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Post by Gag_N_Bone_Man on Mar 29, 2016 22:40:10 GMT 1
I'd keep Hogg, Holme for sure and perhaps Matmour. Hudson can stay as a squad plaayer and maybe coaching the kids.
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Post by H6dds on Mar 29, 2016 22:42:26 GMT 1
It's not easy to make decisions as we don't know what Hoyle, Webber and Wagner has planed and fortunately we don't need to make them anyway. But if I was to decide I would probably go with something like this:
Miller, Allinson is not hard, get rid.
I think we should keep one of Cranie and Hudson as backup. Tough call, the cheaper and more versatile or the experienced leader? Personally I would go for Cranie. Hogg is also a yes for me. His injuries could mean a chance for Dempsey, Billing and Booty to get some games aswell. Matmour just depends on what other players we get into that position.
Boyle is a very hard call to make. According to York fans on twitter, he isn't very good and of the highlights from yesterdays game (where he scored an owngoal) he didn't seem very convincing in a struggling League 2 side (harsh to judge based on highlights from just one game though). On the other hand, their manager seem to rate him. Can't be on much and should be given one more year.
Holmes should not be given a new contract though IMO, but only based on that he has been around for what seems like ages now and doesn't look likely to cut it here, maybe he needs a new club?
Edit: Wright and Senior should be given new deals, and the rest of the youngsters I can't really comment about as haven't seen or heard enough.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Mar 29, 2016 22:45:18 GMT 1
Ok- please can someone tell me the criteria why they are releasing Boyle and Wright? I'd keep them both. Wright has played around 20 games for an Accrington team who are pushing for promotion, as well as appearing for Wales U21's. He's injured at the moment but it wouldn't make any sense to release him or Boyle imo.
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Post by gledholt terrier on Mar 29, 2016 22:54:25 GMT 1
Have read everyone's comments I think I'd not renew any of the nine. We aren't gonna go anywhere so long as Hudson is a mainstay. His legs have gone. What a manager does & says when he has no option means very little. Hogg I've always liked for what he offers and he recently had his best spell. Far too injury prone though. You need consistency and reliability- build up relationships. Not a guy who plays 4/7 each month. Watford probably knew something we didn't with hogg. Crainey was a Powell stop gap. Ok but not good enough in any position to hold it down as his own. Rest not good enough. Watford knew exactly what Town knew - he wanted a move back North
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Post by Headless Chicken on Mar 29, 2016 23:03:46 GMT 1
Ok- please can someone tell me the criteria why they are releasing Boyle and Wright? I'd keep them both. Wright has played around 20 games for an Accrington team who are pushing for promotion, as well as appearing for Wales U21's. He's injured at the moment but it wouldn't make any sense to release him or Boyle imo. I've no idea how good or bad they are to be honest, but I suspect that's the case with pretty much everyone on here, but that's still not stopped them going out on a limb and suggesting we get rid of em. I just find it ridiculous, but hardly surprising.
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Post by Gold Coast Terrier on Mar 29, 2016 23:45:15 GMT 1
I'd keep Matmour and Hogg. The game time of Hogg is a concern but he's perfect for Wagner's system, hopefully Wagner's sports science background will lead to us catering his training according to his condition.
As what was said earlier Craney was a Powell stopgap and needs to go, if we haven't identified a better replacement for him in the last year then something is wrong with our scouting.
Hudson really depends on his wage demands. Signed two years ago on a big contract which was equivalent to his value to the team at that point. Two years on he won't get the same terms, we can't pay big wages for someone who's a positive factor in the dressing room - get the next Hudson if that's a requirement.
