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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2018 8:56:32 GMT 1
DW would rather play with wingers and attack attack attack.... it's always been his way....But unfortunately he can't play that system because the wingers are simply not good enough to start a premier league game... He's simply fining a way of playing his best players that he has .. he's got to find a system to play them all and the system is 3 5 1 fuckin 1 .... It's not all his fault that the attacking players he has are ...well crap . Doesn't Wagner look at the players before he signs them,or does he just stick pins in his Panini sticker book when chosing
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Post by royrace on Dec 19, 2018 10:29:44 GMT 1
DW would rather play with wingers and attack attack attack.... it's always been his way....But unfortunately he can't play that system because the wingers are simply not good enough to start a premier league game... He's simply fining a way of playing his best players that he has .. he's got to find a system to play them all and the system is 3 5 1 fuckin 1 .... It's not all his fault that the attacking players he has are ...well crap . Doesn't Wagner look at the players before he signs them,or does he just stick pins in his Panini sticker book when chosing Wagner will give a brief on what he wants. He doesn't have the time to do all the research and due diligence on players. You don't have a dog and bark yourself. Wagner clearly requested top quality wide men who were good enough for pl football and would work in his preferred 4231 and occasional 5 at the back. They were that confident they allowed Ince to leave. Turns out we've blown twenty odd million on players nowhere near good enough and let one that is, leave. We'll find out who is to blame in time I'm sure but I don't see how it can be Wagner. It's like blaming him if the food is shit in the canteen, he may have a say in the menu but he doesn't do the cooking. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2018 10:46:43 GMT 1
Lossl
Durm/Zanka/Schindler/Kongolo Hogg/Billing Diaks/Pritch/Mbenza Mounie
All out attack at home!
However, it'll just be the same team as last week but with Mounie in instead. Bore.
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Post by huddshroom on Dec 19, 2018 11:05:20 GMT 1
Crowd need to get back to last seasons intensity, I know the players need to help this happen but it really did make us have the 12th man last season
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Dec 19, 2018 11:11:47 GMT 1
Lossl Durm/Zanka/Schindler/Kongolo Hogg/Billing Diaks/Pritch/Mbenza Mounie All out attack at home! However, it'll just be the same team as last week but with Mounie in instead. Bore. just vlp for diak bar
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Post by teddytheterrier on Dec 19, 2018 11:36:01 GMT 1
Doesn't Wagner look at the players before he signs them,or does he just stick pins in his Panini sticker book when chosing Wagner will give a brief on what he wants. He doesn't have the time to do all the research and due diligence on players. You don't have a dog and bark yourself. Wagner clearly requested top quality wide men who were good enough for pl football and would work in his preferred 4231 and occasional 5 at the back. They were that confident they allowed Ince to leave. Turns out we've blown twenty odd million on players nowhere near good enough and let one that is, leave. We'll find out who is to blame in time I'm sure but I don't see how it can be Wagner. It's like blaming him if the food is shit in the canteen, he may have a say in the menu but he doesn't do the cooking. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards Fully agree with this, only one man responsible for the dire summer recruitment, Olaf Rebbe.
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Post by garyroberts'leftfoot on Dec 19, 2018 11:38:06 GMT 1
Doesn't Wagner look at the players before he signs them,or does he just stick pins in his Panini sticker book when chosing Wagner will give a brief on what he wants. He doesn't have the time to do all the research and due diligence on players. You don't have a dog and bark yourself. Wagner clearly requested top quality wide men who were good enough for pl football and would work in his preferred 4231 and occasional 5 at the back. They were that confident they allowed Ince to leave. Turns out we've blown twenty odd million on players nowhere near good enough and let one that is, leave. We'll find out who is to blame in time I'm sure but I don't see how it can be Wagner. It's like blaming him if the food is shit in the canteen, he may have a say in the menu but he doesn't do the cooking. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards I don’t know what makes you think ince was good enough. 2 goals and 0 assists in 33 premierleague appearances proves that he wasn’t.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Dec 19, 2018 11:39:52 GMT 1
The reason we play this formation is because we are lacking the players to play the 4-2-3-1, its called adapting. The only thing i'd get on Wagners back for is continuing to play Depoitre and not trying somebody different up top.
