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Post by turbo2 on Apr 22, 2017 19:34:33 GMT 1
They're going to be confident if we end up facing each other in the playoffs. Played us off the park for almost 180 mins so far.
DW is going to have to find something to combat their wingers as we've got closer to the moon than an of them yet again today
Fingers crossed the season does frizzle out. UTT
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Apr 22, 2017 19:46:34 GMT 1
Fulham play the way Wagner would love us to play FACT We play too narrow down one side , they always kept the full back and winger out on the opposite side,so always had an out ball, when their press won the ball back which in turn gives them a fast breakaway. When Schindler or Lowe had the ball they put a man to close the angle down so the ball couldn't go to heff and Visa Versa with heff and smith , that's why smith had to play it long a lot They played really good pass and move football Think their speed of everything was so much better than us. Touch, pass, movement, thought..the lot. Our play is generally a bit slow and predictable but today more so than ever. In the end we faffed about with it, they closed us down and we end up lumping it ( or we end up making a cock up and handing them a chance) Mooys a great player but hes the main culprit IMO. Hes the one who sets the tone to our game- how slow and ponderous it is going to be. Sideways one way, then sideways the other, then back...over and over again. Whereas Fulham.., get the ball , quick pass, quick pass, quick pass and they're in. We actually did the same a few times and got in some good positions. But IMO theres just way too much slow arseing around with it whilst the opposition sort themselves out.100% correct, Cap'n. This has been a problem for months now.
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Post by dickyb hecky thump on Apr 22, 2017 19:47:08 GMT 1
town are two paces slower than we where at the start of the season.are passing and moving off the ball has slowed down.fulham are playing the football we did at the start of the season . wagner used billing carefully and sparefully the start of the season an the lad use to come on full of energy an confidence. but now hes been given regular starts he been shite he looks an plays like hes just had a big spliff before kick off he's like death warmed up.lolly was shite today but so was most the team. has long as we learn from these loses turn wolves over on tues then today will soon forgotten.we need three good wins so we go into the play off with some form if we can get back to how all us town fans no we can play then its in our hands . big shout for south stand who never give up utt
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Apr 22, 2017 19:47:33 GMT 1
Yuchi better team, we have fuk all up front imo
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Post by htafcharry on Apr 22, 2017 19:53:16 GMT 1
town are two paces slower than we where at the start of the season.are passing and moving off the ball has slowed down.fulham are playing the football we did at the start of the season . wagner used billing carefully and sparefully the start of the season an the lad use to come on full of energy an confidence. but now hes been given regular starts he been shite he looks an plays like hes just had a big spliff before kick off he's like death warmed up.lolly was shite today but so was most the team. has long as we learn from these loses turn wolves over on tues then today will soon forgotten.we need three good wins so we go into the play off with some form if we can get back to how all us town fans no we can play then its in our hands . big shout for south stand who never give up utt Surely Billing won't be with us next season though? Heard Southampton are negotiating a deal for him.
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 22, 2017 20:25:15 GMT 1
they are better than us. they have scored 9 goals against us in two games. anyone who suggests we are as good as they are is quite frankly deluded. Don't think anyone would claim anything else from the 2 games against them this season. But overall, we have more points even with a game in hand, so I don't see how anyone could claim they've been as good as us over the course of this season so far. If we end up facing them again, we're going to have to do something different though, as they clearly know how to play against us. Not making rudimentary errors would be a start!
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Post by shawsie on Apr 22, 2017 20:31:43 GMT 1
town are two paces slower than we where at the start of the season.are passing and moving off the ball has slowed down.fulham are playing the football we did at the start of the season . wagner used billing carefully and sparefully the start of the season an the lad use to come on full of energy an confidence. but now hes been given regular starts he been shite he looks an plays like hes just had a big spliff before kick off he's like death warmed up.lolly was shite today but so was most the team. has long as we learn from these loses turn wolves over on tues then today will soon forgotten.we need three good wins so we go into the play off with some form if we can get back to how all us town fans no we can play then its in our hands . big shout for south stand who never give up utt Surely Billing won't be with us next season though? Heard Southampton are negotiating a deal for him. We won't miss him if he is......had chances galore but barely taken them. Clearly got talent but how much longer before we get a cluster of decent games from him?!Am entirely with slaps re mooy though .........been ponderous for a little while now and the decision to play him at 10 is a poor one imo. However.......let's just calm down a bit here. Fulham were ruthless today but clearly haven't been all campaign....after all they are 2 pts behind us and we have a game in hand and to be fair we gifted em 3 today.....they didn't rip us apart permanently. Rethink needed for tues though - get at least a point and move on - even if we bore em to tears.
