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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2018 9:36:31 GMT 1
They should be a bigger club. Large city with only one professional club should be huge. I used to hate them. Now I just pity them. To be fair, Bradford isn’t really much larger populated than Kirklees, and their support will suffer due to large parts of it being more likely to naturally gravitate to supporting lLeeds or Burnley as “local” teams, whereas our border extents are mostly football free. Plus, whilst there are some nice areas, there are FAR more heavily populated deprived areas within the Bradford region than there are in Kirklees. Reckon their realistic support is similar to ours, 12k watching League 1 football, up to 15k in Championship, 20k+ in Premier League and sub 10k if sustained in League 2 for more than a season or two. Don’t mind admitting that I’d rather be watching Town play Bradford than Bournemouth or Watford if everything else was equal, and kind of wanted them to be promoted whilst we were in the Championship....they do however seem to be gradually sliding further away with uninspiring ownership that’s seemingly running things in terms of team budget in a similar way to what Ken Davy did, which is fine if you can’t afford to put investment in, it’s not my money and my debt to carry, but football needs periods of speculation and hope, really they should sell as quickly as possible because should they drop a level or end up being a lower mid table League 1 Team rather than the upper mid table one they’ve become, it suddenly becomes very difficult to keep interest up and even more difficult to make funds to progress if they want to be self sufficient rather than rely on owner investment). As I said, feel a bit sorry for them, I know quite a few very reasonable Bradford fans (including a couple who came very close to being joint owners) who have always been very positive in their appreciation of the rise of Huddersfield Town which may skew my perception. Why is Kirklees always brought up? Kirklees stretches as far as Leeds and Bradford. It always seems to be forgotten that prior to them doing cheap season tickets (since 2007) they were averaging 7-8k for 3 seasons in a row in league 1. At the same time Town were averaging between 11-13k. We were no better then than they are now. Apparently despite the cheap season tickets and free season tickets they had just 8000 there against Shrewsbury despite something like 19000 being reported.
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Post by space hardware on Apr 22, 2018 9:59:54 GMT 1
They're a historically small club who had a decent spell around the turn of the century which has skewed their own perception of where they should be.
They're not a sleeping giant. They're about where they should be in the League, maybe a little higher.
Their fans' cock measuring attitude towards attendances is laughable.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Apr 22, 2018 10:05:48 GMT 1
They're a historically small club who had a decent spell around the turn of the century which has skewed their own perception of where they should be. They're not a sleeping giant. They're about where they should be in the League, maybe a little higher. Their fans' cock measuring attitude towards attendances is laughable. It'll be fans from my generation that have this opinion, because they have had more success than us during this time until recently, where we are hopefully going back to the historic norm. As for Bradford v Kirkless....I'm from Birkenshaw that was in Kirkless with a Bradford telephone number and post code!!!
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Post by space hardware on Apr 22, 2018 10:12:27 GMT 1
They're a historically small club who had a decent spell around the turn of the century which has skewed their own perception of where they should be. They're not a sleeping giant. They're about where they should be in the League, maybe a little higher. Their fans' cock measuring attitude towards attendances is laughable. It'll be fans from my generation that have this opinion, because they have had more success than us during this time until recently, where we are hopefully going back to the historic norm. As for Bradford v Kirkless....I'm from Birkenshaw that was in Kirkless with a Bradford telephone number and post code!!! I was in a similar boat, living in Oakenshaw for a bit before my girlfriend sold her house there. Kirklees council but with a BD postcode and phone number as well. I can't remember too many Bradford fans there, there were tons of Man Utd followers though. And lots of Leeds fans.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Apr 22, 2018 10:19:49 GMT 1
It'll be fans from my generation that have this opinion, because they have had more success than us during this time until recently, where we are hopefully going back to the historic norm. As for Bradford v Kirkless....I'm from Birkenshaw that was in Kirkless with a Bradford telephone number and post code!!! I was in a similar boat, living in Oakenshaw for a bit before my girlfriend sold her house there. Kirklees council but with a BD postcode and phone number as well. I can't remember too many Bradford fans there, there were tons of Man Utd followers though. And lots of Leeds fans. There seemed a pretty equal mix between the local teams, rather than Man U, etc. I suspect that may have changed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2018 10:45:38 GMT 1