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Post by impact on Mar 30, 2016 0:07:30 GMT 1
Have read everyone's comments I think I'd not renew any of the nine. We aren't gonna go anywhere so long as Hudson is a mainstay. His legs have gone. What a manager does & says when he has no option means very little. Hogg I've always liked for what he offers and he recently had his best spell. Far too injury prone though. You need consistency and reliability- build up relationships. Not a guy who plays 4/7 each month. Watford probably knew something we didn't with hogg. Crainey was a Powell stop gap. Ok but not good enough in any position to hold it down as his own. Rest not good enough. That would be a massive gamble and a big outlay for the club. With the emergency loan window going next year we're going to need a bigger squad. I get what you're saying about Hogg but he's been playing very well and I can't see us getting a similar replacement cheaply. He misses a lot of games but he can rotate with Whitehead. I'd give Hudson another year as backup. A centre half to partner Lynch is clearly one of the top targets. Cranie is useful as he can play 3 or 4 positions. Not a starter in any but we need versatile players as backup. The rest can either go or I don't know enough about them. Maybe keep Matmour depending on the cost.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 0:45:09 GMT 1
Have read everyone's comments I think I'd not renew any of the nine. We aren't gonna go anywhere so long as Hudson is a mainstay. His legs have gone. What a manager does & says when he has no option means very little. Hogg I've always liked for what he offers and he recently had his best spell. Far too injury prone though. You need consistency and reliability- build up relationships. Not a guy who plays 4/7 each month. Watford probably knew something we didn't with hogg. Crainey was a Powell stop gap. Ok but not good enough in any position to hold it down as his own. Rest not good enough. That would be a massive gamble and a big outlay for the club. With the emergency loan window going next year we're going to need a bigger squad. I get what you're saying about Hogg but he's been playing very well and I can't see us getting a similar replacement cheaply. He misses a lot of games but he can rotate with Whitehead. I'd give Hudson another year as backup. A centre half to partner Lynch is clearly one of the top targets. Cranie is useful as he can play 3 or 4 positions. Not a starter in any but we need versatile players as backup. The rest can either go or I don't know enough about them. Maybe keep Matmour depending on the cost. Webber has said they plan to have a core of 18 I think he said, with rest made up of youth teamers ready to step up as needed and perform. Can't see Hogg been relied upon to fill one of those berths and he'll be on decent money. Always been a fan of his game though. There are more players out there these days especially the workhorse type- they're not irreplaceable and Wagner gives us the European angle which we've never had. There'll have been discussions a plenty going on since Waggers took over maybe even before. I can see us freshening things up quite a bit. Players like cranie that weren't his signings who he's clearly not completely convinced about I can see being allowed to leave. I think he's a decent squad man too. He may be kept but think Wagner likes specialists in each role. This debate is something of a sideshow really from the big one which is can we sign Paterson? Can we sign a striker who can support wells, can we keep wells, can we sign a proper centre half. I'll be shocked if we keep Hudson as he's not first choice material and not the type to bring in from time to time- that'd be crainey if anyone. We shall see, I just wouldn't be surprised to see a Wagner revolution.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 0:55:14 GMT 1
Have read everyone's comments I think I'd not renew any of the nine. We aren't gonna go anywhere so long as Hudson is a mainstay. His legs have gone. What a manager does & says when he has no option means very little. Hogg I've always liked for what he offers and he recently had his best spell. Far too injury prone though. You need consistency and reliability- build up relationships. Not a guy who plays 4/7 each month. Watford probably knew something we didn't with hogg. Crainey was a Powell stop gap. Ok but not good enough in any position to hold it down as his own. Rest not good enough. Watford knew exactly what Town knew - he wanted a move back North From the little bit I know about club doctors/Physio teams(from talking with my mate Lee Martin over the years) I'd be surprised if Watford weren't aware that Hogg's ever present season had had an impact on him. Not suggesting anything too calculating but let's just say I understand why those in the know didn't fight his move as some of their fans had hoped at the time. We as fans don't always know the whole truth. Quality, intelligent, committed player but DCM is a young man's game. The Hogg's and th whiteheads are a rare breed in modern 100 mph football. A la Damien Johnson a few years back- Rolls Royce of a player but only suitable for old men tootling to and from the bowls club, not the heavy duty requirements of the school run, motorway pounding, summer holiday trecking of modern engines.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 1:05:37 GMT 1
RE Hogg. I trust the opinion of the sport scientist that is David Wagner that's for sure. It's not like Hogg is picking up the same niggling injuries again and again, the one he picked up v Ipswich came from a challenge, rather unfortunate.
