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Post by raggytash on Jan 20, 2018 20:59:56 GMT 1
Very poor today, against a poor side. Mooy worst game in a town shirt, mounie no better. Had a couple of beers with the mayor of cov, and met otium highlight of a miserable day 😉
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Post by BottomLip on Jan 20, 2018 21:01:24 GMT 1
But you think certain posters are correct that a change in manager gives us a better chance staying up. Does it fuckers. Get these lot to give a name that would do the job A realistic one. Wagner is here if we are 5 adrift, I couldn't care less. Sean Dyche, look at him with Burnley, relegated,knew what to do should they bounce back and voilà they're playing unreal football. The clowns you think are correct are most certainly not. Upsetting the applecart of german players,not to mention new purchases brought in. Absolute horse shit Unreal football? They haven't won for 8 games and things starting to level out now after some very fortunate single goal wins. Solid side but unreal football is stretching it a bit This season, not the short term. Why do folk on here only see short term stuff? Like with town,bit of a bad run and let's sack Wagner? Curious
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Post by ranter73 on Jan 20, 2018 21:05:01 GMT 1
another abject away game and once we went predictably 1-0 down after a few minutes of 2nd half again (how many times has that happened) couldn't see we had any plan to try and get back in it.
moody poor again, hardly in it and when he was distribution poor, yet again wingers didn't put any balls into box, Mounie starved of service but doesn't do much at all and certainly doesn't chase things down and Sabiri's effort in converting ball when in 6 yard box was pathetic.
I know we've overachieved to get here but let's put an effort in when it comes to Saturday's - Stoke were 3rd bottom, conceded 50 goals and not kept a clean sheet since October and yet DW says we've been beaten by a better quality team! who are we going to beat then? looking grim to me. UTT
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Post by shawsie on Jan 20, 2018 21:06:18 GMT 1
What’s lacking is belief. That’s what got us here and that’s what will keep us here. The players overachieved to get us up and them plus the new players need to do it again to keep us up. It’s an extremely difficult proposition if you look at it realistically with regard to our resources. Unfortunately lots of us have got carried away and now have slightly unreal expectations. That allied to a drop in performance level is where we find ourselves. We simply don’t have the quality to do this without belief from the players and the fans. Unfortunately looks like some of us have already given up. The team beat many to it by surrendering last week and doing fuck knows what this week.. if its all just about money whats the point of them turning up and even more so the fans turning up? slightly unreal expectations?? its football, give it a fucking big boot and chase it would bring more play in the opponents box than we manage.. I expect us to at least have an attacking idea and intent, even a small one.. there isn't any.. its slow, dull and fucking fruitless.. Sadly today I'm with you!!!! No pattern no tempo bullied etc etc etc. Wagner carries the can as manager but he must be so disappointed in his squad today. Second best for desire application and effort from the first whistle..............folks around me going mad with mounie and his body language stinks....but depoitre was worse when he came on. Did nothing but you can't blame them - the service was embarrassing. Mooy and Hogg were outclassed throughout .......by a dads army in Fletcher and Adam who both looked more mobile and tenacious throughout and the least said about the full backs the better. Absolutely awful day.
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jan 20, 2018 21:15:40 GMT 1
Wow, i did not believe i would see so many Wagner "out" shouts...that really is a step too far. We are our own worst enemy. Depoitre clearly needs to play. Lets go two up front. Lets be positive and go 3-5-2...you can still press and we are under the cosh so much anyway that countering will happen as a matter of consequence. 2nd half Stoke just came alive, they were energetic, busy...thats all. They have Allen, Mouting, Shakira and Kouma...the rest..including Shawcross are shite. I genuinely believe we are as good as them. VLP and Mooy have gone AWOL, Mounie too. Something is amiss behind the scenes. It was awful today but rivals lost and we still have time. At least they dropped the back-passes and Lossl kicked long and immediately....a start!!
