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Post by richhtfc on Sept 22, 2018 23:24:09 GMT 1
It’s really not that complicated, we buy potential, and then coach them in our system, we’ve been doing it this way for the last 3-4 years. But it becomes massively complicated when you take the attack out of offensive players and coach them to become defenders. Shackling and smothering players is not a system. Getting back to the basics and your roots by coaching a side with a high press, intensity and energy is a system that has an identity without the confusion I don’t see any evidence of that happening, the gengepress has its foundations in defensive responsibility .
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 22, 2018 23:24:42 GMT 1
Despite being over commited that equaliser is clearly offside, the guy is in front of Vardy when the ball is played.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Sept 22, 2018 23:31:00 GMT 1
After todays performance I think it is fair to say that Mounie wvery week - lol makes Jon Parkin look quick Depoitre is quicker than Mounie We dropped a right bollock not bringing in a pacey striker. Maybe Mbenza can fill that role as Wagner says he can play as a 9
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Post by softboy on Sept 22, 2018 23:32:16 GMT 1
Was at the game and equaliser looked offside - om Match Of The Day clearly showed offside yet they dont even mention it - if it was against any of the top 6 they would have been going on about it over and over again
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Post by robhtfc on Sept 22, 2018 23:42:08 GMT 1
We looked like a team really low on confidence. We played well at times and created enough half opportunities to score or at least test the keeper, the players looked like they wanted someone else to pull the trigger. Billing was excellent and really looks the part at this level now. The highlight for me when he sprinted back with 20 to go to stop a counter attack. Mooy misplaced far too many passes but it’s a good sign that those two can hold their own in midfield. Wagner needs to release the shackles, get back to a 4-2-3-1 and get Pritchard in. We have enough in the squad to score goals, we just need to have a bit more belief and go for it. Maddison was playing for free kicks all afternoon, so frustrating that we gave him so many chances. Poor reffing as well, allowing Leicester to decide when they’d earned a free kick (particularly Maguire) and letting them off yellow cards when they were cynically stopping break always. Not sure how much he's on but would have thought he earns more in a fortnight than most of us earn in a year. Don't think it's asking too much to expect a sprint back to stop a counter attack to be a regular part of his game and not just a highlight.
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Post by loumacari on Sept 22, 2018 23:47:29 GMT 1
We looked like a team really low on confidence. We played well at times and created enough half opportunities to score or at least test the keeper, the players looked like they wanted someone else to pull the trigger. Billing was excellent and really looks the part at this level now. The highlight for me when he sprinted back with 20 to go to stop a counter attack. Mooy misplaced far too many passes but it’s a good sign that those two can hold their own in midfield. Wagner needs to release the shackles, get back to a 4-2-3-1 and get Pritchard in. We have enough in the squad to score goals, we just need to have a bit more belief and go for it. Maddison was playing for free kicks all afternoon, so frustrating that we gave him so many chances. Poor reffing as well, allowing Leicester to decide when they’d earned a free kick (particularly Maguire) and letting them off yellow cards when they were cynically stopping break always. Not sure how much he's on but would have thought he earns more in a fortnight than most of us earn in a year. Don't think it's asking too much to expect a sprint back to stop a counter attack to be a regular part of his game and not just a highlight. Well it shows he is interested, which is more than certain people on here would have you believe.
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Post by muffinman on Sept 23, 2018 1:41:07 GMT 1
Time to get back to 4231 for me. Pritchard in front of Billing and Mooy bringing back geggenpressing.
Our best results both last season and in the championship came from putting pressure on the ball, stealing back possession and releasing the ball quickly. With Billing seemingly replacing Hogg as a starter we have improved our ability to pick out passes.
The one thing that worries me about this is that we seem to have lost our stability at the back. As much as opposing teams haven't had too much in the way of chances we have let in some pretty poor goals so far and always look vulnerable. I'd swap Zanka for Kongolo in a back four and see how that goes.
Yesterday wasn't awful but the early goal masked what was a poor attacking display. Time for Mbenza to get a shout? Can't be much worse than Diakhaby who, other than a good showing preseason against Lyon, looks out of his depth. He's given away a fair few free kicks and today it caught up with him. LDP shouldve got his shot off but I don't think Mounie would've done much better as he's just as slow. In a 4231 I'd go with LDP as his holding and releasing of the ball is much better.
Wagner, if you're listening mate, I think it's time to put your hands up and say we are playing too negative, especially at home. I'm not writing us off yet but if we persist with this style of play we aren't going to get goals. None from open play so far this season speaks volumes. Trying to be constructive withy criticism here as its clear that people are loosing faith. And that's dangerous for us.