Given that our CM stock next season currently comprises of WHitehead and Billing atm with Dempsey covering a few positions it would be madness to release Hogg unless someone is already lined up and given that Huws will need replacing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 2:00:29 GMT 1
RE Hogg. I trust the opinion of the sport scientist that is David Wagner that's for sure. It's not like Hogg is picking up the same niggling injuries again and again, the one he picked up v Ipswich came from a challenge, rather unfortunate. Given that our CM stock next season currently comprises of WHitehead and Billing atm with Dempsey covering a few positions it would be madness to release Hogg unless someone is already lined up and given that Huws will need replacing. Agree I'm just wondering if Wagner might have exactly that- someone lined up. I hope ur right re. Hogg but every season I've thought next year he'll get a good run of games, which is usually 7-8. 2 warning up and 6 quality performances. Whitehead is getting on but offers slightly better all round game I'd say and alongside billing we need them need a reliable version of Hoggy if we are to challenge. He'll be on reasonable money if have thought. We shall see.
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Mar 30, 2016 7:46:45 GMT 1
Would be very surprised if we let Hogg go, Wagner has praised him after a number of games and said how vital he is to the team. As others have said, who are we going to replace him with that won't cost more?
I'd be disappointed if we let Holmes go, he's one that needs perseverance due to his small frame and slight hesitancy and lack of confidence in the dirt team. He's clearly got a lot of potential and is still young, if it all comes together for him he could be an extremely tidy player.
As for the rest I'm not too fussed, would keep Boyle as he's still young and will be cheap. Matmour, it depends on who else we can get as I think he appears to be physically on the slide, but that might be because he hadn't played for months and possibly had no pre-season to speak of.
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Post by bigfatmonkey on Mar 30, 2016 8:33:36 GMT 1
I find it strange that people are saying keep Wright and Boyle because they've done ok in League Two while in the same breath saying release Holmes who's a similar age and has played close to 30 games two divisions higher!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 8:47:48 GMT 1
Would be very surprised if we let Hogg go, Wagner has praised him after a number of games and said how vital he is to the team. As others have said, who are we going to replace him with that won't cost more? I'd be disappointed if we let Holmes go, he's one that needs perseverance due to his small frame and slight hesitancy and lack of confidence in the dirt team. He's clearly got a lot of potential and is still young, if it all comes together for him he could be an extremely tidy player. As for the rest I'm not too fussed, would keep Boyle as he's still young and will be cheap. Matmour, it depends on who else we can get as I think he appears to be physically on the slide, but that might be because he hadn't played for months and possibly had no pre-season to speak of. Don't think you can question Holmes' confidence. He certainly backs himself and wasn't his loan unsuccessful because he was a bit Billy big bollocks? For me the Ipswich game was the most telling, set up for Holmes to come on and run at them. Wagner took Dempsey off and brought Elvis on. I think that shows a lot.
