally irrelevant. The standard of football then was laughable, have you ever seen footage? If the current Halifax Town team could be transported back through time they would win that league by Christmas. Let's take the past 40 years as a better comparison. How many times has each club competed in the top division? Huddersfield zero, Blackburn? Surely the fact these clubs have had recent premier league success while we have had nothing for centuries yet we still compete with their attendances counters your argument? |
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Post by verloc on Dec 23, 2015 15:05:36 GMT 1
Neither. In the middle.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Dec 23, 2015 15:11:12 GMT 1
... Are we the biggest club in England to never have been in the premier league I always thought it was between us and our opponents on Boxing Day - biggest could be a misnomer but definitely the 2 with the richest histories in the game. If we use average home attendance this season as the 'biggest' criterion then it would be Bristol C, MK Dons and Preston before us. |
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Post by detox on Dec 23, 2015 15:25:53 GMT 1
you can't compare town now with the likes of blackburn under jack walker - comparisons have to be like with like..back in the days blackburn struggled to get 10,000 in their crappy stadium, ..swansea...wigan...in fact most clubs fans turn up for the glory days, and why not...then disappear again just as quick.. Does nobody remember Northampton Town in the old league one after successive promotions from league 4, league 3 and league 2 !
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Post by artysid on Dec 23, 2015 15:50:42 GMT 1
That would be me. We get as good as if not better gates when we are in similar positions, our history is as good if not better, our core support is as good as not better. Why do you say we are not as big? There are many reasons but let me take Blackburn as an example. You say our history is as good? I completely disagree because for a start you can discount our success in the twenties as being totally irrelevant. The standard of football then was laughable, have you ever seen footage? If the current Halifax Town team could be transported back through time they would win that league by Christmas. Let's take the past 40 years as a better comparison. How many times has each club competed in the top division? Huddersfield zero, Blackburn? Obviously if you are going to disregard our history, then our history isn't as good  |
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Post by artysid on Dec 23, 2015 15:56:55 GMT 1
That would be me. We get as good as if not better gates when we are in similar positions, our history is as good if not better, our core support is as good as not better. Why do you say we are not as big? There are many reasons but let me take Blackburn as an example. You say our history is as good? I completely disagree because for a start you can discount our success in the twenties as being totally irrelevant. The standard of football then was laughable, have you ever seen footage? If the current Halifax Town team could be transported back through time they would win that league by Christmas.
Let's take the past 40 years as a better comparison. How many times has each club competed in the top division? Huddersfield zero, Blackburn? I'm not sure current Premiership teams would compete then neverheed Halifax Town if they had to compete on the pitches that existed then, with the balls they played with etc & under the rules as they were applied then. -but at the end of the day it's a rather irrelevant debate, you can't dismiss history by trying to compare it with today. History is what it is -HISTORY |
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Post by 3Pipe on Dec 23, 2015 16:12:26 GMT 1
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Post by lochnessterrier on Dec 23, 2015 16:24:53 GMT 1
There are many reasons but let me take Blackburn as an example. You say our history is as good? I completely disagree because for a start you can discount our success in the twenties as being totally irrelevant. The standard of football then was laughable, have you ever seen footage? If the current Halifax Town team could be transported back through time they would win that league by Christmas. Let's take the past 40 years as a better comparison. How many times has each club competed in the top division? Huddersfield zero, Blackburn? Obviously if you are going to disregard our history, then our history isn't as good I'm comparing our history over my own lifetime so I'd say it was a fair measure. You're argument centres around our success almost 100 years ago. |
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Dec 23, 2015 16:28:33 GMT 1
Obviously if you are going to disregard our history, then our history isn't as good I'm comparing our history over my own lifetime so I'd say it was a fair measure. You're argument centres around our success almost 100 years ago. Huddersfield were without doubt the best team for a decade in the 20's, when have Blackburn ever had that distinction. Drawing lines in history and disregarding anything prior to suit your argument is without doubt biased. If I disregarded the last 50 years then Town would be the giant of Yorkshire football - we can all play this game. |
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