They should be a bigger club. Large city with only one professional club should be huge. I used to hate them. Now I just pity them. To be fair, Bradford isn’t really much larger populated than Kirklees, and their support will suffer due to large parts of it being more likely to naturally gravitate to supporting lLeeds or Burnley as “local” teams, whereas our border extents are mostly football free. Plus, whilst there are some nice areas, there are FAR more heavily populated deprived areas within the Bradford region than there are in Kirklees. Reckon their realistic support is similar to ours, 12k watching League 1 football, up to 15k in Championship, 20k+ in Premier League and sub 10k if sustained in League 2 for more than a season or two. Don’t mind admitting that I’d rather be watching Town play Bradford than Bournemouth or Watford if everything else was equal, and kind of wanted them to be promoted whilst we were in the Championship....they do however seem to be gradually sliding further away with uninspiring ownership that’s seemingly running things in terms of team budget in a similar way to what Ken Davy did, which is fine if you can’t afford to put investment in, it’s not my money and my debt to carry, but football needs periods of speculation and hope, really they should sell as quickly as possible because should they drop a level or end up being a lower mid table League 1 Team rather than the upper mid table one they’ve become, it suddenly becomes very difficult to keep interest up and even more difficult to make funds to progress if they want to be self sufficient rather than rely on owner investment). As I said, feel a bit sorry for them, I know quite a few very reasonable Bradford fans (including a couple who came very close to being joint owners) who have always been very positive in their appreciation of the rise of Huddersfield Town which may skew my perception. You are comparing a metropolitan district with a City. You should compare the Bradford MDC with Kirklees, which includes Batley and Dewsbury substantial towns with plenty of Leeds support and hardly areas of great prosperity. Its roughly 12 miles away centre to centre, and Kirklees also borders on Leeds as well as Sheffield, Manchester and Barnsley so I can't agree with you regerding competition. They used to average less than 3000 when I was growing up, were a perrenial 4th division outfit with the occasional visit to the third. Thats how I still see them. If anyone want a reminder of some of their fans attitude when things are going well just re-read some of these gems: downatthemac.proboards.com/user/2018/recent
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2018 10:58:38 GMT 1
To be fair, Bradford isn’t really much larger populated than Kirklees, and their support will suffer due to large parts of it being more likely to naturally gravitate to supporting lLeeds or Burnley as “local” teams, whereas our border extents are mostly football free. Plus, whilst there are some nice areas, there are FAR more heavily populated deprived areas within the Bradford region than there are in Kirklees. Reckon their realistic support is similar to ours, 12k watching League 1 football, up to 15k in Championship, 20k+ in Premier League and sub 10k if sustained in League 2 for more than a season or two. Don’t mind admitting that I’d rather be watching Town play Bradford than Bournemouth or Watford if everything else was equal, and kind of wanted them to be promoted whilst we were in the Championship....they do however seem to be gradually sliding further away with uninspiring ownership that’s seemingly running things in terms of team budget in a similar way to what Ken Davy did, which is fine if you can’t afford to put investment in, it’s not my money and my debt to carry, but football needs periods of speculation and hope, really they should sell as quickly as possible because should they drop a level or end up being a lower mid table League 1 Team rather than the upper mid table one they’ve become, it suddenly becomes very difficult to keep interest up and even more difficult to make funds to progress if they want to be self sufficient rather than rely on owner investment). As I said, feel a bit sorry for them, I know quite a few very reasonable Bradford fans (including a couple who came very close to being joint owners) who have always been very positive in their appreciation of the rise of Huddersfield Town which may skew my perception. Why is Kirklees always brought up? Kirklees stretches as far as Leeds and Bradford. It always seems to be forgotten that prior to them doing cheap season tickets (since 2007) they were averaging 7-8k for 3 seasons in a row in league 1. At the same time Town were averaging between 11-13k. We were no better then than they are now. Apparently despite the cheap season tickets and free season tickets they had just 8000 there against Shrewsbury despite something like 19000 being reported. Kirklees is brought up because the BOROUGH of Bradford has a population of about half a million compared to around 450k in borough of Kirklees, so when people are comparing population and potential support they are talking about Keighley and Bailden and Batley and Holmfirth, not just Bradford city and Huddersfield town central regions.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2018 11:00:18 GMT 1