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Mar 30, 2016 9:09:51 GMT 1
Would be very surprised if we let Hogg go, Wagner has praised him after a number of games and said how vital he is to the team. As others have said, who are we going to replace him with that won't cost more? I'd be disappointed if we let Holmes go, he's one that needs perseverance due to his small frame and slight hesitancy and lack of confidence in the dirt team. He's clearly got a lot of potential and is still young, if it all comes together for him he could be an extremely tidy player. As for the rest I'm not too fussed, would keep Boyle as he's still young and will be cheap. Matmour, it depends on who else we can get as I think he appears to be physically on the slide, but that might be because he hadn't played for months and possibly had no pre-season to speak of. Don't think you can question Holmes' confidence. He certainly backs himself and wasn't his loan unsuccessful because he was a bit Billy big bollocks? For me the Ipswich game was the most telling, set up for Holmes to come on and run at them. Wagner took Dempsey off and brought Elvis on. I think that shows a lot. I mean his confidence on the pitch. Bravado and confidence off the pitch often masks an insecurity. He doesn't play like he belongs there in the same way that he appears to do for the development teams. I think it probably needs a run of games and belief from the manager for it to click. Whether he will get that is unclear.
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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Mar 30, 2016 9:50:12 GMT 1
I find it strange that people are saying keep Wright and Boyle because they've done ok in League Two while in the same breath saying release Holmes who's a similar age and has played close to 30 games two divisions higher! I'm in the keep all three camp. They won't cost much and at 20/21 there's no need to be making final decisions on them yet.
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Post by COWleySHED on Mar 30, 2016 19:05:42 GMT 1
Chris, How does he compare to wimbledon's Ryan Sweeney - we are supposed to be scouting him? You got me on that one Richard! Sweeney's name didn't ring a bell so I checked and he didn't play against York. I've seen AFCW 5 or 6 times this season and I don't recall Sweeney at all. So there you go. Where you heard Town are interested? Another tip on an Exeter prospect....note the name, Ollie Watkins, tall young forward but looking good as an attacking midfielder. Saw him at Crawley yesterday and he made the opener beautifully and scored the second. Eddie Howe was there watching apparently..... Standard post from Epsom recommending another Exeter player yawn yawn
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 30, 2016 19:16:58 GMT 1
Ignore Frankiesleftpeg , he has never rated Hogg, but thinks every player that comes through the ranks will be a world-beater! #deluded That's something Hogg'll never be, even if he managed to stay fit for a full season! He'll never be a world beater, but he might just well be our best player like he was for a couple months before this current injury. Injuries are a problem with him, but even so hes DEFINITELY one to keep.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 19:28:45 GMT 1
Got a feeling Hogg may be shown the door. We've been giving new deals to the likes of Bunn and Scannell who both had another year to run on theirs recently, but nothing on Hogg. We've also not renewed Vaughan and Gobern's based on their injury record and, frankly, Hogg's ain't much better.
A decent, if limited, player when available. I suspect he's one of the top earners at the club as well and don't think he'd be that hard to replace.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Mar 30, 2016 19:50:05 GMT 1
I find it strange that people are saying keep Wright and Boyle because they've done ok in League Two while in the same breath saying release Holmes who's a similar age and has played close to 30 games two divisions higher! I've not suggested we should release Holmes- if he's on a reasonable wage it's definitely worth the perseverance. My point on the other two is that people are saying release them and I bet they haven't seen them or even know anything about them, whereas I suppose they've at least seen Holmes.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Mar 30, 2016 19:53:21 GMT 1
Got a feeling Hogg may be shown the door. We've been giving new deals to the likes of Bunn and Scannell who both had another year to run on theirs recently, but nothing on Hogg. We've also not renewed Vaughan and Gobern's based on their injury record and, frankly, Hogg's ain't much better. A decent, if limited, player when available. I suspect he's one of the top earners at the club as well and don't think he'd be that hard to replace. It's a difficult one, I think you describe him quite well. The thing is I think he's also a bit of a winner and a leader, so I'd be leaning towards keeping him in a fairly young squad. Again, it all depends on what he'd accept and what our alternatives are.
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Post by Captainslapper on Mar 30, 2016 20:25:02 GMT 1
Id be very surprised if Wagner didn't keep Hogg, and im surprised he hasn't been tied up to a new deal already. He seemed to really rate him and singled him out for praise a few times. Whitehead was our star man earlier in the season, but Hogg, justifiably, kept him out of the team until he picked up this latest knock. Hes a combative midfielder- I think you just have to accept he'll miss a lot of games with injuries/suspensions- comes with the territory a bit.
