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Post by ram on Apr 25, 2018 10:00:23 GMT 1
I live in,t West Riding Of Yorkshire,allus have done,allus will do.I was born In Huddrsfield and support Huddersfield Town,allus have done,allus will do.
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Post by Gold Coast Terrier on Apr 25, 2018 11:55:07 GMT 1
There’s obviously a lot of hatred between town fans for Leeds but being a kid through the years of Gordon Watson suing us and Kamara as the panto villain (now more likely to be the panto horse), I hate Bradford so much more!
I hated those years of them being in the Premier League, hated the pissed up celebrations and hated Wetherall keeping them up on the last day especially as he was about to sign for us instead.
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Post by malcolmbrown on Apr 25, 2018 12:18:53 GMT 1
There’s obviously a lot of hatred between town fans for Leeds but being a kid through the years of Gordon Watson suing us and Kamara as the panto villain (now more likely to be the panto horse), I hate Bradford so much more! I hated those years of them being in the Premier League, hated the pissed up celebrations and hated Wetherall keeping them up on the last day especially as he was about to sign for us instead. Wow the word hate seems rather strong and disproportionate.
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Post by huddshroom on Apr 25, 2018 12:45:48 GMT 1
There’s obviously a lot of hatred between town fans for Leeds but being a kid through the years of Gordon Watson suing us and Kamara as the panto villain (now more likely to be the panto horse), I hate Bradford so much more! I hated those years of them being in the Premier League, hated the pissed up celebrations and hated Wetherall keeping them up on the last day especially as he was about to sign for us instead. Wow the word hate seems rather strong and disproportionate. If you all hate Bradford clap your hands
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Post by Gold Coast Terrier on Apr 25, 2018 12:55:03 GMT 1
There’s obviously a lot of hatred between town fans for Leeds but being a kid through the years of Gordon Watson suing us and Kamara as the panto villain (now more likely to be the panto horse), I hate Bradford so much more! I hated those years of them being in the Premier League, hated the pissed up celebrations and hated Wetherall keeping them up on the last day especially as he was about to sign for us instead. Wow the word hate seems rather strong and disproportionate. You’re pulling me up for using the word ‘hate’? Are you bored?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2018 13:08:55 GMT 1
^theyre artificial constructs, but if we're going to belittle Bradfords support 'cause it's a large city then you have to set the rough boundary somewhat comparable.
City / Town centre is NOT a reasonable comparison....think about the massive penetration of inner city flats (apartments? Not quite sure of the difference!?) in Leeds for example, compared to themuch much lower number of people living directly in what would be considered "Huddersfield" or "Bradford".
The made up boroughs seem to generally ensnare an area with only one major football team contained, and whilst the actual natural draw of which team a local would most likely gravitate towards is the never ending conundrum that thankfully saw Dean Hoyle walk up the hill to support Town....so seem the "fairest" comparison of potential local support...it's fair that when considering Towns local support we include Holmfirth and Denby Dale (another of those blurred areas, bet a few folk from down there support Barnsley), and Outlane in the catchment, and similarly Bradford would call upon Keighley etc.
It's not an exact science obviously, but surely "the population of Kirklees" is a much more accurate estimate of potential local support for Town than the population of the HD1 postcode??
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Post by midge on Apr 25, 2018 14:22:37 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2018 14:29:53 GMT 1
"Michael Collins, defending...." Fake news, since when did Michael Collins ever go back beyond the halfway line?
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Post by Porrohman on Apr 25, 2018 14:50:42 GMT 1
Wow the word hate seems rather strong and disproportionate. If you all hate Bradford clap your hands 👏👏👏👏 but not as much as Leeds (or the bin dippers, obviously 😉)
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Post by sabailand on Apr 25, 2018 15:23:00 GMT 1
Wow, just over 19,000 at Bradford last night.
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Post by artysid on Apr 25, 2018 15:25:02 GMT 1
Apparently there were over 19,000 there last night Don't tell sabailand
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Post by sabailand on Apr 25, 2018 15:30:52 GMT 1
Oops didnt see that post.
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Post by space hardware on Apr 25, 2018 16:14:00 GMT 1
Wow, just over 19,000 at Bradford last night. I think they were actually quoting the number of empty seats in that crappy prefab stadium of theirs.