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Jan 20, 2018 21:18:38 GMT 1
Very poor today, against a poor side. Mooy worst game in a town shirt, mounie no better. Had a couple of beers with the mayor of cov, and met otium highlight of a miserable day 😉 A pleasure...and to think we stood together at Leeds road 40 years ago! Thanks for the Chablis.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 21:20:55 GMT 1
Wow, i did not believe i would see so many Wagner "out" shouts...that really is a step too far. We are our own worst enemy. Depoitre clearly needs to play. Lets go two up front. Lets be positive and go 3-5-2...you can still press and we are under the cosh so much anyway that countering will happen as a matter of consequence. 2nd half Stoke just came alive, they were energetic, busy...thats all. They have Allen, Mouting, Shakira and Kouma...the rest..including Shawcross are shite. I genuinely believe we are as good as them. VLP and Mooy have gone AWOL, Mounie too. Something is amiss behind the scenes. It was awful today but rivals lost and we still have time. At least they dropped the back-passes and Lossl kicked long and immediately....a start!! I like this post. I agree we need to go positive. 3-5-2 is the way forward. We don't have the players to play 4-2-3-1 as this leaves our midfield overrun. It might not be coincedence mooys game has dropped off lately as teams are becoming aware of our tactics and overload the middle of the park. we have 2 strikers, so lets use em. Pick a side to get us all back on the same side. If it ain't good enough then at least lets give it a go. At the moment we're just going through the motions like boro did.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 21:25:37 GMT 1
Wow, i did not believe i would see so many Wagner "out" shouts...that really is a step too far. We are our own worst enemy. Depoitre clearly needs to play. Lets go two up front. Lets be positive and go 3-5-2...you can still press and we are under the cosh so much anyway that countering will happen as a matter of consequence. 2nd half Stoke just came alive, they were energetic, busy...thats all. They have Allen, Mouting, Shakira and Kouma...the rest..including Shawcross are shite. I genuinely believe we are as good as them. VLP and Mooy have gone AWOL, Mounie too. Something is amiss behind the scenes. It was awful today but rivals lost and we still have time. At least they dropped the back-passes and Lossl kicked long and immediately....a start!! wasn't at the game but shouts of wagner out really shows the ignorance of some fans.its a difficult time but lots can happen yet
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Post by Yuta be a terrier on Jan 20, 2018 21:28:11 GMT 1
The biggest problem Wagner has is that the fans are turning on them. Relied heavily on our support and belief but the last 2 performance are bringing out the negativity. Yes we have done well to be here but the reality is we got ourselves well clear before Xmas and now we have sucked in through 5 pretty ordinary performances. It's up to them to get us back on side now. RUBBISH....they are under-performing with the fans behind them. Wagners biggest problem is the negative set-up, the lack of Prem quality players, the inability to shoot and stupid, schoolboy mistakes at the back! The fans ain't the problem...we are the best in the league! Fans aren't the problem no, but for the first time in 18 months the boos are coming in. Fans have more than played their part in this journey but they need something to believe in and today it was evident that yet another away day disaster was starting to take its toll. All I'm saying is that the team and Wagner need to step up now they can't expect fans to be content with the last 4 league performances.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 21:37:42 GMT 1
RUBBISH....they are under-performing with the fans behind them. Wagners biggest problem is the negative set-up, the lack of Prem quality players, the inability to shoot and stupid, schoolboy mistakes at the back! The fans ain't the problem...we are the best in the league! Fans aren't the problem no, but for the first time in 18 months the boos are coming in. Fans have more than played their part in this journey but they need something to believe in and today it was evident that yet another away day disaster was starting to take its toll. All I'm saying is that the team and Wagner need to step up now they can't expect fans to be content with the last 4 league performances. this. i'm no fan of this 'we're just happy to be here' bullshit. the fans want to see players bust a gut. they want to see a performance. they want something to get behind. We're offering little to nothing at the moment. It has to change. Time for the players to actually earn their money or they will begin to lose the fans big time.
