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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 19:52:42 GMT 1
Sorry if I've missed it somewhere... Why was flo taken off? That knock he took or tactical? Tactical. Wagner said he wasn't at his best Didn't think Smith was much better though. Some wayward passing and some dangerous attacks down his side second half
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Post by Grizz on Dec 30, 2017 19:54:07 GMT 1
Sorry if I've missed it somewhere... Why was flo taken off? That knock he took or tactical? Tactical. Wagner said he wasn't at his best Didn't think Smith was much better though. Some wayward passing and some dangerous attacks down his side second half Agree, I think Smith, defensively has looked very poor in a few games this year, Stoke been the most recent example.
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Post by ACW on Dec 30, 2017 19:55:20 GMT 1
What's the secret of Burnley's success? My two penneths worth is that they don't really play with wide men like VLP and Big Col, who want to stretch the game out wide. They have in effect four central midfielders and five if you count the bloke in the hole. That allows them to smother teams, but not have too many attacking options. Their success is based on stopping the opposition from playing - a sound tactic, and they are obviously very good at it. In terms of attacking quality they don't pass teams off the pitch - they don't really pass it at all! - but they get it forward very, very quickly and play from there. They are obviously very fit and organised, and you need to play well to get through their defence. With that sort of solid base, strength from set pieces, and one or two good players they are a threat to anyone. They are beatable, but a team (even one of the top six) has to play very well to beat them. If their opposition is slightly off it, they will struggle. I don't think there's any secret to Dyche's tactics - but his team are obviously extremely fit and well drilled. Its not pretty on the eye, but its obviously effective, and levels the playing field when they play teams with better individual players. A bit like us, their team is better than the individual players that make it up. They have a different way of playing than we do, but the basis is the same - teamwork and hardwork. Good luck to Burnley - its good to see one the so-called smaller teams doing well - but I'd much rather watch a Wagner team than a Dyche team. Far, far too many longs balls for me. But each to their own I suppose.
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Post by townrwe on Dec 30, 2017 19:56:39 GMT 1
Quaner was terrible in front of him, as was ince and rvlp when they switched.
Tactical.... fine. But hadajonaj was no worse than the other 7 or 8 that didnt turn up.
lossl was immense, hogg tried, others not at their best.
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Post by explorer on Dec 30, 2017 19:56:43 GMT 1
On the balance of play if anyone deserved three points it was Burnley. Having said that, despite their dominance Lossl only had two routine saves to make the whole game ( Arfield's break into the box, and Wells' toe poke). In fact the best effort of the whole game was Col's first half screamer. Shame it didn't swerve a bit more...
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Post by impact on Dec 30, 2017 19:57:48 GMT 1
You must be basing it off games from a fair while ago, because no one who has seen his recent performances could in their right mind say he has been a boy in a man's game based off those. Unless that person had an immovable opinion on him, of course. A couple of decent cameos and he's turned into Iniesta? Yes of course I'm basing it on historical performances, in the same way that if Mooy had a couple of dud games I wouldn't be basing my opinion of him on those games rather than the last season and a half. In the majority of Joe's historical appearances he has flattered to deceive. Lots of earnest effort and a couple of good goals (in the lower division, not the PL of course) but an equal number of headless chicken runs into nowhere,losing the ball and ending up out way of position. Short of injuries, I can't see him replacing VLP , Ince or Quaner in the starting line up. But if you can, that's fine it's all about opinions. Cup starter (for our one game cup run..) then bench warming for me. Seemingly the latter then. No one is saying he's anything like Iniesta. I, along with others, are saying he's had 3 top appearances in a row now and deserves a start. Given the next game is less than 2 days away I can see him starting ahead of VLP who played the full 90 today. I don't get people who decide on a player and that's it, and base every performance off that. A few weeks back I said it shows how weak our squad is when Collin is starting. Over these past few games, before today anyway, IMO he has been our most consistent performer and deserves the shirt ahead of anyone else in that 3.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 19:58:32 GMT 1
we got lucky today. burnley were far quicker to the ball all game, and we looked a tad uninterested at times. the conditions helped us second half when burnley went hoofball. as for their so called penalty? referee didn't give it. I thought it was at the time.
lolley was good when he came on. everything VLP wasn't today. looked a threat when going forward and was unlucky not to be clean through on goal at one point, after being hacked down by the burnley defender.
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Post by htfc1984 on Dec 30, 2017 20:02:57 GMT 1
Sorry if I've missed it somewhere... Why was flo taken off? That knock he took or tactical? Tactical. Wagner said he wasn't at his best Didn't think Smith was much better though. Some wayward passing and some dangerous attacks down his side second half Malone looked more of a problem than Flo to me.
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Post by ponteterrier on Dec 30, 2017 20:03:06 GMT 1
Definitely a point gained as opposed to two lost. Burnley are in the league position they're in for a reason. They beat Chelsea away and nearly beat Man U. I am struggling to decide whether we were having an off day or whether Burnley made us look poor. And we rode our luck with the penalty decision.
In the last 5 or 6 four games the only one I can say I think we have dropped points is Stoke, which I think has been further highlighted by them being royally turned over again.
