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Post by cissystrutt74 on Jul 30, 2017 23:22:46 GMT 1
?!? Seriously? What are some people on? Do they go to town games and spend their entire time with their back to the game? You watch ALL the games back from last season and I will bet you there were less than 4 games where VLP wasn't effective. Happily bet you. Because he was often the difference, when we were struggling to get going or being pushed back he occupied their defence and pushed them onto the back foot. He usually had two players on him especially... and he still usually came out with the ball. The skills he has are ridiculous (I've made comment before but I don't think you can fully appreciate him live, you almost need to watch him on tv close up and slowmo replays to even realise what he has just done) I've never seen anyone at town with the skills he has. I admit and it's clear that he had difficulties finding an end product but he rarely had anyone available for him. He's not a goal scorer and hasn't been through his career so why try use that to knock him? If you are true town fans then do him and our team a favour... go away watch 4 of our games from last season and just watch VLP. Then come on here and review what you've seen. Go on. Spot on, just a 'like' isn't good enough for this post. I like VLP but can see what both sides see. He's got loads of talent and has the ability to get you out of your chair, but......it's become abit of standing joke between me and the little 'un that he'll all the hard work and get near the box but almost always point blank refuses to use his left foot. He'll generally lose the ball when he's trying to engineer it on to his right foot. I feel for him because sometimes it looks like he's been shoehorned to play that position but he would be much more comfortable, and probably effective, if he played on the right. I'd I'd still have him in the team though🙄
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Post by Melc on Jul 30, 2017 23:52:35 GMT 1
The lad from Barnsley,it's a no from me.Went to the game last Saturday and watched him closely and yes he has skills but is he what we need right now in Premier League then no he isn't. He was a 45 minute flash in the pan that's all,we need players to step in and keep us in this division and be consistent he is raw and not ready in my opinion and I think that money would be better spent elsewhere.But hey ho if Dave thinks he can do a job then,what will be will be. I think the people at the club who watch players week in week out have more of a idea than a fan watching a player for one game. To many on here worry to much and in all probability know bugger all about football.
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Post by willo on Jul 31, 2017 0:38:39 GMT 1
The lad from Barnsley,it's a no from me.Went to the game last Saturday and watched him closely and yes he has skills but is he what we need right now in Premier League then no he isn't. He was a 45 minute flash in the pan that's all,we need players to step in and keep us in this division and be consistent he is raw and not ready in my opinion and I think that money would be better spent elsewhere.But hey ho if Dave thinks he can do a job then,what will be will be. I think the people at the club who watch players week in week out have more of a idea than a fan watching a player for one game. To many on here worry to much and in all probability know bugger all about football. Well said Melc. How can you make an assessment on a player based on what you see over 45/90 mins in a pre-season friendly! Some people too quick to pass judgement.
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Post by northnottsblue on Jul 31, 2017 8:24:42 GMT 1
I think the people at the club who watch players week in week out have more of a idea than a fan watching a player for one game. To many on here worry to much and in all probability know bugger all about football. Well said Melc. How can you make an assessment on a player based on what you see over 45/90 mins in a pre-season friendly! Some people too quick to pass judgement. Sometimes I've had that much ale I can't tell who's who.I thought Alan Alan were good !
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 9:24:11 GMT 1
The lad from Barnsley,it's a no from me.Went to the game last Saturday and watched him closely and yes he has skills but is he what we need right now in Premier League then no he isn't. He was a 45 minute flash in the pan that's all,we need players to step in and keep us in this division and be consistent he is raw and not ready in my opinion and I think that money would be better spent elsewhere.But hey ho if Dave thinks he can do a job then,what will be will be. I think the people at the club who watch players week in week out have more of a idea than a fan watching a player for one game. To many on here worry to much and in all probab.ility know bugger all about football. y I am 100 percent behind your point in the last two lines of your post. You certainly have to watch study and find out about his character before judging any player. Believe me
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 31, 2017 9:43:46 GMT 1
In reality you are the living embodiment of the last two lines of his post
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 31, 2017 11:31:42 GMT 1
He wasn't used right here and that has been proved since .first time I saw him in Scotland it was very clear the lad could play. Which position didn't he play at town which would have brought out the best of him ( or enabled him to pass a ball five yards ) ? Wasn't the position - it was the system we played which more often than not didn't suit him. He had lots of fine games for Town as well. Remember a game at Cardiff early on when he sat in front of the full back (Hunt probably) and they completely denied Bellamy, and got in a few decent attacks as well. Dyche just brought that stuff out of him by giving a clear and consistent role in a settled team. Clarky was playing several different systems - often per game!