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Post by malcolmbrown on Apr 25, 2018 16:18:47 GMT 1
^theyre artificial constructs, but if we're going to belittle Bradfords support 'cause it's a large city then you have to set the rough boundary somewhat comparable. City / Town centre is NOT a reasonable comparison....think about the massive penetration of inner city flats (apartments? Not quite sure of the difference!?) in Leeds for example, compared to themuch much lower number of people living directly in what would be considered "Huddersfield" or "Bradford". The made up boroughs seem to generally ensnare an area with only one major football team contained, and whilst the actual natural draw of which team a local would most likely gravitate towards is the never ending conundrum that thankfully saw Dean Hoyle walk up the hill to support Town....so seem the "fairest" comparison of potential local support...it's fair that when considering Towns local support we include Holmfirth and Denby Dale (another of those blurred areas, bet a few folk from down there support Barnsley), and Outlane in the catchment, and similarly Bradford would call upon Keighley etc. It's not an exact science obviously, but surely "the population of Kirklees" is a much more accurate estimate of potential local support for Town than the population of the HD1 postcode?? People who live in Dewsbury/Batley do not see HTFC as their local team. We might have a few supporters there but not many. Dewsbury/Batley make up half the population of Kirklees. The fact is our core support is south Kirklees (ie Huddersfield). This might change if we enjoy continued success. I can only assume you haven't spent any time in Dewsbury. I worked there for years and you're more likely to bump in to Leeds fans because Leeds is just as near as Huddersfield and has had more recent success.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2018 16:39:34 GMT 1
^theyre artificial constructs, but if we're going to belittle Bradfords support 'cause it's a large city then you have to set the rough boundary somewhat comparable. City / Town centre is NOT a reasonable comparison....think about the massive penetration of inner city flats (apartments? Not quite sure of the difference!?) in Leeds for example, compared to themuch much lower number of people living directly in what would be considered "Huddersfield" or "Bradford". The made up boroughs seem to generally ensnare an area with only one major football team contained, and whilst the actual natural draw of which team a local would most likely gravitate towards is the never ending conundrum that thankfully saw Dean Hoyle walk up the hill to support Town....so seem the "fairest" comparison of potential local support...it's fair that when considering Towns local support we include Holmfirth and Denby Dale (another of those blurred areas, bet a few folk from down there support Barnsley), and Outlane in the catchment, and similarly Bradford would call upon Keighley etc. It's not an exact science obviously, but surely "the population of Kirklees" is a much more accurate estimate of potential local support for Town than the population of the HD1 postcode?? People who live in Dewsbury/Batley do not see HTFC as their local team. We might have a few supporters there but not many. Dewsbury/Batley make up half the population of Kirklees. The fact is our core support is south Kirklees (ie Huddersfield). This might change if we enjoy continued success. I can only assume you haven't spent any time in Dewsbury. I worked there for years and you're more likely to bump in to Leeds fans because Leeds is just as near as Huddersfield and has had more recent success. And? It's not a Trumpian impassable wall round the boroughs that we're discussing, just a general guided observation about the likely local influence. (When I worked in Batley for a few years it seemed to be mostly Liverpool)
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Post by malcolmbrown on Apr 25, 2018 16:51:33 GMT 1
And? It's not a Trumpian impassable wall round the boroughs that we're discussing, just a general guided observation about the likely local influence. (When I worked in Batley for a few years it seemed to be mostly Liverpool) What I'm saying is the same as a previous poster. Kirklees is not a natural entity. Bradford MBC, Leeds MBC, Wakefield MBC have a dominant central settlement whereas Kirklees does not. Believe me I'd love HTFC to include the whole of Kirklees as its natural catchment area but it simply doesn't. It does suggest that the people of Huddersfield do get behind their team pretty well give a take the usual saddo's who support the Man Us and Liverpool's.
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Post by morleyterrier on Apr 25, 2018 18:08:49 GMT 1
Can't see Grayson stopping as I think he was only on a 6 month deal.
He can get a gig elsewhere that gives him a better chance of success.
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Post by Heckyblue on Apr 25, 2018 18:47:09 GMT 1
Wow, just over 19,000 at Bradford last night. I think they were actually quoting the number of empty seats in that crappy prefab stadium of theirs. Having seen the highlights on TV, I think they were lucky if half the 'attendance' were there.