Still 6 off 18th, plenty of the season to go.
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Post by hypotenuse on Dec 30, 2017 20:03:40 GMT 1
Today’s game illustrated just how incredibly hard it will be to stay in this division. They were much more organised and composed on the ball and seemed to have clarity in all they did. It’s exactly as DW says - we have to overperform and others underperform if we are to get a win. Today we underperformed and were very lucky to get a point. Mooy was off the pace and Zanka and Depoitre much less good than previously. We used up some luck today. We’ll need plenty more to get the 14/15 points we need to stay up. However, it has been an extraordinary year and one worth celebrating as we usher in a new year 29 hours from now. If 2018 is half as good, I’ll be happy.
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Post by El Mel on Dec 30, 2017 20:05:25 GMT 1
Did we have a player above 6/10 today?
We need to take some pressure off of Mooy as well, seems like we are relying on him too much. Playmaker, midfield kingpin, corner taker....
Need to get a point at Leicester now really.
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Post by swam4mwg on Dec 30, 2017 20:14:21 GMT 1
Not great today, but it is another point gained. Every point is precious. Burnley were the only team likely to win. You can't be at your best every game and to be fair, Burnley are a good team.
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Post by irverino on Dec 30, 2017 20:20:03 GMT 1
Burnley's style was very similar to Fulham last season, seemed to catch DW out who was screaming at Lossl to play early ball over the top to try catch them out while they committed men forward & it got us Ht somehow goaless. Point gained in the end, credit to Burnley & Dyche you don't need a team of stars when you have whole team singing from the same hymn page...UTT
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Post by explorer on Dec 30, 2017 20:30:46 GMT 1
A couple of decent cameos and he's turned into Iniesta? Yes of course I'm basing it on historical performances, in the same way that if Mooy had a couple of dud games I wouldn't be basing my opinion of him on those games rather than the last season and a half. In the majority of Joe's historical appearances he has flattered to deceive. Lots of earnest effort and a couple of good goals (in the lower division, not the PL of course) but an equal number of headless chicken runs into nowhere,losing the ball and ending up out way of position. Short of injuries, I can't see him replacing VLP , Ince or Quaner in the starting line up. But if you can, that's fine it's all about opinions. Cup starter (for our one game cup run..) then bench warming for me. Seemingly the latter then. No one is saying he's anything like Iniesta. I, along with others, are saying he's had 3 top appearances in a row now and deserves a start. Given the next game is less than 2 days away I can see him starting ahead of VLP who played the full 90 today. I don't get people who decide on a player and that's it, and base every performance off that. A few weeks back I said it shows how weak our squad is when Collin is starting. Over these past few games, before today anyway, IMO he has been our most consistent performer and deserves the shirt ahead of anyone else in that 3. We'll have to agree to disagree then. Col deserves his place on recent form, Ince didn't get a full 90 and based on his work this season he will start, and VLP is usually one of the first names in the team sheet when he is fit. To force his way into the starting 11 Joe has to make a proper tangible difference when he comes on. How many goals and assists have these 3 "top performances"contributed? Injuries or a very tired VLP aside, I'll stick with bench on Monday, start in the cup. And a centre back pairing of Heff and Crainie.
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Post by On the Sidelines on Dec 30, 2017 20:41:58 GMT 1
Mooy looked knackered today. Burnley were first to most loose balls in midfield, they were one of the first teams to come to our place and look much fitter and stronger than us. All credit to them. They were very strong in defence and pushed LD off the ball time after time. Clearly a top 10 Premier League outfit, a model of where we need to get to.
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Post by jongoalmachinenewby on Dec 30, 2017 20:46:18 GMT 1
Thought some of our players looked really tired today, which is to be expected at this time of the year. Having a small squad makes it much harder.
Mooy looked absolutely done in. Think he probably needs a rest, Williams looked lively when he came on and should start at Leicester. Schindler and Zanka had a bit of a run around too, it’s difficult to drop either of them though.
A few signings in January will give us that extra strength in depth that will hopefully see us over the line.
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Post by detox on Dec 30, 2017 21:01:53 GMT 1
bit surprised at the Wimbledon tactics of Burnley...yes they were effective, hard working ..but for all that they couldn't score. They were good in the air and hunted in packs, while we were chasing shadows and caught dawdling on the ball too often. I thought we deserved at least a point and I was impressed that we stood firm against that 1st half onslaught. problem though is we carry too many passengers..1st half how many passes down the rhs did we waste, 10-12? Wasn't surprised to see Flo off and Smith on..but Mooy was caught out too often, Ince couldn't get into the game, Hogg played well but he did wander around a bit and our wide players were by-passed by Burnleys hoof-ball. . Too many passes and first touches were off today but we rallied in 2nd half. Happy with a point after that disjointed performance ...
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Post by philincalifornia on Dec 30, 2017 21:05:53 GMT 1
Mooy looked knackered today. Burnley were first to most loose balls in midfield, they were one of the first teams to come to our place and look much fitter and stronger than us. All credit to them. They were very strong in defence and pushed LD off the ball time after time. Clearly a top 10 Premier League outfit, a model of where we need to get to. Absolutely, I'll give them some credit for that, but it seemed like we were gifting their tacklers 60:40 balls in their favour all game long.
