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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2018 19:23:12 GMT 1
Flo:
66 crosses
0 assists
Lowe:
77 crosses
1 assist
Billing:
45 crosses
0 assists
Mooy:
85 crosses
0 assists
That’s 273 crosses from those 4 players alone... that have resulted in a solitary assist. Not great.
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Post by ColchTerrier on Dec 15, 2018 19:26:17 GMT 1
If we had a good striker we’d of been 2/3 up at half time. Some of the crosses from Hadergonads were sublime. Just a shame Depoitre moves like he’s stuck in treacle, awful from him today.
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Post by Der Blitzbomber on Dec 15, 2018 19:26:36 GMT 1
When the cross is good, there's nobody there. When there's men in the box the cross is shite.
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Post by impact on Dec 15, 2018 19:31:22 GMT 1
When the cross is good, there's nobody there. When there's men in the box the cross is shite. This is absolutely spot on. At times today we had 3 men in and the ball hit the 1st man, or was floated in giving nobody a chance. |
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Post by impact on Dec 15, 2018 19:34:10 GMT 1
If we had a good striker we’d of been 2/3 up at half time. Some of the crosses from Hadergonads were sublime. Just a shame Depoitre moves like he’s stuck in treacle, awful from him today. I see what you're saying in a way, but when there's only 1 man in the box you need to try and pick him out. He put some nice looking balls in but they were nowhere near Depoitre or where he was moving to. He never seems to look up. There's fault both ways as Depoitre's movement was awful at times. Contrast that to Lowe picking out Mooy at Wolves when he looked up, however. |
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Post by Giggity on Dec 15, 2018 19:36:01 GMT 1
If we had a good striker we’d of been 2/3 up at half time. Some of the crosses from Hadergonads were sublime. Just a shame Depoitre moves like he’s stuck in treacle, awful from him today. Depoitre has been an embarrassment this season. I would pay Genk to take him off our hands right now. |
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Post by ACW on Dec 15, 2018 19:37:58 GMT 1
When the ball is crossed into the box we don't do the basics. No one gets across the keeper at the near post, no one attacks the far post and we never seem to pick up second balls. Add in our inconsistent delivery and its no wonder we make so little of them.
The stats from the OP are scary.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Dec 15, 2018 19:40:16 GMT 1
When the ball is crossed into the box we don't do the basics. No one gets across the keeper at the near post, no one attacks the far post and we never seem to pick up second balls. Add in our inconsistent delivery and its no wonder we make so little of them. The stats from the OP are scary. There are plenty which are more scary |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2018 19:41:11 GMT 1
No need to always look up, just get it in the right area and a good striker will get there. Standing still by the penalty spot, sandwiched by 2 centre backs, means even the perfect cross is nigh on impossible to score from.
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Post by k1man999 on Dec 15, 2018 19:47:21 GMT 1
We don't get across the front post ever.
Need to start attacking that area getting across the first man or keeper we make it too easy to defend
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Post by TommyTheTerrier on Dec 15, 2018 19:49:55 GMT 1
Or instead of crossing it every time we could try something different? Perhaps a long throw?
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Post by ColchTerrier on Dec 15, 2018 19:57:38 GMT 1
If we had a good striker we’d of been 2/3 up at half time. Some of the crosses from Hadergonads were sublime. Just a shame Depoitre moves like he’s stuck in treacle, awful from him today. I see what you're saying in a way, but when there's only 1 man in the box you need to try and pick him out. He put some nice looking balls in but they were nowhere near Depoitre or where he was moving to. He never seems to look up. There's fault both ways as Depoitre's movement was awful at times. Contrast that to Lowe picking out Mooy at Wolves when he looked up, however. It’s where he should be moving too mate, but he didn’t. IMO he didn’t seem interested today. There were 2 crosses first half between their keeper and defender in which a good striker would have notched them both in with their movement. I love the guy for last season but he was shite today! |
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Post by WirralTerrier on Dec 15, 2018 19:57:55 GMT 1
Think the main reason we have so few assists and goals in general is nothing to do with crossing being poor or not. We generally only have 1 player in the box when we cross it in. Pritchard is not often in there as he spends most the time outside the area linking play and creating for the crossing opportunities. So that leaves mounie or depoitre as the sole person to make something from a cross against probably 3 defenders in and around him. Then there may be the opposite full back in the area who is as likely to score as probably I am.