To be fair, Bradford isn’t really much larger populated than Kirklees, and their support will suffer due to large parts of it being more likely to naturally gravitate to supporting lLeeds or Burnley as “local” teams, whereas our border extents are mostly football free. Plus, whilst there are some nice areas, there are FAR more heavily populated deprived areas within the Bradford region than there are in Kirklees. Reckon their realistic support is similar to ours, 12k watching League 1 football, up to 15k in Championship, 20k+ in Premier League and sub 10k if sustained in League 2 for more than a season or two. Don’t mind admitting that I’d rather be watching Town play Bradford than Bournemouth or Watford if everything else was equal, and kind of wanted them to be promoted whilst we were in the Championship....they do however seem to be gradually sliding further away with uninspiring ownership that’s seemingly running things in terms of team budget in a similar way to what Ken Davy did, which is fine if you can’t afford to put investment in, it’s not my money and my debt to carry, but football needs periods of speculation and hope, really they should sell as quickly as possible because should they drop a level or end up being a lower mid table League 1 Team rather than the upper mid table one they’ve become, it suddenly becomes very difficult to keep interest up and even more difficult to make funds to progress if they want to be self sufficient rather than rely on owner investment). As I said, feel a bit sorry for them, I know quite a few very reasonable Bradford fans (including a couple who came very close to being joint owners) who have always been very positive in their appreciation of the rise of Huddersfield Town which may skew my perception. You are comparing a metropolitan district with a City. You should compare the Bradford MDC with Kirklees, which includes Batley and Dewsbury substantial towns with plenty of Leeds support and hardly areas of great prosperity. Its roughly 12 miles away centre to centre, and Kirklees also borders on Leeds as well as Sheffield, Manchester and Barnsley so I can't agree with you regerding competition. They used to average less than 3000 when I was growing up, were a perrenial 4th division outfit with the occasional visit to the third. Thats how I still see them. If anyone want a reminder of some of their fans attitude when things are going well just re-read some of these gems: downatthemac.proboards.com/user/2018/recentNo, that's exactly what I am comparing already!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2018 11:19:53 GMT 1
Why is Kirklees always brought up? Kirklees stretches as far as Leeds and Bradford. It always seems to be forgotten that prior to them doing cheap season tickets (since 2007) they were averaging 7-8k for 3 seasons in a row in league 1. At the same time Town were averaging between 11-13k. We were no better then than they are now. Apparently despite the cheap season tickets and free season tickets they had just 8000 there against Shrewsbury despite something like 19000 being reported. Kirklees is brought up because the BOROUGH of Bradford has a population of about half a million compared to around 450k in borough of Kirklees, so when people are comparing population and potential support they are talking about Keighley and Bailden and Batley and Holmfirth, not just Bradford city and Huddersfield town central regions. So because Brighouse is in Calderdale everyone there should be supporting Halifax despite Brighouse being closer to Huddersfield for the majority of it. People dont support a club based on which council they are located in.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2018 11:21:06 GMT 1
You are comparing a metropolitan district with a City. You should compare the Bradford MDC with Kirklees, which includes Batley and Dewsbury substantial towns with plenty of Leeds support and hardly areas of great prosperity. Its roughly 12 miles away centre to centre, and Kirklees also borders on Leeds as well as Sheffield, Manchester and Barnsley so I can't agree with you regerding competition. They used to average less than 3000 when I was growing up, were a perrenial 4th division outfit with the occasional visit to the third. Thats how I still see them. If anyone want a reminder of some of their fans attitude when things are going well just re-read some of these gems: downatthemac.proboards.com/user/2018/recentNo, that's exactly what I am comparing already! Bradford MDC 530,000 Kirklees MDC 424,000 Hudds 160,000ish Bradford 250,000ish It is more comparable to Nottingham, Leicester, Derby and Wolverhampton.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2018 12:01:11 GMT 1
No, that's exactly what I am comparing already! Bradford MDC 530,000 Kirklees MDC 424,000 Hudds 160,000ish Bradford 250,000ish It is more comparable to Nottingham, Leicester, Derby and Wolverhampton. As I said, Bradford and Town have broadlyy similar population to call upon, especially when as pointed out you can add in the like of Brighouse etc which has always been more Town than Bradford or Halifax despite not included in the Kirklees figure.