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Post by bigfatmonkey on Mar 30, 2016 23:04:27 GMT 1
I find it strange that people are saying keep Wright and Boyle because they've done ok in League Two while in the same breath saying release Holmes who's a similar age and has played close to 30 games two divisions higher! I've not suggested we should release Holmes- if he's on a reasonable wage it's definitely worth the perseverance. My point on the other two is that people are saying release them and I bet they haven't seen them or even know anything about them, whereas I suppose they've at least seen Holmes. I agree with you, I think it's hard for the majority of us to say. I watched the u21s a fair bit last season but I've not seen the likes of Boyle & Wright since summer so impossible to say what level they're at. There were some players that you could tell would probably never make it, such as Wilkinson and Ben Atkinson and others like Billing, Crooks, D Holmes & Booty who you'd think would have an excellent chance but even then a lot can change in a season.
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Post by ritchie on Mar 31, 2016 1:27:00 GMT 1
offer hogg, cranie and holmes 1 year deals with an extra year clause. hogg can rotate, cranie for his versatility and holmes just in hope.
matmour, undecided
let the rest go. hudson has been poor to average overall...hes been better under wagner (or maybe since his contract come up for renewal?) but I've seen us re-sign players obviously in decline too many times.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 9:11:21 GMT 1
Got a feeling Hogg may be shown the door. We've been giving new deals to the likes of Bunn and Scannell who both had another year to run on theirs recently, but nothing on Hogg. We've also not renewed Vaughan and Gobern's based on their injury record and, frankly, Hogg's ain't much better. A decent, if limited, player when available. I suspect he's one of the top earners at the club as well and don't think he'd be that hard to replace. It's a difficult one, I think you describe him quite well. The thing is I think he's also a bit of a winner and a leader, so I'd be leaning towards keeping him in a fairly young squad. Again, it all depends on what he'd accept and what our alternatives are. I can see the argument for keeping him and I wouldn't be disappointed if we do. Equally, I wouldn't be too fussed if we moved him on.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 9:38:43 GMT 1
Crane, Holmes, Hogg...Don't know much about Boyle.
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Post by Skint Terriers on Mar 31, 2016 13:04:30 GMT 1
Why wouldn't you want to keep Holmes? He's the perfect bench player for next season. Young, not on a big wage, won't cost us anything and most importantly he can come on and change a game. Should be a no brainer to keep him on a bit longer
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Post by Porrohman on Mar 31, 2016 13:09:42 GMT 1
Why wouldn't you want to keep Holmes? He's the perfect bench player for next season. Young, not on a big wage, won't cost us anything and most importantly he can come on and change a game. Should be a no brainer to keep him on a bit longer Changed the first game, done nowt since though Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards
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Post by Skint Terriers on Mar 31, 2016 13:10:12 GMT 1
Why wouldn't you want to keep Holmes? He's the perfect bench player for next season. Young, not on a big wage, won't cost us anything and most importantly he can come on and change a game. Should be a no brainer to keep him on a bit longer Changed the first game, done nowt since though Sent from my SM-G900F using proboards Probably because he's barely played
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Mar 31, 2016 14:56:00 GMT 1
You got me on that one Richard! Sweeney's name didn't ring a bell so I checked and he didn't play against York. I've seen AFCW 5 or 6 times this season and I don't recall Sweeney at all. So there you go. Where you heard Town are interested? Another tip on an Exeter prospect....note the name, Ollie Watkins, tall young forward but looking good as an attacking midfielder. Saw him at Crawley yesterday and he made the opener beautifully and scored the second. Eddie Howe was there watching apparently..... Standard post from Epsom recommending another Exeter player yawn yawn Another typically ignorant retort from a no-mark poster who is incapable of any constructive comment on anything. Jog on, you loser.
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