We need more attacking quality on the pitch and more of them in forward positions. The formation we play is great for being more solid and having possession but having 5 defenders, 3 holding midfielders, 1 attack mid who has No pace and a striker who can't hold it up or run on to anything means we are so limited going forward. It then just becomes so predictable and dull.
The recruitment in forward positions has been extremely poor since we've got to the premier league so it doesn't really give us many options of where we can go from here. The fact that Quaner is now back on the bench says it all, a player who wasn't probably good enough for us when we were in the championship.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2018 20:24:55 GMT 1
Reading the OP has made me really cross.......and a better quality of cross than those of the aforementioned dingbats!
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Post by ACW on Dec 15, 2018 20:29:04 GMT 1
When the ball is crossed into the box we don't do the basics. No one gets across the keeper at the near post, no one attacks the far post and we never seem to pick up second balls. Add in our inconsistent delivery and its no wonder we make so little of them. The stats from the OP are scary. There are plenty which are more scary Like the one that states we've now failed to score in 29 Premier League games? |
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Dec 15, 2018 20:32:20 GMT 1
There are plenty which are more scary Like the one that states we've now failed to score in 29 Premier League games? There's probably too many to list. The one I posted in the match thread about our second half goals is one of the worst though |
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Post by impact on Dec 15, 2018 20:49:44 GMT 1
I see what you're saying in a way, but when there's only 1 man in the box you need to try and pick him out. He put some nice looking balls in but they were nowhere near Depoitre or where he was moving to. He never seems to look up. There's fault both ways as Depoitre's movement was awful at times. Contrast that to Lowe picking out Mooy at Wolves when he looked up, however. It’s where he should be moving too mate, but he didn’t. IMO he didn’t seem interested today. There were 2 crosses first half between their keeper and defender in which a good striker would have notched them both in with their movement. I love the guy for last season but he was shite today! There was 1 moment at the end of the 1st half that highlighted it for me. Depoitre went front post and Flo smashed a ball way past him to the far post. People watching replays on the stream said the pull back to him wasn't on, fair enough, but Flo didn't look up once and in the end played a completely pointless ball, no matter whether Depoitre should have been there or not. Playing a great ball to no one is just as useful as playing an awful ball to someone. |
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Post by ColchTerrier on Dec 15, 2018 20:56:21 GMT 1
It’s where he should be moving too mate, but he didn’t. IMO he didn’t seem interested today. There were 2 crosses first half between their keeper and defender in which a good striker would have notched them both in with their movement. I love the guy for last season but he was shite today! There was 1 moment at the end of the 1st half that highlighted it for me. Depoitre went front post and Flo smashed a ball way past him to the far post. People watching replays on the stream said the pull back to him wasn't on, fair enough, but Flo didn't look up once and in the end played a completely pointless ball, no matter whether Depoitre should have been there or not. Playing a great ball to no one is just as useful as playing an awful ball to someone. That’s fair enough. Didn’t see that, was on the pot  |
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Post by Frederick on Dec 15, 2018 21:37:21 GMT 1
That's what happens when your 3 midfielders are told safety first.
