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Post by Lard Buttie on May 13, 2016 21:11:17 GMT 1
Some of South Yorkshires finest have been hauled back from Kos......supposedly for going on a drinking bender when they should be investigating the Ben Needham case. some of our 'finest' journalists and photographers sent to Kos to make a story about South Yorks Police.. whilst those were drinking after doing house to house for 9 hours the 'other' team were continuing doing house to house and other enquries.. the mother of ben needham and her brief implored the chief constable not to make to SIO have to return, she has massive faith in the team sent out and has publicly thanked them for their efforts.. in 3 days they have gathered more info than the greeks could in decades.. you might not have read that report, there were no pictures with it and no headlines.. Aye, have heard the correct version. I stand corrected but in mitigation I did read it in The Daily Mail (online like, I didn't buy it)
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 22:05:39 GMT 1
Some of South Yorkshires finest have been hauled back from Kos......supposedly for going on a drinking bender when they should be investigating the Ben Needham case. some of our 'finest' journalists and photographers sent to Kos to make a story about South Yorks Police.. whilst those were drinking after doing house to house for 9 hours the 'other' team were continuing doing house to house and other enquries.. the mother of ben needham and her brief implored the chief constable not to make to SIO have to return, she has massive faith in the team sent out and has publicly thanked them for their efforts.. in 3 days they have gathered more info than the greeks could in decades.. you might not have read that report, there were no pictures with it and no headlines.. Have to agree that it was classless by the Sun, but then again not surprising. SYP are in disarray & being villified for H'boro & rightly so. However that was the top brass, this is entirely different and the press (especially the Sun) should be mindful about making up a story when there's not one to be told... I can only hope this isn't some sort of twisted retribution by the sun after the H'boro history...
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Post by galpharm2400 on May 13, 2016 22:46:05 GMT 1
some of our 'finest' journalists and photographers sent to Kos to make a story about South Yorks Police.. whilst those were drinking after doing house to house for 9 hours the 'other' team were continuing doing house to house and other enquries.. the mother of ben needham and her brief implored the chief constable not to make to SIO have to return, she has massive faith in the team sent out and has publicly thanked them for their efforts.. in 3 days they have gathered more info than the greeks could in decades.. you might not have read that report, there were no pictures with it and no headlines.. Have to agree that it was classless by the Sun, but then again not surprising. SYP are in disarray & being villified for H'boro & rightly so. However that was the top brass, this is entirely different and the press (especially the Sun) should be mindful about making up a story when there's not one to be told... I can only hope this isn't some sort of twisted retribution by the sun after the H'boro history... journalists = go for easy target every time.. make a story up, apologise with the worlds smallest writing in the shittiest bit of their next edition, pay a few quid and start the next made up bollox.. As in all walks of life the good, brave ones, let down by the talentless shit spreaders..