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Post by Bojaj Horseman on Apr 22, 2017 20:34:46 GMT 1
think quaner should be tried left wing I think it was the Man City home game he got moved out there when Wells came on and it suited him surprisingly well. It's worth a try
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Post by ujpestdoza on Apr 22, 2017 20:35:56 GMT 1
Absolutely battered us the other week, best team I've seen this season by miles.
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Post by terryya on Apr 22, 2017 20:38:39 GMT 1
No doubting that Fulham have been better than us over 180 minutes but they are where they are on merit. They're still below us and only just got into the top six. Some people on here have then down as a cross between Brazil, total football Holland, Real Madrid, Barcelona and Bayern.
Yes they're a decent attacking football side but they're the 6th best team in our division so far.
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Post by wtd on Apr 22, 2017 20:46:48 GMT 1
No doubting that Fulham have been better than us over 180 minutes but they are where they are on merit. They're still below us and only just got into the top six. Some people on here have then down as a cross between Brazil, total football Holland, Real Madrid, Barcelona and Bayern. Yes they're a decent attacking football side but they're the 6th best team in our division so far.Only because they came late to the party. They are the best team in the division by some distance presently. Final positions in the table count for nothing anyway, once the playoffs start. Besides, they'll probably finish third or fourth anyway.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Apr 22, 2017 20:49:24 GMT 1
they are better than us. they have scored 9 goals against us in two games. anyone who suggests we are as good as they are is quite frankly deluded. Don't think anyone would claim anything else from the 2 games against them this season. But overall, we have more points even with a game in hand, so I don't see how anyone could claim they've been as good as us over the course of this season so far. If we end up facing them again, we're going to have to do something different though, as they clearly know how to play against us. Not making rudimentary errors would be a start! The problem as I see it capt is if we come up against Fulham in the play offs ( which I reckon we will ) how the hell will we cope psychologically with being dismantled twice by them ? I just can't see us beating them.. maybe Wednesday or reading will do us a favour and scalp them but I can't see that either Tbh
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Post by terryya on Apr 22, 2017 20:53:58 GMT 1
No doubting that Fulham have been better than us over 180 minutes but they are where they are on merit. They're still below us and only just got into the top six. Some people on here have then down as a cross between Brazil, total football Holland, Real Madrid, Barcelona and Bayern. Yes they're a decent attacking football side but they're the 6th best team in our division so far .Only because they came late to the party. They are the best team in the division by some distance presently. Final positions in the table count for nothing anyway, once the playoffs start. Besides, they'll probably finish third or fourth anyway. They're not though. They're not top of either the 6 or 10 match form tables and are similar to Massive, Brentford, Wolves and Reading who I don't think anyone would be getting their knickers in a twist about playing. Obviously Brighton are up there in both tables, but we don't need to worry about them at the moment.
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Post by slackjaw on Apr 22, 2017 20:54:03 GMT 1
Combination of them being bang on their game and us being bang off it. Don't think theres much to gain by dwelling on that too much. The players who made the individual blunders that cost will know what they did wrong. It was just a rank bad performance from the entire side. With brown back we can revert to the system that did so well for us earlier with Mooy in a deeper role. If teams are going to geggenpress our back 4 like Fulham did today, we need Mooy in there as hes the one with the composure to cope with that and still offer an out ball. Time to leave Lolley out now IMO. Just hasn't kicked on and doesn't look the player he did when he first arrived from non-league. 2 points from 3 games is all thats needed. The finishing line is in sight. Don't care if we stumble over it. Quite often its the teams that do that who come up trumps, but even if we fall short in the play-offs, we'll have had one hell of a season. Pretty much as I saw it,however we have (imo) the best footballer in the league in Mooy by some distance!! With Brown back and looking sharp im convinced we'll do it....the hard way!