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Post by Ibiza Town on Jan 20, 2018 21:38:57 GMT 1
I understand the reaction but really tbh this was always likely to happen and happen now. The players and in fact whole club and supporters have realised what is a stake here and are scared have lost confidence and frozen. It happens and usually about now. These are young men who haven't experienced pressure like this before. This is new territory for Wagner. The teams that work through this and find some form whether by clever management or luck are the ones that survive st this level. Remember there are probably 5 other clubs that are in s similar situation. Let's see how we respond. For me the dressing room is huge from now on and I'd have to 'risk' Hef very soon to give us more belief and a bsll into Pritchard. It's asking a lot of him as he's never played at this level but I have a feeling he may play a significant role in this run in. Pressure off in next couple of game in a way sonnet be able to find some form and confidence if we can frustrate and contain. I agree with all this. Wagner is learning as much as the players are, but he fucked up today, and its not the first time, but he is allowed to sometimes. Now comes his biggest test, he has to turn it turn around (again) As for those calling him for out, well theres always going to be some fools knocking about. Ignore
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Post by Made In Yorkshire on Jan 20, 2018 21:45:39 GMT 1
I've said it before but where is the leadership ON the pitch? Wagner can do his work before the match and at half time but the 90 minutes that matter are when he's on the touchline. There looks to be a huge vacuum of leadership on the grass with no one appearing to control, motivate and drive the others on. If there's one player in the Town team that could do that and be considered a talisman figure it's Hefele and if it was down to me I'd maybe sacrifice a little outright performance in order to get him involved in a game. Let's face it, what is there to lose?
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Post by Larry David on Jan 20, 2018 21:48:15 GMT 1
For me we lack creativity in the centre of the park. Hogg and mooy don't create anything together and are far too defensive. Pritchard today was invisible... Why... Because no one was supporting him. When we attack we move as slow as overcooked porridge falling from a spoon.
Attack and defend in numbers and don't make silly mistakes. I really don't see how it's more complicated than that.
I don't know of we will get relegated or not but I cannot abide lack of effort no matter who the manger is.
Wagner is the best thing to happen go htafc and I trust him to get it right. Think today may have changed his mind about the transfer market however.
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Post by KiwiPom on Jan 20, 2018 21:48:46 GMT 1
It wasn't that Town were the worst Team - just that Stoke were a far better team. They have better quality players that cost a lot more than Town's, they were totally up for it with the crowd and a new manager behind them. Most of the bottom 10 teams (and some of the top 10) would have been out muscled and beaten there today.
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Post by Big Ern on Jan 20, 2018 21:49:39 GMT 1
There is no way we should be signing anybody else. If we are gonna be relegated then let's not do it by spending all of our money.
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Post by Ibiza Town on Jan 20, 2018 21:55:53 GMT 1
It wasn't that Town were the worst Team - just that Stoke were a far better team. They have better quality players that cost a lot more than Town's, they were totally up for it with the crowd and a new manager behind them. Most of the bottom 10 teams (and some of the top 10) would have been out muscled and beaten there today. Dont agree with this at all. I was there today and if we had have played with half the determination and sprit we had against say Man U, we would have won by a mile. Too many players looked either tired, demotivated or disinterested, and I really dont know which.
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Post by raggytash on Jan 20, 2018 22:02:30 GMT 1
Very poor today, against a poor side. Mooy worst game in a town shirt, mounie no better. Had a couple of beers with the mayor of cov, and met otium highlight of a miserable day 😉 A pleasure...and to think we stood together at Leeds road 40 years ago! Thanks for the Chablis. Your welcome 🍷
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Post by waltzingthecowshed on Jan 20, 2018 22:13:29 GMT 1
It wasn't that Town were the worst Team - just that Stoke were a far better team. They have better quality players that cost a lot more than Town's, they were totally up for it with the crowd and a new manager behind them. Most of the bottom 10 teams (and some of the top 10) would have been out muscled and beaten there today. second half Stoke were ok but first half they were abysmal
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Post by philincalifornia on Jan 20, 2018 22:15:40 GMT 1
You seem to think that people are basing that on just today. It doesn’t matter what they’re basing it on. Anyone seriously suggesting Wagner should be sacked after the monumental progress Town have made in the last 2 years are exactly as Mr X said - fucking idiots. .... and, fortunately for us, Dean Hoyle is the opposite of a fucking idiot.