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2016 9:08:42 GMT 1
When I hear people talking about the hatred they have for the so called 'PC brigade' & the country is going to the dogs, people who resist change I wish they could watch the hillsborough documentary for the events of that period and in that era is symbolic the world they mourn. I'm not sure what you mean by the above. It is the establishment that has gone PC, after all. Questioning unregulated mass immigration, for example, is what can get you into trouble with the establishment, not agreeing with it, whatever your thoughts may be on the subject. Furthermore, resisting change is sometimes good. Remember the Poll tax. A world of corruption and abuse of innocent people by the elite. These people did not go quietly into the night though, they would not be silenced. They have exposed the most appalling cover up. Forced the truth to be ripped from the iron fist of the establishment. I think in the end these people's unflinching courage and determination has given their innocent children an epitaph that befits them. They did not die in vain. I agree with most of the above. I fear, however, that his cover up goes to the heart of the establishment, and that a few senior Police Officers will take the fall. Hopefully the families will be compensated regardless, and will find some comfort in the verdict. Changes to the police, the criminal justice system, the press, and perhaps even the political elite that will help ensure such corruption will be far more difficult to get away with again. Corruption is still in our world but society is progressing and change will continue. I hope so, but I think fundamental changes will take time, and big business will still call the shots ... and instigate the cover-ups. In the first paragraph I was referring to society progressing- the views of both the masses and thus the establishment. One thing that social media and Internet has done is shine bright light onto events- could hillsborough have happened today- the event itself possibly but the cover up? I think the independent media (phone footage etc) as much as the drive for honesty in reporting would have stopped it. I get sick and tired of people talking about the god old days. I see little good in the past whereas people have a rose tinted view that belies the truth. I agree about the cover up being right at the top, driven by thatcher personally if Douglas Hurd is to be believed. Thoroughly poisonous, elitist woman and certainly of that time. These characters will bot be punished but the officers in question may be and this will send a message out. Whilst following orders is important the fact individuals face personal prosecution may help undermine mass corruption in future. I agree it is business rather than politicians who are most prominent operators of corruption today- politicians are complicit but are unwilling or unable to challenge for fear of financial retribution/implications. We must all keep pushing for a fairer society. Things are getting better. The hillsborough case and operations like yew tree whilst not uncovering corruption and abuse right to the very top are at least a two in the right direction and a sign of real shift.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2016 9:17:13 GMT 1
I wonder what the Chilcot report will have to say, or if we will have to wait another 25 years or more for a proper investigation if it turns out to be just another whitewash?
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Post by galpharm2400 on May 14, 2016 9:37:10 GMT 1
I wonder what the Chilcot report will have to say, or if we will have to wait another 25 years or more for a proper investigation if it turns out to be just another whitewash? As always its dependent on finding an easy target to lay most of or all the blame onto. If this isnt the case then lies and half truths will prevail for as long as it takes to fully cover up the involvement of the great and good. As someone with a personal interest in this I shall watch carefully and read the report, all 2 million words, as best and as throughly as I can. Given we went in at the drop of a hat and under false pretences and came out long before the job was complete and with no end game plan, the report cannot be anything other than damming but on who and why?
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2016 20:54:59 GMT 1
I wonder what the Chilcot report will have to say, or if we will have to wait another 25 years or more for a proper investigation if it turns out to be just another whitewash? As always its dependent on finding an easy target to lay most of or all the blame onto. If this isnt the case then lies and half truths will prevail for as long as it takes to fully cover up the involvement of the great and good. As someone with a personal interest in this I shall watch carefully and read the report, all 2 million words, as best and as throughly as I can. Given we went in at the drop of a hat and under false pretences and came out long before the job was complete and with no end game plan, the report cannot be anything other than damming but on who and why? Agreed. I'm guessing Blair was only acting on orders from higher up (politicians come and go, after all), so even if he comes under fire, it will mean very little IMHO.
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Post by thrice on May 19, 2016 23:54:31 GMT 1
As always its dependent on finding an easy target to lay most of or all the blame onto. If this isnt the case then lies and half truths will prevail for as long as it takes to fully cover up the involvement of the great and good. As someone with a personal interest in this I shall watch carefully and read the report, all 2 million words, as best and as throughly as I can. Given we went in at the drop of a hat and under false pretences and came out long before the job was complete and with no end game plan, the report cannot be anything other than damming but on who and why? Agreed. I'm guessing Blair was only acting on orders from higher up (politicians come and go, after all), so even if he comes under fire, it will mean very little IMHO. Blair was acting on his own conviction. Which is no bad thing for a leader but he will be judged on it.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2016 18:27:15 GMT 1
Agreed. I'm guessing Blair was only acting on orders from higher up (politicians come and go, after all), so even if he comes under fire, it will mean very little IMHO. Blair was acting on his own conviction. Which is no bad thing for a leader but he will be judged on it. I doubt that very much. He would have to consult with numerous individuals in the military and intelligence services. Prime Ministers/Presidents come and go, as Edgar Hoover observed. There is no doubting that Blair is a cynical individual. He converted to Catholicism, perhaps in the hope of salving his conscience, but almost certainly in the hope of improving his chances of EU presidency.
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