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Post by Headless Chicken on Apr 25, 2018 20:14:47 GMT 1
I will never ever understand peoples fascination with believing that their post code is some indicator of where they live. It isn't, it is quite simply a construct that tells the Post Office which sorting office to send the mail to. Grange Moor has a Wakefield Post Code, it's still in Kirklees, or as far as I'm concerned Huddersfield not Wakefield. Nor are administrative authorities any indicator. They too HAVE to be portrayed on Ordnance Survey Maps. They are not real Counties in the sense of where anybody actually lives. The Yorkshire Ridings still exist, as they did in the old fashioned maps from the 1600s, way before they ever became administrative authorities in the late Victorian era. This isn't my opinion, it's fact as spouted by our MPs. Many youngsters of course will actually believe they live in, Greater Manchester, some even in Kirklees, just as some folk live on Teesside, but they're still either in Yorkshire, Lancashire, or Durham/Yorkshire up on Teesside, which now doesn't even exist as an administrative authority. They are all artificial constructs, won't be around for ever, another re-organisation will be along soon, but the actual Counties will still be there in the background. Many things conspire against this understanding, the bits of Yorkshire in other administrative areas, get their tourism funding from those areas, therefore places like Sedbergh and Dent whilst still in Yorkshire, will be part of Cumbria tourism advertising. It's a mess and will only get worse as time goes by. Ask anyone from Birkenshaw which town/city they are from and they will say Bradford. Yep, I have just said it on a Town forum, I am from Bradford 🙈
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Post by ACW on Apr 25, 2018 22:39:52 GMT 1
^theyre artificial constructs, but if we're going to belittle Bradfords support 'cause it's a large city then you have to set the rough boundary somewhat comparable. City / Town centre is NOT a reasonable comparison....think about the massive penetration of inner city flats (apartments? Not quite sure of the difference!?) in Leeds for example, compared to themuch much lower number of people living directly in what would be considered "Huddersfield" or "Bradford". The made up boroughs seem to generally ensnare an area with only one major football team contained, and whilst the actual natural draw of which team a local would most likely gravitate towards is the never ending conundrum that thankfully saw Dean Hoyle walk up the hill to support Town....so seem the "fairest" comparison of potential local support...it's fair that when considering Towns local support we include Holmfirth and Denby Dale (another of those blurred areas, bet a few folk from down there support Barnsley), and Outlane in the catchment, and similarly Bradford would call upon Keighley etc. It's not an exact science obviously, but surely "the population of Kirklees" is a much more accurate estimate of potential local support for Town than the population of the HD1 postcode?? People who live in Dewsbury/Batley do not see HTFC as their local team. We might have a few supporters there but not many. Dewsbury/Batley make up half the population of Kirklees. The fact is our core support is south Kirklees (ie Huddersfield). This might change if we enjoy continued success. I can only assume you haven't spent any time in Dewsbury. I worked there for years and you're more likely to bump in to Leeds fans because Leeds is just as near as Huddersfield and has had more recent success. Dewsbury is nearer to Leeds than Huddersfield. Maybe Ravensthorpe is in the middle, but Dewsbury itself is closer to Leeds. I'd expect plenty of Leeds fans there.
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Post by ACW on Apr 25, 2018 22:45:15 GMT 1
I will never ever understand peoples fascination with believing that their post code is some indicator of where they live. It isn't, it is quite simply a construct that tells the Post Office which sorting office to send the mail to. Grange Moor has a Wakefield Post Code, it's still in Kirklees, or as far as I'm concerned Huddersfield not Wakefield. Nor are administrative authorities any indicator. They too HAVE to be portrayed on Ordnance Survey Maps. They are not real Counties in the sense of where anybody actually lives. The Yorkshire Ridings still exist, as they did in the old fashioned maps from the 1600s, way before they ever became administrative authorities in the late Victorian era. This isn't my opinion, it's fact as spouted by our MPs. Many youngsters of course will actually believe they live in, Greater Manchester, some even in Kirklees, just as some folk live on Teesside, but they're still either in Yorkshire, Lancashire, or Durham/Yorkshire up on Teesside, which now doesn't even exist as an administrative authority. They are all artificial constructs, won't be around for ever, another re-organisation will be along soon, but the actual Counties will still be there in the background. Many things conspire against this understanding, the bits of Yorkshire in other administrative areas, get their tourism funding from those areas, therefore places like Sedbergh and Dent whilst still in Yorkshire, will be part of Cumbria tourism advertising. It's a mess and will only get worse as time goes by. Agreed. I don't live in Kirklees, I live in Huddersfield in West Yorkshire. I just have the misfortune to live in an area run by Kirklees Council!