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Post by Dillinger on Jan 20, 2018 22:58:23 GMT 1
A lot of overreaction here, we collapsed after we conceded, it wasn’t that bad up until that point.
We are low on confidence, and that is causing us to lack tempo as we spend too much time playing the ball backwards. Allen was all over Mooy, that really suffocated us..
Most disappointing for me was the fact we were outfought.. I thought Stoke were shite, but they did want it more. Malone needs to have done better for their first.
Fans were shit, and Stoke is a fucking dump
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Post by York Terrier on Jan 20, 2018 23:00:26 GMT 1
Lambert saying we never threatened them? That is not good enough, not against Stoke. Wagner's creating all sorts of problems for himself now. What sort of post is this it’s just rubbish why is Wagner creating problems for himself? for goodness sake he is the best manager we have had in 45 years just stick with him and stop this nonsense about sacking him we have the next six games to get our season back on track so let’s not forget what position we where in just two yeas ago and get behind him and the team.
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Post by jqhtfc on Jan 20, 2018 23:07:52 GMT 1
The highlights are up on the skysports app. Not one clip of us going forwards. Looks like we didn’t even try. Because there wasn’t any
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 23:18:13 GMT 1
A lot of overreaction here, we collapsed after we conceded, it wasn’t that bad up until that point. We are low on confidence, and that is causing us to lack tempo as we spend too much time playing the ball backwards. Allen was all over Mooy, that really suffocated us.. Most disappointing for me was the fact we were outfought.. I thought Stoke were shite, but they did want it more. Malone needs to have done better for their first. Fans were shit, and Stoke is a fucking dump Not that bad? 51% pass completion in the first half and no attempts at goal suggest otherwise. It was only a matter of time before we collapsed, it's happened so many times early in the second half away from home this season. Can't be arsed to check properly but pretty sure same thing happened at West Ham, Liverpool, Everton, Leicester and now Stoke. All shite first half performances but level at the break and then the opposition apply a little bit of pressure at the start of the second half and we roll out the red carpet to three points
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Post by andyeastleake on Jan 20, 2018 23:46:28 GMT 1
Personally, I think certain posters here are correct: a change of manager could give us more hope of staying up. I posted earlier on the Poll thread. I was p****d off with how negative the board was & said I'd log off. I did but I'm in a good mood because my lucky 15 at Ascot/Haydock (watched via Sky+) came up so I logged on again. I jumped to page 28 of the match thread. Wish I hadn't. You are of course entitled to your opinion (& I confess I didn't read further than the point I've quoted). However I'm also entitled to mine which is that you are talking complete and utter sh*8te and you don't recognise just how f*****g lucky you have been to have had David Wagner as the manager of this club. I don't think anyone else could have taken us from where we were to here (and TBH he had some good fortune on the way to achieve it).