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Post by htafctaunton on Dec 19, 2018 13:52:19 GMT 1
No fucking about with this one. Don't care what has gone on in training or behind the scenes. Let's get these new lads playing the formation they were brought in to play. You don't get signed by Monaco nor play for Belgium U21s if you're a mug. --------Lossl Durm Zanka Schindler Kongolo ------Hogg Billing Mbenza Pritchard Diakahby -------Mounie Front foot, attacking football that we saw when DW arrived. Give Soton something to think about, because based on their impressive display against Arsenal yesterday we will struggle to keep a clean sheet. You've got to risk the loss to get the win, this is a team I would like. ....would go for this also...BUT....after Bacuna's impressive display against Newcastle, I would definitely play him again before either Mb or Dk... ....my other (poss) tweak... Zanka often loses the defensive 'line', and plays opposing forwards on-side....so I might play Loewe as the other full-back, with Schindler / Kongolo (both brilliant!) as centre-backs...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2018 14:41:51 GMT 1
Wagner will give a brief on what he wants. He doesn't have the time to do all the research and due diligence on players. You don't have a dog and bark yourself. Wagner clearly requested top quality wide men who were good enough for pl football and would work in his preferred 4231 and occasional 5 at the back. They were that confident they allowed Ince to leave. Turns out we've blown twenty odd million on players nowhere near good enough and let one that is, leave. We'll find out who is to blame in time I'm sure but I don't see how it can be Wagner. It's like blaming him if the food is shit in the canteen, he may have a say in the menu but he doesn't do the cooking. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards I don’t know what makes you think ince was good enough. 2 goals and 0 assists in 33 premierleague appearances proves that he wasn’t. Ince, Pritchard and VLP behind Mounie in a 4231 formation would be considerably better than anything I have witnessed in attack so far this season.
With Billing, Mooy, Hogg, Willliams and Bacuna fighting for the 2 midfield, maybe 3 against top 6.
4 from Durm Loewe Kongolo Zanka Schindler Hadergonads or Smith in defence
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Post by oldmanboothy on Dec 19, 2018 14:57:00 GMT 1
Wagner will give a brief on what he wants. He doesn't have the time to do all the research and due diligence on players. You don't have a dog and bark yourself. Wagner clearly requested top quality wide men who were good enough for pl football and would work in his preferred 4231 and occasional 5 at the back. They were that confident they allowed Ince to leave. Turns out we've blown twenty odd million on players nowhere near good enough and let one that is, leave. We'll find out who is to blame in time I'm sure but I don't see how it can be Wagner. It's like blaming him if the food is shit in the canteen, he may have a say in the menu but he doesn't do the cooking. Sent from my SM-G920F using proboards Fully agree with this, only one man responsible for the dire summer recruitment, Olaf Rebbe. Factually incorrect. Recruitment team is much larger than one man. In fact, Rebbe actually took more of a back seat in our recruitment this summer with him joining the club so late into proceedings so this witch hunt of one bloke being labelled as being solely responsible for our awful recruitment needs to stop
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Post by The King's Head 1230 on Dec 19, 2018 15:03:08 GMT 1
Sadly not looking forward to this at all. Have we been spoilt over the last 2 years? It's the negative approach this season & it's starting to rub off in the crowd. Somehow need to scrape some points from the next 4 games. And hopefully reshuffle in Jan to stay in this division. If we don't pick points than Jan onwards becomes plan for the Championship with morale & entertainment at a low.
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Dec 19, 2018 15:09:21 GMT 1
Crowd need to get back to last seasons intensity, I know the players need to help this happen but it really did make us have the 12th man last season But you can only chant and sing so many times when all you are celebrating is the winning of the odd corner or throw-in. I'd say that the team/squad owe the crowd rather more than it being the other way around. Controversial opinion, I know...
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Post by ACW on Dec 19, 2018 15:33:42 GMT 1
Crowd need to get back to last seasons intensity, I know the players need to help this happen but it really did make us have the 12th man last season I blame chris92. Having been single-handedly responsible for turning the John Smith's Stadium into a cauldron of noise last season, his efforts this year have been poor.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Dec 19, 2018 17:23:21 GMT 1
Just posted this on another thread...