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Post by buckers on Dec 30, 2017 21:06:01 GMT 1
Sorry if I've missed it somewhere... Why was flo taken off? That knock he took or tactical? Tactical. Wagner said he wasn't at his best Didn't think Smith was much better though. Some wayward passing and some dangerous attacks down his side second half In comparison to Malone, Smith looked an international footballer!
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Dec 30, 2017 21:06:31 GMT 1
Need someone to come in and play instead of mooy, give him a bit of a rest and also push him a bit. I can’t help but think that some games mooys motivation drops.
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Dec 30, 2017 21:08:24 GMT 1
Remember all those teams last season who said they had an off game or that their players didn’t turn up? It happened week in and week out, we knew that it was our pressing game which made them look poor.
Today we got a taste of our own medicine.
We move on, a good point against a team picking up points against all the top 6.
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Post by El Mel on Dec 30, 2017 21:10:02 GMT 1
Tactical. Wagner said he wasn't at his best Didn't think Smith was much better though. Some wayward passing and some dangerous attacks down his side second half In comparison to Malone, Smith looked an international footballer! Wouldn’t be surprised if we had illness in the squad. Malone was signalling to Lossl to hold onto the ball after about 5 minutes. They all looked well off the pace to me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 21:11:25 GMT 1
Need someone to come in and play instead of mooy, give him a bit of a rest and also push him a bit. I can’t help but think that some games mooys motivation drops. I'll do Mooy's job on Monday. I'm free. But let me know if I'm needed as I need to prepare by getting my hair shaved off. pssssst....I'm not talking about the hair on my head.
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Post by buckers on Dec 30, 2017 21:12:22 GMT 1
Need someone to come in and play instead of mooy, give him a bit of a rest and also push him a bit. I can’t help but think that some games mooys motivation drops. I called mooy last week saying he was poor. Today he didn't get a sniff because they put 2 men on him all game. He looked more at ease playing the number 10 role when we brought Williams on. Tom Ince today was a passanger. How many times did Depoitre win a header and Ince not make a run? We did well for all burnleys faults they're a decent side.
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Post by specialun on Dec 30, 2017 21:15:23 GMT 1
Tactical. Wagner said he wasn't at his best Didn't think Smith was much better though. Some wayward passing and some dangerous attacks down his side second half In comparison to Malone, Smith looked an international footballer! Did Malone manage to make any successful passes to a Town player in the final third? He either seemed to lose the ball, run into trouble or hit the first man with his cross Smith did as well as anyone going forward today imo - his first touch in the other half played Mooy into the box. That alone did more than Flo in 45 minutes. Smith did well Boxing Day as well, he played Quanner in for the goal and put the excellent ball in for Mounie's chance. It wasn't Flo's day, his first 3 passes went out of play - he didn't seem to realise there was any wind. The balls he was playing were goodbye but didn't adjust delivery / flight for the wind. Hogg told him 3 times alone! He made an excellent interception / block end of the half to be fair.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 21:15:44 GMT 1
Need someone to come in and play instead of mooy, give him a bit of a rest and also push him a bit. I can’t help but think that some games mooys motivation drops. I called mooy last week saying he was poor. Today he didn't get a sniff because they put 2 men on him all game. He looked more at ease playing the number 10 role when we brought Williams on. Tom Ince today was a passanger. How many times did Depoitre win a header and Ince not make a run? We did well for all burnleys faults they're a decent side. Hopefully we won't have too many more games with Ince in the number 10 role. That position must surely be top priority for January given we won't play the two natural players we have for that position
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 21:16:26 GMT 1
We looked tired.lots of balls bouncing off shins and 50/50s lost. Malone and Depoitre looked slightly off the pace, VLP seemed slightly sluggish and got caught in possession more times than normal. We looked like we needed freshening up a little.
I thought Burnley were very impressive. Let’s not forget they’ve failed to score past us twice this season though. It goes down as a good point for me.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Dec 30, 2017 21:18:52 GMT 1
I think one are two are missing the point today....we made Burnley look good because every last player bar Lossl under-performed. No zip or enough desire. They are quite average and just did a Town on Town. Stayed very high when Lossl had it...2 men right up on the edge of the box...quick press when they lost it, tried to move it quickly when they had it.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Dec 30, 2017 21:20:23 GMT 1
Malone, Quaner, Smith, VLP did not even look like Champs players today...quite awful. Basically we had no midfield intent.
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Post by specialun on Dec 30, 2017 21:21:13 GMT 1
Need someone to come in and play instead of mooy, give him a bit of a rest and also push him a bit. I can’t help but think that some games mooys motivation drops. He does look jaded but no surprise given the football he's played - and having not had a full break over the summer Whether on or off form he still looks to make us tick. Don't forget he also covers more ground than any other Town player week in week out The only player who could play his role is Billing. I dont think we can afford to rest him Monday but expect Williams starts - maybe with Mooy further forward. Mooy should be given next weekend off completely to have a proper rest.
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