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Post by shedds on Jan 21, 2018 0:04:12 GMT 1
one of the things that frustrated me a lot today ,was quite a few times the balls played over the top or down the line was either overhit or was nobody there to get onto it ,was as if they didnt actually look up at times to see if anyone was there to receive the ball
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jan 21, 2018 0:32:26 GMT 1
Personally, I think certain posters here are correct: a change of manager could give us more hope of staying up. I posted earlier on the Poll thread. I was p****d off with how negative the board was & said I'd log off. I did but I'm in a good mood because my lucky 15 at Ascot/Haydock (watched via Sky+) came up so I logged on again. I jumped to page 28 of the match thread. Wish I hadn't. You are of course entitled to your opinion (& I confess I didn't read further than the point I've quoted). However I'm also entitled to mine which is that you are talking complete and utter sh*8te and you don't recognise just how f*****g lucky you have been to have had David Wagner as the manager of this club. I don't think anyone else could have taken us from where we were to here (and TBH he had some good fortune on the way to achieve it). Dave is manager, he takes the plaudits and he gets the grief.. if he manages in this country for any long period of time he will see both sides again.. we are predictably slow, incredibly dull to watch and its set up to be that way in the hope of staying in games and sneaking something, which we then go all out to do nothing to add to.. we got an equaliser last week in a game we totally ran for 30 odd minutes without making a serious half chance, we then folded and fell apart with mistakes and then a lack of grit to at least stop it getting worse.. We spent 45 minutes today watching stoke do nothing and we did nothing in return. Therefore the 'plan' was working but again half time came and went and we walked out again half asleep and confident in our ability to do nothing and get 'something'.. Obviously there are a few fans who will never be happy even if we were top 7 and pushing for europe but the rest of us just want to see some urgency and some intent. The difference in money today was not apparent for 98% of the game whilst we offered nothing going forward?? the 2% fucked us over because we just didnt play with any intent for 100% of it near enough.. Please dont tell me again about the money, we are beating ourselves often before a ball is kicked or a pay slip handed out. the position is not hopeless, far from it but there has to be a seed change, we have to start at 100mph and im afraid it has to continue for as long as we can manage, bollox and leg work are required and any way we can win a game or get a point is totally acceptable for me.. principles can fucking wait till we have the team in this league to carry them off but we have to be here for that to happen.
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Post by Stiggy on Jan 21, 2018 0:33:50 GMT 1
Just watched the highlights or should I say lowlights! Surely Malone should have cleared that first one? Ffs! What happened to players putting their bodies on the line. Zanka nice guy but surely I’m not the only one that sees this guy offers nothing? Can’t pass for shit, too slow and just lashes at every ball. His positional sense is terrible! Mooy! has happened to him? Spraying stay balls all over the place, giving two yard passes away. Jesus. Mounié. I know he doesn’t get much service but what a lazy T**t. Does nothing unless the ball falls in his lap. 11m down shitter imo! And why when we go a goal behind do we go all out attack with half a game left to play?? Ffs I’m off to bed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 1:30:03 GMT 1
Personally, I think certain posters here are correct: a change of manager could give us more hope of staying up. I posted earlier on the Poll thread. I was p****d off with how negative the board was & said I'd log off. I did but I'm in a good mood because my lucky 15 at Ascot/Haydock (watched via Sky+) came up so I logged on again. I jumped to page 28 of the match thread. Wish I hadn't. You are of course entitled to your opinion (& I confess I didn't read further than the point I've quoted). However I'm also entitled to mine which is that you are talking complete and utter sh*8te and you don't recognise just how f*****g lucky you have been to have had David Wagner as the manager of this club. I don't think anyone else could have taken us from where we were to here (and TBH he had some good fortune on the way to achieve it). Then it shows how dumb some posters are - rather than read a full post, they spit the dummy out after a few sentences. Imagine if book reviews were written after the first paragraph? I’m very aware of how lucky we are, which you’d probably have seen had you read the post.