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Post by jafa on Sept 23, 2018 2:01:06 GMT 1
I wouldn't argue with this report: HUDDERSFIELD Key Talking Point There is a growing sense that the 'second season syndrome' is lingering over Huddersfield. The Terriers are still without a win and it is clear to see why. They simply aren't sharp enough at the top end of the pitch. Plenty of half chances fell their way when they were still level at 1-1, but each one was spurned. The Leicester defence has been leaky recenty, but the likes of Rajiv van La Parra and Laurent Depoitre failed to cause any real problems. Each game is going to start getting more and more important for David Wagner and he'll be hoping that his side can start being more efficient in front of goal. Player Ratings Starting XI: Lossl (5); Durm (5), Zanka (6), Schindler (6), Kongolo (6), Lowe (6); Kachunga (4), Billing (6), Mooy (5), Van La Parra (5); Depoitre (6). Substitutes: Diakhaby (4), Pritchard (5). Star Man - There weren't many stand out performers for Huddersfield, but Phillip Billing deserves a mention for his work in midfield. He rarely put a foot wrong in the centre of the park and provided the long throw for Huddersfield's opener. He needs to stay fit this season if Huddersfield are going to stand any chance of beating the drop. www.90min.com/posts/6177905-leicester-3-1-huddersfield-report-ratings-reaction-as-maddison-steals-the-show-for-the-foxes
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Post by otium (EPBS) on Sept 23, 2018 2:39:03 GMT 1
Most goals come from counters, set pieces or pressure causing a big errors at the back. We are not fast or intuitive enough for the first (as well as being too defensive). We have been shite at set pieces for years and we play so little high up the field that the chances of a defensive error are limited. Shots on target? Two...yet again. Simply no where near enough. We are no better now than when we were promoted...and thats after signing a dozen players on big money. We used up all our luck last season (and the one before). Unless there is a radical turn around in football fortunes we will be relegated in March. The best players must start....and for me thats VLP and LDP.
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on Sept 23, 2018 7:37:53 GMT 1
We looked like a team really low on confidence. We played well at times and created enough half opportunities to score or at least test the keeper, the players looked like they wanted someone else to pull the trigger. Billing was excellent and really looks the part at this level now. The highlight for me when he sprinted back with 20 to go to stop a counter attack. Mooy misplaced far too many passes but it’s a good sign that those two can hold their own in midfield. Wagner needs to release the shackles, get back to a 4-2-3-1 and get Pritchard in. We have enough in the squad to score goals, we just need to have a bit more belief and go for it. Maddison was playing for free kicks all afternoon, so frustrating that we gave him so many chances. Poor reffing as well, allowing Leicester to decide when they’d earned a free kick (particularly Maguire) and letting them off yellow cards when they were cynically stopping break always. Not sure how much he's on but would have thought he earns more in a fortnight than most of us earn in a year. Don't think it's asking too much to expect a sprint back to stop a counter attack to be a regular part of his game and not just a highlight. So by that logic if we start paying Mark Hudson £100k a week he’ll be able to sprint all match on demand? Do you think players consider their wage before deciding whether they should sprint back or not? My point is that billing hasn’t often played a full 90 minutes and his stamina and workrate have often let him down. We got him as a kid with potential and lots to work on, the defensive side of things being his main weakness. Also without Hogg we lose his ability to snuff out counter attacks and screen the defence. That passage of play from Billing and Mooy in shutting off the counter attack showed a side of his game he’s really developed and it bodes well for the team as he offers so much more going forward than Hogg.
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Post by detox on Sept 23, 2018 8:57:21 GMT 1
DW - " Huddersfield manager David Wagner said: "We made so many big mistakes in my point of view. We got the lead but we gave them presents. We conceded two counter-attack goals against Leicester, and we didn't use our chances in the offensive side.
"Apart from that, the performance and the attitude was there. If I compare the gap between us and the other teams, there is not a lot and I can see we are closing the gap in terms of performances and the talent we have, but the opponent didn't have to invest anything to score today and that is what we have to stop."
Sorry Dave mate, but we gotta play further up the pitch and stop teams enjoying 60%+ possession while we run round chasing them ...
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Sept 23, 2018 9:00:43 GMT 1
Cant believe we didnt sign a top striker in the summer, and who the hell scouted The two unwide lads ?
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Post by y2troy on Sept 23, 2018 9:05:52 GMT 1
DW's report at end of game does worry me as he makes it sound like we had lots of chances , didnt see that game myself , we played too far back and what were these chances he refers too ,im sorry DW i thin r great guy an that but week adter week cant keep on saying same thing , if we lose against spurs then again against Burnley then be proper up against it .