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 22, 2018 12:02:48 GMT 1
Makes me chuckle the way chickens like to think theyre a bigger club than Town. Traditionally Town are a top 2 divisions club and City are a bottom 2 divisions club, and thats the way its been for the bulk of the 2 club's histories. And Town have had bigger support for 80% of that time too. I think of all the 'characters' that used to infect our board back when they had something to crow about and it gives me great pleasure to know how much our recent success combined with their perpetual failure will be hurting them.
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Post by ACW on Apr 22, 2018 12:06:39 GMT 1
I was talking to a Man U fan when we played them in the cup, he was from Halifax, he said he had a season tick at Bradford because it was so cheap and it gave him something to do when Man U didn’t play on Saturdays. I wonder how many do this ? A Man Utd fan from Halifax who has a season ticket at Bradford? How many types of wrong is that?
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Post by swollentoe on Apr 22, 2018 12:13:08 GMT 1
I know 😂
His mates are city fans so goes with them
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Post by ACW on Apr 22, 2018 12:19:18 GMT 1
They're a historically small club who had a decent spell around the turn of the century which has skewed their own perception of where they should be. They're not a sleeping giant. They're about where they should be in the League, maybe a little higher. Their fans' cock measuring attitude towards attendances is laughable. It'll be fans from my generation that have this opinion, because they have had more success than us during this time until recently, where we are hopefully going back to the historic norm. As for Bradford v Kirkless....I'm from Birkenshaw that was in Kirkless with a Bradford telephone number and post code!!! There are loads of anomalies like the one you describe about Birkenshaw. Birchencliffe is an obvious one - part of Huddersfield but has a Halifax telephone number. Rastrick and Brighouse are Huddersfield post codes and telephone numbers but are in Calderdale. Todmorden is in Calderdale, but has an Oldham post code and the locals speak with Lancashire accents. As for Town's catchment area - it extends beyond the boundaries of Kirklees. We get alot of support from the Calderdale and Wakefield areas. I know of at least two Town fans that come from Oldham (and were born there). Town's catchment area is like that of a city to be fair, although we do have plenty of competition within a 25-30 mile radius. That all said Town are still historically a bigger club than Bradford, even though the Bantams are from a much larger city. Just because a team is situated in a large city doesn't make them a big club. Infact there are bigger clubs that come from much smaller towns. Burnley springs to mind, although they too get fans from beyond the town itself.
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Apr 22, 2018 18:04:29 GMT 1
Season ticket sales down by a third to 12,000, and extending the offer... and their forum Claret & Banter is no more. Do you have a link to their new forum? It used to be quite funny sometimes to have a read on the old one.
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Post by malcolmbrown on Apr 22, 2018 19:09:29 GMT 1
Bradford MDC 530,000 Kirklees MDC 424,000 Hudds 160,000ish Bradford 250,000ish It is more comparable to Nottingham, Leicester, Derby and Wolverhampton. As I said, Bradford and Town have broadlyy similar population to call upon, especially when as pointed out you can add in the like of Brighouse etc which has always been more Town than Bradford or Halifax despite not included in the Kirklees figure. Have you ever been to Bradford? It's a fair bit bigger than Huddersfield. Also to say Kirklees is Huddersfield catchment area is just wrong. Most of North Kirklees (Dewsbury/Batley) is as near Leeds as Huddersfield. Huddersfield Town support is overwhelmingly from Huddersfield postcodes with some from the Heavy Woollen areas. I remember the season ticket sales analysis from a couple of years ago. If Bradford City ever get their shit together they'd fill their ground every week.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Apr 22, 2018 19:57:15 GMT 1
Season ticket sales down by a third to 12,000, and extending the offer... and their forum Claret & Banter is no more. Do you have a link to their new forum? It used to be quite funny sometimes to have a read on the old one. Looks to be The Cow's Arse. Honest! Edit: actually, it could just be an alternative one?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2018 20:47:11 GMT 1
Season ticket sales down by a third to 12,000, and extending the offer... and their forum Claret & Banter is no more. Do you have a link to their new forum? It used to be quite funny sometimes to have a read on the old one. Googe 'Bantam talk' you'll find it. Same posters as the old one and looks exactly the same.
