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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 17:34:34 GMT 1
Michael Oliver in charge at Stoke. Could be seeking revenge for his cock-ups at Watford! Stoke to win then. So your reasoning after making perceived cock ups is to make more?
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Post by aksaiblue on Jan 16, 2018 18:09:08 GMT 1
It is what it is, staying up is in our own hands and I am sure DW has something up his sleeve (other than his arm) for the Stoke game.
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Jan 16, 2018 18:13:07 GMT 1
I said yes get in when West Ham appointed Moyes, when Palace appointed Hodgson and when West Brom appointed Pardew. Keeping shtum on this one! TBH I didn't think Moyes and Hodgson were bad appointments. Both have a much more immpressive PL CV than Lambert. Pardew less convinced & not yet convinced he will finish better than Pulis would have done. Neither West Ham or Palace should have been doing as badly as they were. Not sure West Brom (and to a lesser degree Stoke) are that far away from what most would have expected. if wemake a good start it might not be a bad time to play Stoke. Their supporters weren't happy with Hughes and don't seem much happier with Lambert (although on Saturday when they've had the new manager bounce thar sentence may look a bit daft) Good players can get stuck in a rut, especially when they are confidence players. The quality of players that West Ham and that have can and will do a lot better if they are full of confidence. If they appoint a manager who they don’t know or respect then it will not help their confidence much so improving play is the aim. However, if you can get a manager in who the players know or respect then you can immediately improve the team through raising confidence. It’s well known that Fergie used that to get more out of any player than any other manager could manage (for example, “you’ve seen my teams, you’ve seen the players I’ve had, you are up there with them now go out and show it”) hence why Fergie won the league that last time with a team who frankly would not have performed at that level in a million years. The same has happened at West Ham, Moyes like him or not he can go in and whisper in Aurnautovics ear “you Remind me of van persie, when I was at United he shone, you don’t have to worry about anything just go out there and have fun, show them how good you are” Doesn’t matter if it’s true or not, the fact is that Moyes has that credibility from working with good players. If a manager can go in and get a boost in confidence then the play suddenly improves and the players therefore buy-in to what he’s saying because the teams improving.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 18:57:14 GMT 1
Lössl Flo Zanka Schindler Kongolo Mooy Hogg Ince Pritchard VLP Mounié I’d go with this team - except I am baffled as to why you would start with Mounie over LD based on recent performances.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 20:13:56 GMT 1
TBH I didn't think Moyes and Hodgson were bad appointments. Both have a much more immpressive PL CV than Lambert. Pardew less convinced & not yet convinced he will finish better than Pulis would have done. Neither West Ham or Palace should have been doing as badly as they were. Not sure West Brom (and to a lesser degree Stoke) are that far away from what most would have expected. if wemake a good start it might not be a bad time to play Stoke. Their supporters weren't happy with Hughes and don't seem much happier with Lambert (although on Saturday when they've had the new manager bounce thar sentence may look a bit daft) Good players can get stuck in a rut, especially when they are confidence players. The quality of players that West Ham and that have can and will do a lot better if they are full of confidence. If they appoint a manager who they don’t know or respect then it will not help their confidence much so improving play is the aim. However, if you can get a manager in who the players know or respect then you can immediately improve the team through raising confidence. It’s well known that Fergie used that to get more out of any player than any other manager could manage (for example, “you’ve seen my teams, you’ve seen the players I’ve had, you are up there with them now go out and show it”) hence why Fergie won the league that last time with a team who frankly would not have performed at that level in a million years. The same has happened at West Ham, Moyes like him or not he can go in and whisper in Aurnautovics ear “you Remind me of van persie, when I was at United he shone, you don’t have to worry about anything just go out there and have fun, show them how good you are” Doesn’t matter if it’s true or not, the fact is that Moyes has that credibility from working with good players. If a manager can go in and get a boost in confidence then the play suddenly improves and the players therefore buy-in to what he’s saying because the teams improving. to be honest I think stoke will be delighted its us on Saturday but we will see if we can respond. whatever happens it wont be easy that's for sure
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jan 16, 2018 20:15:22 GMT 1
Lössl Flo Zanka Schindler Kongolo Mooy Hogg Ince Pritchard VLP Mounié I’d go with this team - except I am baffled as to why you would start with Mounie over LD based on recent performances. Probably because we are working on supplying Mounié with chances
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Post by teddytheterrier on Jan 16, 2018 20:16:44 GMT 1
New manager syndrome. I'd imagine we'll get beat. Probably out play them for the majority of the game but fail to take our chances.