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Sept 23, 2018 9:15:05 GMT 1
DW's report at end of game does worry me as he makes it sound like we had lots of chances , didnt see that game myself , we played too far back and what were these chances he refers too ,im sorry DW i thin r great guy an that but week adter week cant keep on saying same thing , if we lose against spurs then again against Burnley then be proper up against it . Think he's trying to be positive but judging by the way we play every week I honestly think he believes what he is saying. Like I've said before if he is expecting different results from doing the same thing week on week then he's lost the plot.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Sept 23, 2018 9:15:59 GMT 1
DW's report at end of game does worry me as he makes it sound like we had lots of chances , didnt see that game myself , we played too far back and what were these chances he refers too ,im sorry DW i thin r great guy an that but week adter week cant keep on saying same thing , if we lose against spurs then again against Burnley then be proper up against it . You honestly think we might get something from Spurs ? And Burnley thrashed bornmuffs
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Post by andyeastleake on Sept 23, 2018 9:49:58 GMT 1
Cant believe we didnt sign a top striker in the summer, and who the hell scouted The two unwide lads ? Perhaps you could bump up all your posts demanding a striker over the Summer Nick (although I believe they only exist in your head) The clear requirement was definitely on the flanks (all the way down the pitch - & TBH still is). ....& that's where we spent our money. The problem is that on the evidence so far (& it is still mighty limited) we may not have spent it that wisely in the short term except for Kongolo. PS Edited as it appears Nick thought I was paying him a compliment
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Post by andyeastleake on Sept 23, 2018 9:52:43 GMT 1
Was at the game and equaliser looked offside - om Match Of The Day clearly showed offside yet they dont even mention it - if it was against any of the top 6 they would have been going on about it over and over again That's what annoys me as well. It's tight very tight. Not certain it's offside. .....but it is undoubtedly close enough to have a review of it and other clubs would certainly have had that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 10:14:21 GMT 1
Was at the game and equaliser looked offside - om Match Of The Day clearly showed offside yet they dont even mention it - if it was against any of the top 6 they would have been going on about it over and over again That's what annoys me as well. It's tight very tight. Not certain it's offside. .....but it is undoubtedly close enough to have a review of it and other clubs would certainly have had that. The only time the possibility of offside was mentioned anywhere was Paul Ogden on Radio Leeds.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Sept 23, 2018 10:15:41 GMT 1
There was a few positives from yesterday. We scored a goal, Durm looked good, much better than Flo. Thought Lowe played well too. Depoitre although he missed his 2 big chances he worked very hard.
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Post by portugalterrier on Sept 23, 2018 10:16:30 GMT 1
Thought at times we were a little unlucky with some of the 50/50 referee calls at Leicester, the linesman for their equaliser was not up with play so couldn’t give any decision, was offside from my view , The goal score being in front of Vardy when the pss was made, The linesman had a poor game throughout as did the ref imo.
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Post by 4 pts on Sept 23, 2018 11:07:36 GMT 1
But it becomes massively complicated when you take the attack out of offensive players and coach them to become defenders. Shackling and smothering players is not a system. Getting back to the basics and your roots by coaching a side with a high press, intensity and energy is a system that has an identity without the confusion I don’t see any evidence of that happening, the gengepress has its foundations in defensive responsibility . The version of Gegenpress implemented by Klopp and passed on to DW is to win the ball back quickly with a high press, intensity and energy. When the ball is retained, then a fast counter attack is formed. As quite a few on here have mentioned, this play style was reined in the moment Spurs came to Town. For me, you stand by your principles. You may take a few beatings but you will have a lot more success sticking to what you know instead of muddying the waters and confusing your players.