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Post by Terrier Ramone on Apr 23, 2018 15:57:03 GMT 1
Cheers lotsanumbers
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Post by townfan on Apr 24, 2018 19:49:49 GMT 1
Season ticket sales down by a third to 12,000, and extending the offer... and their forum Claret & Banter is no more. I am told that the club is also having financial problems - which the drop in sales of season tickets isn't going to help
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Post by nshackle on Apr 25, 2018 7:51:42 GMT 1
It'll be fans from my generation that have this opinion, because they have had more success than us during this time until recently, where we are hopefully going back to the historic norm. As for Bradford v Kirkless....I'm from Birkenshaw that was in Kirkless with a Bradford telephone number and post code!!! There are loads of anomalies like the one you describe about Birkenshaw. Birchencliffe is an obvious one - part of Huddersfield but has a Halifax telephone number. Rastrick and Brighouse are Huddersfield post codes and telephone numbers but are in Calderdale. Todmorden is in Calderdale, but has an Oldham post code and the locals speak with Lancashire accents. As for Town's catchment area - it extends beyond the boundaries of Kirklees. We get alot of support from the Calderdale and Wakefield areas. I know of at least two Town fans that come from Oldham (and were born there). Town's catchment area is like that of a city to be fair, although we do have plenty of competition within a 25-30 mile radius. That all said Town are still historically a bigger club than Bradford, even though the Bantams are from a much larger city. Just because a team is situated in a large city doesn't make them a big club. Infact there are bigger clubs that come from much smaller towns. Burnley springs to mind, although they too get fans from beyond the town itself. Very true, not a city but Northampton for example has a population of around 220,000 but the football club has never sustained big gates and but for a small hardcore the locals are generally apathetic towards the club. It was the same situation with Reading for a very long time, and even though they now pull in much better crowds than their Elm Park days, I still would never think of them as a 'big club'. I think Lens in France has a population of only 40,000 but the football club has in the past pulled in crowds larger than it's own population !
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Post by iangreaves on Apr 25, 2018 8:36:05 GMT 1
I don't get the Kirklees thing at all. Bradford is a city; Kirklees is not even a place (apart from the priory). Kirklees is an artificial administrative construct that has never been particularly popular. There is certainty no identity with it nor loyalty to it.
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Post by rocketfoz1980 on Apr 25, 2018 8:44:04 GMT 1
Don't forget to factor in places like Northampton are traditionally more rugby towns than football. Bradford Northern/Bulls were always one of the better supported teams in Rugby League, though I'm not sure if that's carried on since they went down and nearly bust!
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Post by terrier70 on Apr 25, 2018 8:49:46 GMT 1
It'll be fans from my generation that have this opinion, because they have had more success than us during this time until recently, where we are hopefully going back to the historic norm. As for Bradford v Kirkless....I'm from Birkenshaw that was in Kirkless with a Bradford telephone number and post code!!! There are loads of anomalies like the one you describe about Birkenshaw. Birchencliffe is an obvious one - part of Huddersfield but has a Halifax telephone number. Rastrick and Brighouse are Huddersfield post codes and telephone numbers but are in Calderdale. Todmorden is in Calderdale, but has an Oldham post code and the locals speak with Lancashire accents. As for Town's catchment area - it extends beyond the boundaries of Kirklees. We get alot of support from the Calderdale and Wakefield areas. I know of at least two Town fans that come from Oldham (and were born there). Town's catchment area is like that of a city to be fair, although we do have plenty of competition within a 25-30 mile radius. That all said Town are still historically a bigger club than Bradford, even though the Bantams are from a much larger city. Just because a team is situated in a large city doesn't make them a big club. Infact there are bigger clubs that come from much smaller towns. Burnley springs to mind, although they too get fans from beyond the town itself. Settle is another example, it is in North Yorkshire yet has a Bradford postcode! Burnley a good example, they have a very loyal local fan base and are a bigger club than Bradford in my opinion yet are from a much smaller area
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Post by terriers321 on Apr 25, 2018 9:07:54 GMT 1
There’s a hell of a lot of Leeds fans in Bradford to.