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jul 31, 2017 11:33:13 GMT 1
?!? Seriously? What are some people on? Do they go to town games and spend their entire time with their back to the game? You watch ALL the games back from last season and I will bet you there were less than 4 games where VLP wasn't effective. Happily bet you. Because he was often the difference, when we were struggling to get going or being pushed back he occupied their defence and pushed them onto the back foot. He usually had two players on him especially... and he still usually came out with the ball. The skills he has are ridiculous (I've made comment before but I don't think you can fully appreciate him live, you almost need to watch him on tv close up and slowmo replays to even realise what he has just done) I've never seen anyone at town with the skills he has. I admit and it's clear that he had difficulties finding an end product but he rarely had anyone available for him. He's not a goal scorer and hasn't been through his career so why try use that to knock him? If you are true town fans then do him and our team a favour... go away watch 4 of our games from last season and just watch VLP. Then come on here and review what you've seen. Go on. Spot on mate - people underestimate that role in the team so much. Going to be crucial to be able to do that in the PL.
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Post by tonytiler on Jul 31, 2017 13:12:14 GMT 1
I'm saying what I saw and if you was there you may understand,he didn't do anything 2nd half at all,1st half yes but is it worth throwing more money at a signing that may not be ready for the premier league when the club has already spent a large amount of money?? It's my opinion yours will be different end of.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 13:36:44 GMT 1
In reality you are the living embodiment of the last two lines of his post In reality ted ive been lucky to have seen many players over a long time and delighted that some have gone on to have made it in the game some at top level.retired now but still enjoy the game
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Post by King Curtis on Jul 31, 2017 14:01:12 GMT 1
I'm saying what I saw and if you was there you may understand,he didn't do anything 2nd half at all,1st half yes but is it worth throwing more money at a signing that may not be ready for the premier league when the club has already spent a large amount of money?? It's my opinion yours will be different end of. Different end of what?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 16:47:48 GMT 1
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jul 31, 2017 17:05:21 GMT 1
I'm saying what I saw and if you was there you may understand,he didn't do anything 2nd half at all,1st half yes but is it worth throwing more money at a signing that may not be ready for the premier league when the club has already spent a large amount of money?? It's my opinion yours will be different end of. Well thanks for the clarification.......
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Post by Essex Terrier on Jul 31, 2017 17:10:17 GMT 1
I'm saying what I saw and if you was there you may understand,he didn't do anything 2nd half at all,1st half yes but is it worth throwing more money at a signing that may not be ready for the premier league when the club has already spent a large amount of money?? It's my opinion yours will be different end of. Different end of what? ...sentences as we know them?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 17:32:08 GMT 1
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Post by York Terrier on Jul 31, 2017 19:15:25 GMT 1
Can't believe some Town fans !! These are the same moaning boo boys who always got on Scott Arfields back to the point of him getting a free transfer to Burnley and what happened to him there !!! Most football fans wouldn't know talent if it smacked them in the face !! Just cheer the team on to success or fuck off and watch it in your armchairs on TV. RVP was a main stay or our team last season for one reason only He is a Good Player who puts the fear of shit up defenders 😡 Arfield was absolutely wank for us! No hint of the player he would become was given in his time here. Perhaps you are the font of all knowledge and know everything about football? As a couple of examples my lack on ability to spot a talented player I thought ( and still do ) think Danny Ward was crap yet a certain manager at Cardiff has just purchased him for a reasonable fee. Also before DW I was not a fan of Tommy Smith but he has improved out of all recognition under DW. Perhaps there in lies the answer ( apart from Danny Ward) some players improve under different managers and different systems. But everyone has a right to their opinion even if you don't agree.
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Post by mightytj on Jul 31, 2017 19:16:07 GMT 1
Rumours on Twitter, Sunderland, Sheffield Utd and Barnsley interested in Joe Lolley; part of a deal for a player we are interested in maybe??