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Post by muffinman on Sept 23, 2018 11:16:51 GMT 1
I don’t see any evidence of that happening, the gengepress has its foundations in defensive responsibility . The version of Gegenpress implemented by Klopp and passed on to DW is to win the ball back quickly with a high press, intensity and energy. When the ball is retained, then a fast counter attack is formed. As quite a few on here have mentioned, this play style was reined in the moment Spurs came to Town. For me, you stand by your principles. You may take a few beatings but you will have a lot more success sticking to what you know instead of muddying the waters and confusing your players. Next Q&A someone needs to bring this up. Let's bring back our terrier identity.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 15:08:23 GMT 1
There was a few positives from yesterday. We scored a goal, Durm looked good, much better than Flo. Thought Lowe played well too. Depoitre although he missed his 2 big chances he worked very hard. Lowes been better this season in a 5.not sure if he would be the same if we go back to 4 man defence
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Post by griffa on Sept 23, 2018 15:45:17 GMT 1
There was a few positives from yesterday. We scored a goal, Durm looked good, much better than Flo. Thought Lowe played well too. Depoitre although he missed his 2 big chances he worked very hard. I'd re Durm, apart from the ball he gave away, for the equalizer - UTT.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Sept 23, 2018 16:23:54 GMT 1
Was at the game and equaliser looked offside - om Match Of The Day clearly showed offside yet they dont even mention it - if it was against any of the top 6 they would have been going on about it over and over again That's what annoys me as well. It's tight very tight. Not certain it's offside. .....but it is undoubtedly close enough to have a review of it and other clubs would certainly have had that. This is where Town are maybe too nice Most PL managers would be making a point of that goal post match - it won’t change that decision but it cranks up the pressure on refs each time we get a bad call so that they know if they get a marginal call wrong against Town they’ll be called out in the press and their decision fully scrutinised
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Post by hypotenuse on Sept 23, 2018 16:28:38 GMT 1
Three individual errors cost us, Durm thinking he's Messi, Diakhaby with a forwards challenge after an elephantine first touch, and VLP with a pass straight to a Leicester man. Having said that, all 3 finishes were pretty good, and the pass to Vardy for the third was terrific. I think we have someone who can unlock defences with a similar ball, but he was only on the pitch for 20 minutes or so. For me it's a no at the moment for Kachunga and VLP, and a yes to Pritchard and even Diakhaby to do his stuff at the right end of the pitch. UTT (oh and none of our players are "shit" FFS) At last, a sensible post. All 3 goals down to catastrophic individual errors. You can’t legislate for that. Some of the comments on here are crazy. I went and thought we played quite well. Despite what some on here say, Depoitre was excellent in every respect (except for missing 2 very presentable chances) and way better than Mounie - intelligent running, win loads of headers, found players with intelligent passes - probably my MoM. We were the better side by some margin until Durm’s unfortunate error - felt for the guy as he was another who looked decent. Billing and Mooy decent in midfield and did lots of good covering. Thought Leicester looked very fragile at the back - a game and surface made for Pritchard but he was brought on too late. Negatives were (sadly) Diakhaby who looks far too lightweight for the prem and his dreadful touch and subsequent foul turned the game as I couldn’t really see Leicester scoring at the time. VLP started well but gave the ball away too much in the 2nd half and was culpable for the 3rd.
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Post by wildbillthetownfan on Sept 23, 2018 17:56:37 GMT 1
Apparently, all of our goals so far this season have come from throw in's so it's really simple we just concentrate of winning a throw in,in the last quarter of the pitch and we will be fine. Diakhaby, oh dear not a lot to say about the lad says it all really and fro me, Leicester were there for the taking. Ijust dont know why it is, but every time we make a mistake! it gets punished.
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Post by bigtruck on Sept 23, 2018 20:32:25 GMT 1
I think the game shows what a difference pace can make. Leicester were awful at the back but with inheacho and vardy you’re always going to have a shot
I actually thought yesterday was the worst I’ve seen. Just looked out on arses and a distinct lack of ideas. I’ll hold my hand up after slating him but Billing is improving. But we’ve got to get some pace in the final 3rd
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Sept 23, 2018 20:42:44 GMT 1
I think the game shows what a difference pace can make. Leicester were awful at the back but with inheacho and vardy you’re always going to have a shot I actually thought yesterday was the worst I’ve seen. Just looked out on arses and a distinct lack of ideas. I’ll hold my hand up after slating him but Billing is improving. But we’ve got to get some pace in the final 3rd Billing has been one of our best players in the last 3 games. Maybe the best in all 3
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Post by Convictatthemac on Sept 24, 2018 1:25:25 GMT 1
Very frustrating day. I thought going a goal up we had a huge chance of upsetting Leicester but it wasn’t to be. Everyone has covered most of the points, however, I wanted to bring up something I noticed that hasn’t been covered.
At halftime, Bühler and Mooy were having a robust discussion on the edge of the pitch as they returned to the field. I sensed a frustration in Mooy that he was being told to do something and Mooy was trying to explain it wasn’t working. Mooy clearly came across as a frustrated player and was very animated for his quiet self.
I thought Mooy played well in the first half but wasn’t so good in the second half. Leicester with their 3 man midfield, were able to get either side of Billing and Mooy. Maddison was able to pick up the ball in the hole between our CB’s and CM’s. when it wasn’t Maddison, it was Vardy dropping deep or Gray. I got the impression that Mooy was also getting frustrated by Ndidi having too much room and there just being too much in general to do for Mooy. His lack of pace not helping against a very speedy Leicester team.
Maybe it was nothing between Bühler and Mooy, I just found it unusual that your quietest lad in the team was very animated when discussing tactics and then went on to have a frustrating half of football.
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