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Apr 25, 2018 23:12:25 GMT 1
Dewsbury is nearer to Leeds than Huddersfield. Maybe Ravensthorpe is in the middle, but Dewsbury itself is closer to Leeds. I'd expect plenty of Leeds fans there. According to some Heavy Woollen fans all Town fans live out that way whilst no one in Huddersfield supports Town at all!!
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Post by ACW on Apr 25, 2018 23:47:39 GMT 1
Dewsbury is nearer to Leeds than Huddersfield. Maybe Ravensthorpe is in the middle, but Dewsbury itself is closer to Leeds. I'd expect plenty of Leeds fans there. According to some Heavy Woollen fans all Town fans live out that way whilst no one in Huddersfield supports Town at all!! Which is, as us Huddersfield-based fans all know, a complete crock of shit. Although, it would be nice to see us stop up in the Premier League for a decent amount of time so we see less Liverpool and Man Utd shirts around the town. Huddersfield, like most places, has its fair share of glory hunters. I even remember seeing a few Blackburn kits in the mid-90s!
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Post by lossiemouthtownfan on Apr 27, 2018 5:21:34 GMT 1
Have to agree. Grew up on Bennett Lane Dewsbury. Catching the bus on a Saturday from out side the old Whistler Pub there would be one or two lads already on the bus from Shaw cross then me and my mate. A couple more would get on at the bus station. But most of the lads would get on passing through Ravensthorpe. Have to agree that most people I knew back then supported Leeds.
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Post by lochnessterrier on Apr 27, 2018 5:26:00 GMT 1
Have to agree. Grew up on Bennett Lane Dewsbury. Catching the bus on a Saturday from out side the old Whistler Pub there would be one or two lads already on the bus from Shaw cross then me and my mate. A couple more would get on at the bus station. But most of the lads would get on passing through Ravensthorpe. Have to agree that most people I knew back then supported Leeds. Bloody hell I might have been on the same bus, I was down Bywell Road for donkey's years. We really must meet up for a pint and some Town banter Lossie!
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Post by iangreaves on Apr 27, 2018 7:21:55 GMT 1
I'd say Batley has always leaned towards Leeds. Dewsbury was traditionally a good area for Town. Before the wilderness years there was regularly a fleet of buses to away games from Longcauseway. I grew up on Dewsbury Moor, which together with Hecky, Ravensthorpe and Mirfield have always provided good Town support. Ossett, Wakey, Cas, Pontefract were traditionally areas that supported Town but I think the younger generations there are more likely to follow Leeds now.
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Post by Tinpot on Apr 27, 2018 7:30:29 GMT 1
I will never ever understand peoples fascination with believing that their post code is some indicator of where they live. It isn't. Yes it is.
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Post by htfc1908 on Apr 27, 2018 7:34:54 GMT 1
Most people understandably start supporting a team during good times, our problem is we can't fit anymore in limiting how many extra fans we can pick up.
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Post by richhtfc on Apr 27, 2018 8:03:22 GMT 1
Most people understandably start supporting a team during good times, our problem is we can't fit anymore in limiting how many extra fans we can pick up. nah, ground capacity doesn’t matter, most people follow from afar (tv, internet etc..) these days anyway
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Post by detox on Apr 27, 2018 8:28:22 GMT 1
You can't just take population though, whatever outlying areas you decide to include, or not. Surely the demographic of females, ethnicity,age, wealth has a lot more to do with it. While dewsbury and batley may have a larger % of 'ethnics' and 'less wealthy' compared to Huddersfield and district. traditionally I'd say 'ethnics' tend to live in more urban areas than semi urban or rural such as Holmfirth, Meltham, Slawit, Marsden and Denby Dale etc ?
There are minor exceptions of course, we in Huddersfield have a large student content during term time, although how many watch Town i don't know. Of course some 'ethnics' (sorry about the term, it's not meant to sound derogatory )will attend games, some females attend, some 'less wealthy' also..but by and large they are white male 16-70 not in the 'welfare' category who would make up 70% of match attendances, the other 30% made up by females/ethnics/etc ? Does that sound a reasonable assumption ..
I'm sure there are stats somewhere which identify local populations into these categories and maybe that would give a more precise comparison..if anyone fancies doing it...........or not.
in any event, our stadium is sold out with 2,500 left on the waiting list..so we have a constraint on numbers at this time..we also only allow 2,200 away fans as a maximum when if we had the capacity I'm sure several clubs would bring 4 times that amount..while in comparison Leeds hardly ever have a full stadium ? Bradford 'might' also be restricted on capacity as they seem to have a full house most games...
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