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Jul 31, 2017 19:36:27 GMT 1
Rumours on Twitter, Sunderland, Sheffield Utd and Barnsley interested in Joe Lolley; part of a deal for a player we are interested in maybe?? Difficult one. Lolley is one of those that if we get relegated (God forbid) then he could be a key player for us. If we can tie him to a longer deal and loan him out for a full season to a championship team where he plays then that's a win win for us.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 19:55:02 GMT 1
Rumours on Twitter, Sunderland, Sheffield Utd and Barnsley interested in Joe Lolley; part of a deal for a player we are interested in maybe?? Difficult one. Lolley is one of those that if we get relegated (God forbid) then he could be a key player for us. If we can tie him to a longer deal and loan him out for a full season to a championship team where he plays then that's a win win for us. won't the players that we've just signed be key players if we go down?
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Jul 31, 2017 19:57:45 GMT 1
Difficult one. Lolley is one of those that if we get relegated (God forbid) then he could be a key player for us. If we can tie him to a longer deal and loan him out for a full season to a championship team where he plays then that's a win win for us. won't the players that we've just signed be key players if we go down? Depends if you believe they will stay or not...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 20:02:05 GMT 1
won't the players that we've just signed be key players if we go down? Depends if you believe they will stay or not... aye suppose so,although there hardly seen as premiership players yet,so they might
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 31, 2017 20:04:47 GMT 1
So let's get this straight... you would stockpile lolley, who wasn't good enough for us last year, just in case we get relegated ( remember the parachute payments we will be getting )
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Post by mightytj on Jul 31, 2017 20:13:17 GMT 1
Depends if Wagner thinks he can improve, he always looks a bit frail, body wise to me, but has undoubtedly got bags of talent
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 31, 2017 20:16:32 GMT 1
Depends if Wagner thinks he can improve, he always looks a bit frail, body wise to me, but has undoubtedly got bags of talent Dwayne Holmes has bags of talent
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 20:20:59 GMT 1
Depends if Wagner thinks he can improve, he always looks a bit frail, body wise to me, but has undoubtedly got bags of talent Dwayne Holmes has bags of talent he has talent but is attitude is poor that's why he is no longer at town.
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Post by mightytj on Jul 31, 2017 20:21:44 GMT 1
Depends if Wagner thinks he can improve, he always looks a bit frail, body wise to me, but has undoubtedly got bags of talent Dwayne Holmes has bags of talent He can't touch Lolley in terms of ability and where were his bags of talent when he played for us, I certainly never saw it, I never thought he was the messiah, unlike many on here
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 31, 2017 20:29:11 GMT 1
Dwayne Holmes has bags of talent He can't touch Lolley in terms of ability and where were his bags of talent when he played for us, I certainly never saw it, I never thought he was the messiah, unlike many on here My point being you need more than talent to make it in the game... my hunch is that Joe lolley will make a living in league one... which is some achievement given his history
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Jul 31, 2017 20:35:09 GMT 1
So let's get this straight... you would stockpile lolley, who wasn't good enough for us last year, just in case we get relegated ( remember the parachute payments we will be getting ) Ok Why do you think we haven't sold Payne? Lolley has talent and with a full championship season behind him could a) be good enough or b) be worth 3 or 4 times what he is now.
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Post by Chips Longhorn on Jul 31, 2017 21:00:03 GMT 1
So let's get this straight... you would stockpile lolley, who wasn't good enough for us last year, just in case we get relegated ( remember the parachute payments we will be getting ) Ok Why do you think we haven't sold Payne? Lolley has talent and with a full championship season behind him could a) be good enough or b) be worth 3 or 4 times what he is now. Or could a) be not good enough and b) worth nowt... I can see the logic in loaning him out but I doubt he will be a mainstay of our team anytime soon whatever division we are in .. if we loan him to a championship club I don't see him playing more than 10-15 games.. I don't really see any progression from the player Scunthorpe sent back.,
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Jul 31, 2017 21:25:24 GMT 1
Why do you think we haven't sold Payne? Lolley has talent and with a full championship season behind him could a) be good enough or b) be worth 3 or 4 times what he is now. Or could a) be not good enough and b) worth nowt... I can see the logic in loaning him out but I doubt he will be a mainstay of our team anytime soon whatever division we are in .. if we loan him to a championship club I don't see him playing more than 10-15 games.. I don't really see any progression from the player Scunthorpe sent back., To be honest I'd written him off but out of the fringe players he is one I think could still improve. It depends what the offer is for him. If it's less than 500k I don't see the point of selling him.
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