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Post by joeyjoneslocker on Jan 16, 2018 20:21:10 GMT 1
New manager syndrome. I'd imagine we'll get beat. Probably out play them for the majority of the game but fail to take our chances. That’s the spirit!
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jan 16, 2018 20:38:35 GMT 1
It’s a must not lose game !
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Jan 16, 2018 22:05:34 GMT 1
Michael Oliver in charge at Stoke. Could be seeking revenge for his cock-ups at Watford! Stoke to win then. So your reasoning after making perceived cock ups is to make more? To be fair that's exactly what he did at Vicarage Rd. Firstly the offside Kachunga opener, then immediately sending Deaney off which I'd be disappointed if one of ours had been sent off for a similar challenge (after not sending Deaney off in a previous game in which he got a retrospective ban) then he weakly caved to the Watford players/bench and crowd by making an abysmal decision give Hogg the worst second yellow of the season.
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Jan 16, 2018 22:33:47 GMT 1
The Watford result surprised me, hoping that we have a few more of those performances. This run in will definately be about those 6 pointers.
We would be glad of another 3 points now, but if we take it off a rival and also mean they have one less game to catch us excellent. I know 4 more wins and 2 draws seems to be the number that everyone is hoping for but if we get those wins against the right teams then I reckon we could do it with 3 wins and 2 draws.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jan 16, 2018 22:41:19 GMT 1
The Watford result surprised me, hoping that we have a few more of those performances. This run in will definately be about those 6 pointers. We would be glad of another 3 points now, but if we take it off a rival and also mean they have one less game to catch us excellent. I know 4 more wins and 2 draws seems to be the number that everyone is hoping for but if we get those wins against the right teams then I reckon we could do it with 3 wins and 2 draws. the performance from town certainly suprised watford, they were expecting to watch us toss around with it every time we got it, somewhere near our goalie.. it might have caught west ham out a bit had we replayed the first 30 minutes of the watford game.. still see the bemused look on the west ham players faces whilst we arsed about with it, still stuck on their faces at the end after the waltzed away with 4 away goals, they could not believe it.. I have no idea what tactics were were playing or trying and god love him neither did dave in the end..
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Post by Town Duppy on Jan 16, 2018 23:27:25 GMT 1
New manager syndrome. I'd imagine we'll get beat. Probably out play them for the majority of the game but fail to take our chances. Holy shit keep this man away from rope and stools!
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Post by rantinray on Jan 16, 2018 23:38:06 GMT 1
Don't really agree with the theory of must win games,however think we really need a point here. I think we need three points.
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Post by huddstownonly on Jan 17, 2018 14:26:28 GMT 1
Perhaps we should replay the Wembley penalty shoot out on the team bus to add a bit of belief that we can do it
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Post by hasta el pueblo on Jan 17, 2018 14:30:18 GMT 1
Perhaps we should replay the Wembley penalty shoot out on the team bus to add a bit of belief that we can do it I don't think Danny Williams would want to watch it again. ☺
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 14:42:31 GMT 1
Perhaps we should replay the Wembley penalty shoot out on the team bus to add a bit of belief that we can do it I don't think Danny Williams would want to watch it again. ☺ why? He scored didn't he?
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Post by aideybabes on Jan 17, 2018 16:12:07 GMT 1
It’s a must not lose game ! It's a must win game for me.
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Post by Town Duppy on Jan 17, 2018 16:14:16 GMT 1
It’s a must not lose game ! It's a must win game for me. I agree with both!
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Post by pttrmusdf on Jan 17, 2018 17:13:38 GMT 1
I don't think I've been on DATM since it used to host the old AWAG sub forum (this being an ancient Second Division rivals.net supporters site that started in 2001 but discontinued several years back)
From a Stoke perspective, the mood seems to have changed from anger at the Lambert appointment to a siege mentality with fans now firmly behind him. Paddy Power paying out on us to be relegated has played a part in that. If this squad has anything about them then all Lambert needs to do for motivation is pin that up on the dressing room wall
I've no idea what will happen on Saturday. After the last 18 months under Mark Hughes I just want to see a manager who can decide on a settled formation, put out an organised side and play his players in the right positions.