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Post by vin on Apr 22, 2017 20:57:44 GMT 1
Don't think anyone would claim anything else from the 2 games against them this season. But overall, we have more points even with a game in hand, so I don't see how anyone could claim they've been as good as us over the course of this season so far. If we end up facing them again, we're going to have to do something different though, as they clearly know how to play against us. Not making rudimentary errors would be a start! The problem as I see it capt is if we come up against Fulham in the play offs ( which I reckon we will ) how the hell will we cope psychologically with being dismantled twice by them ? I just can't see us beating them.. maybe Wednesday or reading will do us a favour and scalp them but I can't see that either Tbh I remember Mansfield destroying us in our last home league game before we beat them in the final. Clutching at straws maybe but you never know
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Post by terryya on Apr 22, 2017 21:00:42 GMT 1
The problem as I see it capt is if we come up against Fulham in the play offs ( which I reckon we will ) how the hell will we cope psychologically with being dismantled twice by them ? I just can't see us beating them.. maybe Wednesday or reading will do us a favour and scalp them but I can't see that either Tbh I remember Mansfield destroying us in our last home league game before we beat them in the final. Clutching at straws maybe but you never know As a football fan I think you're brainwashed to expect the worst. I know for a fact that if we played Leeds in the final I'd expect us to lose more just because we beat them twice in the league. Likewise, if we'd beat Fulham 9-1 on aggregate during the season I'd just know Sod's law would have us lose the only one that counts.
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Apr 22, 2017 21:01:10 GMT 1
Fulham certainly know how to dismantle teams. Defensively, however, they're nowt special at all. We certainly should have had three or four goals today; the penalty, two very close headers by Schindler and Billing with the keeper nowhere, and Quaner's one-on-one.
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Post by wtd on Apr 22, 2017 21:08:18 GMT 1
Only because they came late to the party. They are the best team in the division by some distance presently. Final positions in the table count for nothing anyway, once the playoffs start. Besides, they'll probably finish third or fourth anyway. They're not though. They're not top of either the 6 or 10 match form tables and are similar to Massive, Brentford, Wolves and Reading who I don't think anyone would be getting their knickers in a twist about playing. Obviously Brighton are up there in both tables, but we don't need to worry about them at the moment. They are, though. Last four games: Fulham 3 - 1 Ipswich Norwich 1 - 3 Fulham Fulham 3 - 1 Villa Town 1 - 4 Fulham If that's not 'presently', then tell me what is! They are on fire, my friend.
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Post by vin on Apr 22, 2017 21:15:47 GMT 1
I remember Mansfield destroying us in our last home league game before we beat them in the final. Clutching at straws maybe but you never know As a football fan I think you're brainwashed to expect the worst. I know for a fact that if we played Leeds in the final I'd expect us to lose more just because we beat them twice in the league. Likewise, if we'd beat Fulham 9-1 on aggregate during the season I'd just know Sod's law would have us lose the only one that counts. That is what you sign up for with Town I'm afraid
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Post by shatterrier on Apr 22, 2017 21:18:43 GMT 1
They were excellent, very good to watch. Mind you so have we been. Fair play to them today It's a cliché but sometimes, even when you so want your team to win, you have to admire the opposition.
We knew after 'Carnage at Craven' that this would be a really hard one but having gone there I still harboured a faint hope that we might get our revenge.
At times today there play was sublime and I think that as good as we've been, at our best we'd have struggled today.
But, football is a funny old game. We may well meet Fulham again in the playoffs and we need to find a way to beat them. Wolves and Birmingham, our next 2 opponents did
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2017 21:28:04 GMT 1
Wagner should have reverted to the Mooy Hogg defensive midfield when we went 2-1 down. It was obvious then they were running thruogh us, it had been obvious to me before this game that Mooy is wrong further forward. The Billing injury was a blessing in disguise against PNE. I never want to see him up there again.
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Post by AndySk on Apr 22, 2017 21:55:24 GMT 1
They were excellent, very good to watch. Mind you so have we been. Fair play to them today It's a cliché but sometimes, even when you so want your team to win, you have to admire the opposition.
We knew after 'Carnage at Craven' that this would be a really hard one but having gone there I still harboured a faint hope that we might get our revenge.
At times today there play was sublime and I think that as good as we've been, at our best we'd have struggled today.
