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Post by rubicon on Apr 27, 2018 8:36:58 GMT 1
Sorry Tinpot, to believe that a postcode states where you live borders on idiocy. Initially one of the ideas was to use the American system of just 6 numbers, and only an anal trainspotter would be able to tell where you lived from that, unless you just want to be a "number" You're telling me that places like Sedgefield in Durham and Stokesley in N.Yorks with TS postcodes were actually in Cleveland when it existed, not that their mail went through Stockton and Middlesbrough sorting offices! Complete and utter nonsense. Every regional postmaster did just what they wanted to. Both Northallerton and Richmond, the North Yorks County Town and a tourist hotspot have DL, as in Darlington postcodes. They are not in Darlington obviously, nor are they in Durham. It is purely a system for sorting where your mail goes to, to be delivered to yourself and just uses the original sorting offices. When I lived in Grange Moor, before postcodes existed, our address was Grange Moor, Near Wakefield, which served exactly the same purpose. It told somebody in a London sorting Office which major Town to send it to as they wouldn't have a clue where Grange Moor was, and it's actually nearer to Huddersfield.
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Post by dewsburyborn on Apr 27, 2018 8:43:55 GMT 1
Have to agree. Grew up on Bennett Lane Dewsbury. Catching the bus on a Saturday from out side the old Whistler Pub there would be one or two lads already on the bus from Shaw cross then me and my mate. A couple more would get on at the bus station. But most of the lads would get on passing through Ravensthorpe. Have to agree that most people I knew back then supported Leeds. Bloody hell I might have been on the same bus, I was down Bywell Road for donkey's years. We really must meet up for a pint and some Town banter Lossie! I lived in Shaw Cross towards Hanging Heaton until 1973. Was I on your bus ? tho' memory seems to say I used to walk down town and catch the 'special' from outside the bus station near the baths
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Post by htfc1908 on Apr 27, 2018 9:16:19 GMT 1
Most people understandably start supporting a team during good times, our problem is we can't fit anymore in limiting how many extra fans we can pick up. nah, ground capacity doesnβt matter, most people follow from afar (tv, internet etc..) these days anyway 22,000 and a season card waiting list beg to differ.
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Post by bomber28 on Apr 27, 2018 10:12:18 GMT 1
They were always shite, the Premier League and Championship seasons they had recently are massive outliers.
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Post by bomber28 on Apr 27, 2018 10:13:21 GMT 1
They were always shite, the Premier League and Championship seasons they had recently are massive outliers. They have never graced the Championship.
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Post by richhtfc on Apr 27, 2018 10:55:42 GMT 1
nah, ground capacity doesnβt matter, most people follow from afar (tv, internet etc..) these days anyway 22,000 and a season card waiting list beg to differ. I don't follow, you're suggesting that its a shame we don't have more capacity at a time when we're gaining fans. I'm saying it doesn't matter that we don't have extra capacity as people will support from afar now they can watch us on TV. A full house and a waiting list proves my point that attendance is not a deciding factor in getting extra support. How many of Man Utd or Liverpools fans have ever actually attended a game?
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Post by htfc1908 on Apr 27, 2018 11:23:08 GMT 1
22,000 and a season card waiting list beg to differ. I don't follow, you're suggesting that its a shame we don't have more capacity at a time when we're gaining fans. I'm saying it doesn't matter that we don't have extra capacity as people will support from afar now they can watch us on TV. A full house and a waiting list proves my point that attendance is not a deciding factor in getting extra support. How many of Man Utd or Liverpools fans have ever actually attended a game? I'm talking about fans that are going to be beneficial to the club long term I couldn't give a shiny one as to any plastics we pick up!
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 27, 2018 11:45:21 GMT 1
I don't follow, you're suggesting that its a shame we don't have more capacity at a time when we're gaining fans. I'm saying it doesn't matter that we don't have extra capacity as people will support from afar now they can watch us on TV. A full house and a waiting list proves my point that attendance is not a deciding factor in getting extra support. How many of Man Utd or Liverpools fans have ever actually attended a game? I'm talking about fans that are going to be beneficial to the club long term I couldn't give a shiny one as to any plastics we pick up! You might not but the club will. Most Man utd / Liverpool fans live in the far east. Thats where the bulk of their 'support' is and whilst they don't turn up at OT or Anfield, they do buy all the shirts, merchandising and subscriptions. You can't say that support isn;t beneficial to the club long term when it earns them tens of millions.
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Post by htfc1908 on Apr 27, 2018 12:03:36 GMT 1
I'm talking about fans that are going to be beneficial to the club long term I couldn't give a shiny one as to any plastics we pick up! You might not but the club will. Most Man utd / Liverpool fans live in the far east. Thats where the bulk of their 'support' is and whilst they don't turn up at OT or Anfield, they do buy all the shirts, merchandising and subscriptions. You can't say that support isn;t beneficial to the club long term when it earns them tens of millions. Getting more locals on board will always be more beneficial than selling a few shirts in China, a new local may start a lifelong love affair with the club spanning many generations, a guy buying a Town shirt in China because we're currently on the telly isn't.