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Post by pjr43 on Dec 15, 2018 23:01:14 GMT 1
Contrast that to Lowe picking out Mooy at Wolves when he looked up, however. Except Lowe wasn't on the pitch, it was Durm. |
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Post by Jack on Dec 15, 2018 23:14:53 GMT 1
Contrast that to Lowe picking out Mooy at Wolves when he looked up, however. Except Lowe wasn't on the pitch, it was Durm. I was just about to correct that too. I'd have him over Flo or Lowe. |
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Post by ACW on Dec 15, 2018 23:17:22 GMT 1
Except Lowe wasn't on the pitch, it was Durm. I was just about to correct that too. I'd have him over Flo or Lowe. It seems strange to me that Durm doesn't start when fit. He's obviously our best fullback. Perhaps Wagner is protecting him from injury? |
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Post by Jack on Dec 15, 2018 23:26:31 GMT 1
I was just about to correct that too. I'd have him over Flo or Lowe. It seems strange to me that Durm doesn't start when fit. He's obviously our best fullback. Perhaps Wagner is protecting him from injury? Bit of a mystery. I can see why he wouldn't play every game but that's 2 matches he's not started now. I don't think Flo did too bad today but he's had some bad games recently. Durm just seems to have a bit more composure. Hope he starts the next one. |
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Post by impact on Dec 16, 2018 0:53:46 GMT 1
Contrast that to Lowe picking out Mooy at Wolves when he looked up, however. Except Lowe wasn't on the pitch, it was Durm. Either way, I'd have either over Flo. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2018 11:46:17 GMT 1
As it stands we have put in more crosses (439) than every other team in the PL this season.
That’s 23 per match on average.
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Post by BLUE&WHITE on Dec 28, 2018 11:49:48 GMT 1
Mounie came here as the top scorer of headers in Europe. That was his speciality.
He doesn't become poor at this overnight, is he being coached out of being in the right position?
I do think that the players look over coached at times. Contrast that with klopp or even soljeaker who tell the players to express themselves
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Post by specialun on Dec 28, 2018 11:57:57 GMT 1
Flo: 66 crosses 0 assists Lowe: 77 crosses 1 assist Billing: 45 crosses 0 assists Mooy: 85 crosses 0 assists That’s 273 crosses from those 4 players alone... that have resulted in a solitary assist. Not great. Flo doesn’t look up - that’s half his problem. He’s wasted 6/7 excellent opportunities alone this season Mooy made the most successful corners (crosses) in a Premier League game against Bournemouth since 2011 (Ashley Young) per Opta... similar at the World Cup But take the man united goal at the weekend, if Flo had read the movement and won the header with Lindelof rather than been asleep and a yard behind Town fans would have said that was a terrible corner (the usual ‘how can he not beat the first man’ rubbish you here)... better movement and poor marking made it a great corner. The majority of goals from corners come from the near post - very hard to defend anything from that angle / with the pace on the ball |
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Post by Amigo on Dec 28, 2018 13:49:41 GMT 1
Mounie came here as the top scorer of headers in Europe. That was his speciality. He doesn't become poor at this overnight, is he being coached out of being in the right position? I do think that the players look over coached at times. Contrast that with klopp or even soljeaker who tell the players to express themselves I think the problem is not so much Mounie but the fact that the defenders only have him to mark. One can get in front, one next to him, one behind him giving him no room to move and needing David Beckham to cross it on a sixpence for him. If defenders had others to worry about getting in the box then he'd have more space. At Montpellier he was the focal point of a 4-2-3-1 with 2 wingers (Mbenza being one quite often in the second half of the season) and Boudebouz behind him so opposition players had more than just him to worry about. |
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Post by football on Dec 28, 2018 15:12:08 GMT 1
He flicked on the ball for Zankas goal
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Post by 4 pts on Dec 28, 2018 15:19:24 GMT 1
Mounie came here as the top scorer of headers in Europe. That was his speciality. He doesn't become poor at this overnight, is he being coached out of being in the right position? I do think that the players look over coached at times. Contrast that with klopp or even soljeaker who tell the players to express themselves I think the problem is not so much Mounie but the fact that the defenders only have him to mark. One can get in front, one next to him, one behind him giving him no room to move and needing David Beckham to cross it on a sixpence for him. If defenders had others to worry about getting in the box then he'd have more space. At Montpellier he was the focal point of a 4-2-3-1 with 2 wingers (Mbenza being one quite often in the second half of the season) and Boudebouz behind him so opposition players had more than just him to worry about. Imo the defenders are irrelevant if the striker doesn't anticipate and or gamble. He NEVER goes front post and if you watch him closely, reacts after the ball is played, therefore rarely gets there. He doesn't have the killer instinct required at this level and unfortunately its as simple as that |
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