But, football is a funny old game. We may well meet Fulham again in the playoffs and we need to find a way to beat them. Wolves and Birmingham, our next 2 opponents did
A lot of similarities between Fulham today and us for most of the season. I now know how opposing fans have felt after playing us. Wasn't even all that pissed off, mainly impressed with Fulham than owt else, gotta appreciate good football, and that was just very well played by them
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Post by yeatonterrier on Apr 22, 2017 22:01:00 GMT 1
"Smith might have got in the team of the year but he's been pretty awful of late. Keeps just hoofing it down the line to no one" Read more: downatthemac.proboards.com/thread/104497/fulham-team#ixzz4ezv36BseAgree with this comment. Malone had the freedom of the left wing today. Central defence of Town wasn't too bad, but we were exposed on the flanks. Not helped by VLP losing the ball so frequently.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2017 22:37:00 GMT 1
One area they beat us today was the speed with which their front two closed down and hurried our defence and Hogg inducing several mistakes and at lest 1 goal. Whereas we had slow quanner and slow Mooy not able to get close enough. This is where both Wells and Kachunga & brown (previously Palmer) excel. Fulham have been good in both games against us but they're 6th on merit, not champions. Play off final both teams 100% at it it's a 50/50 game. We were half paced today and we still created several good chances.
At our best there's no one in this league that can live with us. I genuinely believe that and Wagner will have the players believing that come play offs. We completely dismantled Leeds, Brighton, reading, Norwich, et al. Yes we've been dicked a few times but every team has including the top 2.
That game wasn't both teams' best XI nor were both on their metal mentally.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2017 22:37:03 GMT 1
If they avoid any injuries then they will cruise the play offs. Very well suited to the Premier League with their pace too
Reminded me of Bournemouth taking us apart at the start of the season a couple of years back
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Post by deo1 on Apr 22, 2017 22:45:40 GMT 1
If they avoid any injuries then they will cruise the play offs. Very well suited to the Premier League with their pace too Reminded me of Bournemouth taking us apart at the start of the season a couple of years back The playoffs are a different ball game. Who can hold their nerve, who's up for it, who gets the run of the green? Any one of the teams in the playoffs can win them and any of the teams will have a chance of staying up in the PL.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Apr 22, 2017 22:49:13 GMT 1
For me the difference today was the fitness levels - they pressed us far better - forcing errors - and then broke with more intent and energy Need to get one more win asap so we can rest some of our key lads - obviously easier said than done! It's not fitness, it's pace. Nearly every one of their players is rapid. We didn't have one genuinely quick player start that game (VLP and Quaner are fairly quick but not on the same level as their lot) I didn't think it was fitness or pace. Strength on the ball - only Brown when he came on showed that. Disappointed with our inability to defend our right flank when it was so blairingly obvious what needed to be done. We weren't brave enough there.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Apr 22, 2017 22:52:00 GMT 1
Lolley was horrible, cost us at least 2 goals. Pushed high up then went narrow. Allowed the fullbacks to get in behind and then he has no pace to get back. Van la parra was equally manure. Never seen someone give the ball away that much. Thought he got back brilliantly to catch Aluko and take the ball off him in the second half and didn't give much ball away down my side in the second half, but I guess the damage was done by then.
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Apr 22, 2017 22:54:39 GMT 1
think quaner should be tried left wing That's not a bad idea. VLP can be great, but he was poor today. If Kachunga is well, he should be CF against Wolves. Don't understand any logic of moving Quaner out of a position he played well today?
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Apr 22, 2017 22:58:09 GMT 1
Fulham play the way Wagner would love us to play FACT We play too narrow down one side , they always kept the full back and winger out on the opposite side,so always had an out ball, when their press won the ball back which in turn gives them a fast breakaway. When Schindler or Lowe had the ball they put a man to close the angle down so the ball couldn't go to heff and Visa Versa with heff and smith , that's why smith had to play it long a lot They played really good pass and move football Think their speed of everything was so much better than us. Touch, pass, movement, thought..the lot. Our play is generally a bit slow and predictable but today more so than ever. In the end we faffed about with it, they closed us down and we end up lumping it ( or we end up making a cock up and handing them a chance) Mooys a great player but hes the main culprit IMO. Hes the one who sets the tone to our game- how slow and ponderous it is going to be. Sideways one way, then sideways the other, then back...over and over again. Whereas Fulham.., get the ball , quick pass, quick pass, quick pass and they're in. We actually did the same a few times and got in some good positions. But IMO theres just way too much slow arseing around with it whilst the opposition sort themselves out. He was partially a culprit - playing out of position. We were very naive today. Starting from the coach downwards.
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