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Post by richhtfc on Apr 27, 2018 12:17:02 GMT 1
I don't follow, you're suggesting that its a shame we don't have more capacity at a time when we're gaining fans. I'm saying it doesn't matter that we don't have extra capacity as people will support from afar now they can watch us on TV. A full house and a waiting list proves my point that attendance is not a deciding factor in getting extra support. How many of Man Utd or Liverpools fans have ever actually attended a game? I'm talking about fans that are going to be beneficial to the club long term I couldn't give a shiny one as to any plastics we pick up! So only fans we can actually fit in the ground are worth us having? strange way of looking at it, we'll have to disagree on this one I think.
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Post by htfc1908 on Apr 27, 2018 12:20:26 GMT 1
I'm talking about fans that are going to be beneficial to the club long term I couldn't give a shiny one as to any plastics we pick up! So only fans we can actually fit in the ground are worth us having? strange way of looking at it, we'll have to disagree on this one I think. How many shirts will we sell to china if we end up back in league one? Much more chance of getting people 'hooked' by actually attending matches.
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Post by richhtfc on Apr 27, 2018 12:26:35 GMT 1
So only fans we can actually fit in the ground are worth us having? strange way of looking at it, we'll have to disagree on this one I think. How many shirts will we sell to china if we end up back in league one? Much more chance of getting people 'hooked' by actually attending matches. I think the recent success we've had should bump the attendance up for a few years now, I don't think there's a massive need for more capacity. Most long term fans round here are pretty fickle in their support/attendance. I think the ground is perfectly sized for us, not sure we'd be filling it if there were another 10,000 seats.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Apr 27, 2018 12:32:09 GMT 1
What league are the tinpots in these days?
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Post by htfc1908 on Apr 27, 2018 12:51:16 GMT 1
How many shirts will we sell to china if we end up back in league one? Much more chance of getting people 'hooked' by actually attending matches. I think the recent success we've had should bump the attendance up for a few years now, I don't think there's a massive need for more capacity. Most long term fans round here are pretty fickle in their support/attendance. I think the ground is perfectly sized for us, not sure we'd be filling it if there were another 10,000 seats. That's exactly the point I'm making! long term more important than a few shirt sales in far off lands
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Post by terriersyndrome on Apr 27, 2018 13:03:22 GMT 1
Over 11 years ago since we last played them in the league.. The forgotten WY derby.
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 27, 2018 13:51:29 GMT 1
I think the recent success we've had should bump the attendance up for a few years now, I don't think there's a massive need for more capacity. Most long term fans round here are pretty fickle in their support/attendance. I think the ground is perfectly sized for us, not sure we'd be filling it if there were another 10,000 seats. That's exactly the point I'm making! long term more important than a few shirt sales in far off lands Think both are important. A hundred thousand 'fans' in the far east would generate a lot more money than a couple of thousand new local fans. And truth is, if we sink back into L1, theyd all probably lose interest pretty quickly. But no doubt, we'd hope that a season or two in the prem will have snagged a lot of youngsters to chose Town as their club, rather than City or united Think for 2/3s of the games our ground is about the right size, but no doubt for the 1/3 against the bigger clubs then we could be getting 30,000 if we had the seats. If we ever establish ourselves then maybe another tier on the kilner, built into the hillside could be an option? But with so much TV money sloshing around, the club would probably think the advantage of an extra 4000 seats ( less than Β£1 million a season but allowing new fans to attend ) isn;t worth the disruption or expense.
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Post by terrierneil on Apr 27, 2018 14:45:28 GMT 1
That's exactly the point I'm making! long term more important than a few shirt sales in far off lands Think both are important. A hundred thousand 'fans' in the far east would generate a lot more money than a couple of thousand new local fans. And truth is, if we sink back into L1, theyd all probably lose interest pretty quickly. But no doubt, we'd hope that a season or two in the prem will have snagged a lot of youngsters to chose Town as their club, rather than City or united Think for 2/3s of the games our ground is about the right size, but no doubt for the 1/3 against the bigger clubs then we could be getting 30,000 if we had the seats.
If we ever establish ourselves then maybe another tier on the kilner, built into the hillside could be an option? But with so much TV money sloshing around, the club would probably think the advantage of an extra 4000 seats ( less than Β£1 million a season but allowing new fans to attend ) isn;t worth the disruption or expense. Had a row to myself the last time we played Man Utd.
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Post by terrierneil on Apr 27, 2018 14:53:16 GMT 1
Think the last two seasons are blurring everyone's memories. Our support, in terms of numbers, is crap imo. We only have good crowds now because of the cheap tickets. Some people have even complained about next season's prices! Look at the cup game against Man Utd. Woeful crowd. Man City away next week, I was able to buy tickets for every man and his dog. Boxing Day there were hundreds of empty seats. If we got relegated and had season tickets go back up to Β£300+, we would not sell 10,000, fact.