One bonus is that Leeds have been a joke for a good while. In years gone by they’ve attracted drifters because they were the best club in the area. If they could stay out the Prem for a few years longer they’ve literally lost a couple of generations of support that they would usually attract from nearby towns with clubs like Bradford, Us, Barnsley, Hull, Sheffield, Donny etc and all the little towns in between where support is split
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Post by space hardware on Apr 25, 2018 9:12:38 GMT 1
Apparently there were over 19,000 there last night
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Post by galpharm2400 on Apr 25, 2018 9:18:26 GMT 1
There’s a hell of a lot of Leeds fans in Bradford to. One bonus is that Leeds have been a joke for a good while. In years gone by they’ve attracted drifters because they were the best club in the area. If they could stay out the Prem for a few years longer they’ve literally lost a couple of generations of support that they would usually attract from nearby towns with clubs like Bradford, Us, Barnsley, Hull, Sheffield, Donny etc and all the little towns in between where support is split as the top team in yorkshire does that mean we are attracting the 'glory hunters' from leeds/bradford etc?? If we can keep em long enough we can then go on to hark on in later years about the 'great days' and the full stadiums etc etc etc?? lets hope not.. bad enough one set of jokers living in the past...... clearly if it had not been for 'bent refs' and our bribes not being 'big enough' we would be champions this year...thats the 'memory' I'm taking forward anyway and will continue to spout until I get locked away for my own safety..
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Post by terriers321 on Apr 25, 2018 9:23:18 GMT 1
There’s a hell of a lot of Leeds fans in Bradford to. One bonus is that Leeds have been a joke for a good while. In years gone by they’ve attracted drifters because they were the best club in the area. If they could stay out the Prem for a few years longer they’ve literally lost a couple of generations of support that they would usually attract from nearby towns with clubs like Bradford, Us, Barnsley, Hull, Sheffield, Donny etc and all the little towns in between where support is split as the top team in yorkshire does that mean we are attracting the 'glory hunters' from leeds/bradford etc?? If we can keep em long enough we can then go on to hark on in later years about the 'great days' and the full stadiums etc etc etc?? lets hope not.. bad enough one set of jokers living in the past...... clearly if it had not been for 'bent refs' and our bribes not being 'big enough' we would be champions this year...thats the 'memory' I'm taking forward anyway and will continue to spout until I get locked away for my own safety.. Nah I think it’s safe to say we arnt going to win the premiership or get to the champions league semi final anytime soon. But in places like Dewsbury, Batley. Wakes etc where support is split or favours them we are definitely going to be pulling more in.
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Post by rubicon on Apr 25, 2018 9:39:16 GMT 1
I will never ever understand peoples fascination with believing that their post code is some indicator of where they live. It isn't, it is quite simply a construct that tells the Post Office which sorting office to send the mail to. Grange Moor has a Wakefield Post Code, it's still in Kirklees, or as far as I'm concerned Huddersfield not Wakefield. Nor are administrative authorities any indicator. They too HAVE to be portrayed on Ordnance Survey Maps. They are not real Counties in the sense of where anybody actually lives. The Yorkshire Ridings still exist, as they did in the old fashioned maps from the 1600s, way before they ever became administrative authorities in the late Victorian era. This isn't my opinion, it's fact as spouted by our MPs. Many youngsters of course will actually believe they live in, Greater Manchester, some even in Kirklees, just as some folk live on Teesside, but they're still either in Yorkshire, Lancashire, or Durham/Yorkshire up on Teesside, which now doesn't even exist as an administrative authority. They are all artificial constructs, won't be around for ever, another re-organisation will be along soon, but the actual Counties will still be there in the background. Many things conspire against this understanding, the bits of Yorkshire in other administrative areas, get their tourism funding from those areas, therefore places like Sedbergh and Dent whilst still in Yorkshire, will be part of Cumbria tourism advertising. It's a mess and will only get worse as time goes by.
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