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Post by Baby-face Frankenstein on Jan 21, 2018 2:36:11 GMT 1
Personally, I think certain posters here are correct: a change of manager could give us more hope of staying up. We're a one trick pony and have most certainly been found out. The EPL has some of the best tactical managers in the entire world, and the majority of them have seen where we are weak. That said, no way does Wagner deserve to be removed. Not a chance. What we've achieved on the back of his philosophy has been phenomenal. He didn't leave to go to Wolfsburg as he wanted to finish the job and I believe it's only fair to support him now until the end of the season. Regardless what happens, I doubt we'll have DW next season anyway. Do you know why so many clubs continuously change managers in the EPL though? Because it often works. Stoke, Palace, Everton, West Ham etc. Once a rut sets in and players' confidence drops, like we have now, it's difficult to get out of it. It's even more difficult for promoted sides who are expected to struggle anyway. A new manager can give a short-term boost and a new unexpected playing style, enough to get the extra few points required to stay up. I try looking at things as impartially as One can when it comes to our own club, and no matter which way I look at it I can't help but feel we are already on a slide down the league that we won't be able to stop. If our transfer dealings are already completed, I think it says a lot about our confidence in our ability to stay in this league too; We will do what we can with what we have. Trying to work out whether you actually want a change of manager or not. Your first paragraph indicates that you do. And the second sort of that you don't. Your third paragraph goes on to suggest there are teams about who provide examples of it being a good thing to get rid of a manager - the fourth attempts to underline that suggestion. Your fifth suggests that when viewed in all impartiality, we are on an unstoppable slide, and know it to boot. On the face of it, there's not much working out to do. Sounds to me like you want to wheelbarrow our David back to Germany.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 3:03:03 GMT 1
Personally, I think certain posters here are correct: a change of manager could give us more hope of staying up. We're a one trick pony and have most certainly been found out. The EPL has some of the best tactical managers in the entire world, and the majority of them have seen where we are weak. That said, no way does Wagner deserve to be removed. Not a chance. What we've achieved on the back of his philosophy has been phenomenal. He didn't leave to go to Wolfsburg as he wanted to finish the job and I believe it's only fair to support him now until the end of the season. Regardless what happens, I doubt we'll have DW next season anyway. Do you know why so many clubs continuously change managers in the EPL though? Because it often works. Stoke, Palace, Everton, West Ham etc. Once a rut sets in and players' confidence drops, like we have now, it's difficult to get out of it. It's even more difficult for promoted sides who are expected to struggle anyway. A new manager can give a short-term boost and a new unexpected playing style, enough to get the extra few points required to stay up. I try looking at things as impartially as One can when it comes to our own club, and no matter which way I look at it I can't help but feel we are already on a slide down the league that we won't be able to stop. If our transfer dealings are already completed, I think it says a lot about our confidence in our ability to stay in this league too; We will do what we can with what we have. Trying to work out whether you actually want a change of manager or not. Your first paragraph indicates that you do. And the second sort of that you don't. Your third paragraph goes on to suggest there are teams about who provide examples of it being a good thing to get rid of a manager - the fourth attempts to underline that suggestion. Your fifth suggests that when viewed in all impartiality, we are on an unstoppable slide, and know it to boot. On the face of it, there's not much working out to do. Sounds to me like you want to wheelbarrow our David back to Germany. Wagner deserves the season, and would have done had we gotten zero points. What he achieved last year was amazing. Loyalty isn’t common in football but DW showed some last season and we should do now. My positivity or negativity of how I think we will go in the last few games is irreevent to whether I want DW to stay or not. I do. I hope he proves me and the other doubters wrong and that we do indeed stay up. It is certainly going to be close. If this year was a standalone season and DW had only joined in August, then it would be very different. I understand, though again I don’t agree we should, the view of people wanting change to give us a chance to stay up. Maybe because I feel as though we look pretty doomed and have done for a while (aside from the Watford game). Players look lost of confidence and IMO it is getting worse, not better. Not many teams beat such a slide down the EPL table without change. Regardless of how this season goes I do think he’ll leave this summer. He’ll be in demand and how much further can he take us? I’m not for one second saying we’d make the call, I’m saying I think he’ll walk no matter which way it goes. Relegation to me isn’t the end of the world, and DW has done so much that he should be given every opportunity to see out the job and succeed. To others, survival is the most important thing and legitimate questions over DW’s ability to keep us up are apparent.
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