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Post by Porrohman on Apr 27, 2018 14:59:08 GMT 1
I will never ever understand peoples fascination with believing that their post code is some indicator of where they live. It isn't, it is quite simply a construct that tells the Post Office which sorting office to send the mail to. Grange Moor has a Wakefield Post Code, it's still in Kirklees, or as far as I'm concerned Huddersfield not Wakefield. Nor are administrative authorities any indicator. They too HAVE to be portrayed on Ordnance Survey Maps. They are not real Counties in the sense of where anybody actually lives. The Yorkshire Ridings still exist, as they did in the old fashioned maps from the 1600s, way before they ever became administrative authorities in the late Victorian era. This isn't my opinion, it's fact as spouted by our MPs. Many youngsters of course will actually believe they live in, Greater Manchester, some even in Kirklees, just as some folk live on Teesside, but they're still either in Yorkshire, Lancashire, or Durham/Yorkshire up on Teesside, which now doesn't even exist as an administrative authority. They are all artificial constructs, won't be around for ever, another re-organisation will be along soon, but the actual Counties will still be there in the background. Many things conspire against this understanding, the bits of Yorkshire in other administrative areas, get their tourism funding from those areas, therefore places like Sedbergh and Dent whilst still in Yorkshire, will be part of Cumbria tourism advertising. It's a mess and will only get worse as time goes by. Ask anyone from Birkenshaw which town/city they are from and they will say Bradford. Yep, I have just said it on a Town forum, I am from Bradford π Boo ! ππ
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Post by Porrohman on Apr 27, 2018 15:01:04 GMT 1
Dewsbury is nearer to Leeds than Huddersfield. Maybe Ravensthorpe is in the middle, but Dewsbury itself is closer to Leeds. I'd expect plenty of Leeds fans there. According to some Heavy Woollen fans all Town fans live out that way whilst no one in Huddersfield supports Town at all!! It just seems that way cos they clap louder due to having 6 fingers on each hand π±ππ
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Post by AndySk on Apr 27, 2018 15:10:21 GMT 1
I'd say I hope they go bust but I don't think it'd make too much of a difference
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 27, 2018 15:18:29 GMT 1
Think the last two seasons are blurring everyone's memories. Our support, in terms of numbers, is crap imo. We only have good crowds now because of the cheap tickets. Some people have even complained about next season's prices! Look at the cup game against Man Utd. Woeful crowd. Man City away next week, I was able to buy tickets for every man and his dog. Boxing Day there were hundreds of empty seats. If we got relegated and had season tickets go back up to Β£300+, we would not sell 10,000, fact. We used to have threads predicting the crowds we'd get if we ever got in the prem. Some people insisting we'd be averaging 16 or 17000 . We're you one of them? We're averaging 24,030 this season ( which will go up a little as the last 2 are sold out ) 16th biggest in the prem. Think thats the most since the early 1950s when we finished 3rd. We sell out most away games and if not, are close to it. Not sure how that is 'crap' for a place the size of huddersfield and a club whove done so little for so long.
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Post by terrierneil on Apr 27, 2018 15:21:27 GMT 1
Think the last two seasons are blurring everyone's memories. Our support, in terms of numbers, is crap imo. We only have good crowds now because of the cheap tickets. Some people have even complained about next season's prices! Look at the cup game against Man Utd. Woeful crowd. Man City away next week, I was able to buy tickets for every man and his dog. Boxing Day there were hundreds of empty seats. If we got relegated and had season tickets go back up to Β£300+, we would not sell 10,000, fact. We used to have threads predicting the crowds we'd get if we ever got in the prem. Some people insisting we'd be averaging 16 or 17000 . We're you one of them? We're averaging 24,030 this season ( which will go up a little as the last 2 are sold out ) 16th biggest in the prem. Think thats the most since the early 1950s when we finished 3rd. We sell out most away games and if not, are close to it. Not sure how that is 'crap' for a place the size of huddersfield and a club whove done so little for so long. Ok, when put like that it's not crap. Increasing the capacity of the ground though, would be completely unnecessary imo.
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 27, 2018 15:23:17 GMT 1
Think thered be demand for the extra seats in the bigger games but the costs involved compared to the gains probably make it a total non starter.
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Post by shawsie on Apr 27, 2018 16:48:11 GMT 1
We used to have threads predicting the crowds we'd get if we ever got in the prem. Some people insisting we'd be averaging 16 or 17000 . We're you one of them? We're averaging 24,030 this season ( which will go up a little as the last 2 are sold out ) 16th biggest in the prem. Think thats the most since the early 1950s when we finished 3rd. We sell out most away games and if not, are close to it. Not sure how that is 'crap' for a place the size of huddersfield and a club whove done so little for so long. Ok, when put like that it's not crap. Increasing the capacity of the ground though, would be completely unnecessary imo. It's up to us to build on what we have - 2 / 3 yrs of staying up and we will build a new fan base. Sadford did it with cheap tickets a promotion a cup final and they still get good crowds - ok they are dropping off now a bit but they got the whole area interested. We have done the same and maybe the newbies won't have the loyalty of us old uns.....but we will start to eke into other clubs support if we continue to outperform on the pitch and keep tickets sensibly priced. These are super days to be a town fan - let's just keep the ride rolling on.
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