Hopefully we'll stay up and you will too (given Huddersfield is one of the few away days where I can actually get some decent beer!)
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Post by Dillinger on Jan 17, 2018 17:44:28 GMT 1
I don't think I've been on DATM since it used to host the old AWAG sub forum (this being an ancient Second Division rivals.net supporters site that started in 2001 but discontinued several years back) From a Stoke perspective, the mood seems to have changed from anger at the Lambert appointment to a siege mentality with fans now firmly behind him. Paddy Power paying out on us to be relegated has played a part in that. If this squad has anything about them then all Lambert needs to do for motivation is pin that up on the dressing room wall I've no idea what will happen on Saturday. After the last 18 months under Mark Hughes I just want to see a manager who can decide on a settled formation, put out an organised side and play his players in the right positions. Hopefully we'll stay up and you will too (given Huddersfield is one of the few away days where I can actually get some decent beer!) Can you recommend any decent pubs for away fans on Saturday? Ta
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jan 17, 2018 17:54:52 GMT 1
I’d go with this team - except I am baffled as to why you would start with Mounie over LD based on recent performances. Probably because we are working on supplying Mounié with chances That's a bit baffling. I'm not sure what drives his picking of Mounie or Depoitre. It's usually opposite to what I expect and I'm expecting Depoitre on Saturday!
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Post by goodshot (FGS) on Jan 17, 2018 17:56:02 GMT 1
It is what it is, staying up is in our own hands and I am sure DW has something up his sleeve (other than his arm) for the Stoke game. Hope it involves giving Stoke less room than West Ham!
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Post by jimmythebulldog on Jan 17, 2018 18:02:03 GMT 1
Just been listening to the 'Totally football show' podcast which is one of the better ones out there.
Their French expert said Kongolo was shipped out because he was too lightweight and couldn't cope with Ligue 1 - he then followed it up by saying 'so I've no idea how he'll cope in the Premiership'.
I dont know the guy and havent seen him play - but hopefully he shows strength cause he'll need it in this league.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 18:23:02 GMT 1
Just been listening to the 'Totally football show' podcast which is one of the better ones out there. Their French expert said Kongolo was shipped out because he was too lightweight and couldn't cope with Ligue 1 - he then followed it up by saying 'so I've no idea how he'll cope in the Premiership'. I dont know the guy and havent seen him play - but hopefully he shows strength cause he'll need it in this league. If he is less impressive in defence (or even attack) than malone has been to date it really will be a disappointment.
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Post by Made In Yorkshire on Jan 17, 2018 18:43:09 GMT 1
My armchair manager tactics for this would be to stop faffing around in front of our own goal. Lossl boots 90% of the goal kicks into the opposition half and the attacker (whoever that may be) will sooner or later get a run on goal. As Allardyce would say, it may not be pretty but if it gets goals then who gives a stuff.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Jan 17, 2018 18:51:50 GMT 1
Just been listening to the 'Totally football show' podcast which is one of the better ones out there. Their French expert said Kongolo was shipped out because he was too lightweight and couldn't cope with Ligue 1 - he then followed it up by saying 'so I've no idea how he'll cope in the Premiership'. I dont know the guy and havent seen him play - but hopefully he shows strength cause he'll need it in this league. The lad can't be any worse than Malone.
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Post by capitalterrier on Jan 17, 2018 18:57:43 GMT 1
Probably because we are working on supplying Mounié with chances That's a bit baffling. I'm not sure what drives his picking of Mounie or Depoitre. It's usually opposite to what I expect and I'm expecting Depoitre on Saturday! I expect Mounie. Think him and pritchard will link well
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Post by drewden on Jan 17, 2018 19:00:25 GMT 1
It’s a must not lose game ! It's a must win game for me. It's a they must lose game for me.
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Post by Is It Eidur Gudjohnsen on Jan 17, 2018 19:11:17 GMT 1
It's a must win game for me. It's a they must lose game for me. It's a game I want atleast 2 points from
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