Hang on!
What is all this we need to change this and that - we are down to the bare bones in midfield with whatever XI is selected.
And let's not forget in Mouniè's last 3 full appearances, we won 2, drew 1 and were leading in the next against an at the time hopeless Brighton before he was sent off.
Mouniè for Depoitre will be a massive change given Lolo's ineffective performances in Mounie's absence.
I think DW's tactics were working with Mouniè leading the line - Mooy's absence will always be felt but even against Newcastle we were utterly dominant until it came to in and around Newcastle's penalty area.
I would be disappointed to see radical changes for the crucial game on Saturday - Try them at United and beyond if Mouniè's return doesn't have the desired effect.
The impatience of Town's fans baffle me at times - we were on a good run until Mouniè's suspension but the 2nd half against Newcastle seems to have brought out all the 'woe is me' - change this and change that because I know better - fans
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Post by drumriggend on Dec 19, 2018 17:55:21 GMT 1
Just posted this on another thread... Hang on! What is all this we need to change this and that - we are down to the bare bones in midfield with whatever XI is selected. And let's not forget in Mouniè's last 3 full appearances, we won 2, drew 1 and were leading in the next against an at the time hopeless Brighton before he was sent off. Mouniè for Depoitre will be a massive change given Lolo's ineffective performances in Mounie's absence. I think DW's tactics were working with Mouniè leading the line - Mooy's absence will always be felt but even against Newcastle we were utterly dominant until it came to in and around Newcastle's penalty area. I would be disappointed to see radical changes for the crucial game on Saturday - Try them at United and beyond if Mouniè's return doesn't have the desired effect. The impatience of Town's fans baffle me at times - we were on a good run until Mouniè's suspension but the 2nd half against Newcastle seems to have brought out all the 'woe is me' - change this and change that because I know better - fans Well said bro.. The doom mongers have been in charge for the last few weeks.. They will all fook off back to their pits of misery when we win on satdy..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2018 19:03:57 GMT 1
Crowd need to get back to last seasons intensity, I know the players need to help this happen but it really did make us have the 12th man last season Our negative miserable fans have mostly already given up it seems mate. No-one has taken note of how shit the other teams around us are. Bottom of the prem is a long way from being humiliated at Derby, forest, leeds et al as was our standard.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2018 19:05:40 GMT 1
Just posted this on another thread... Hang on! What is all this we need to change this and that - we are down to the bare bones in midfield with whatever XI is selected. And let's not forget in Mouniè's last 3 full appearances, we won 2, drew 1 and were leading in the next against an at the time hopeless Brighton before he was sent off. Mouniè for Depoitre will be a massive change given Lolo's ineffective performances in Mounie's absence. I think DW's tactics were working with Mouniè leading the line - Mooy's absence will always be felt but even against Newcastle we were utterly dominant until it came to in and around Newcastle's penalty area. I would be disappointed to see radical changes for the crucial game on Saturday - Try them at United and beyond if Mouniè's return doesn't have the desired effect. The impatience of Town's fans baffle me at times - we were on a good run until Mouniè's suspension but the 2nd half against Newcastle seems to have brought out all the 'woe is me' - change this and change that because I know better - fans Well said bro.. The doom mongers have been in charge for the last few weeks.. They will all fook off back to their pits of misery when we win on satdy.. It’s a mindset thing. Some people are more comfortable with failure and discontentedness. Hope, expectation and belief carry risk and fear.
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Post by morleyterrier on Dec 19, 2018 19:15:39 GMT 1
Can they please leave Shane Long, Danny Ings or Charlie Austin at home.
Give us a chance.
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Post by explorer on Dec 19, 2018 19:38:00 GMT 1
Can they please leave Shane Long, Danny Ings or Charlie Austin at home. Give us a chance. Jesus Christ, if you’re scared of Shane Long you’ve given up totally. Last 72 ( yes, seventy two) appearances he’s got 5 goals and 3 assists.
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Post by morleyterrier on Dec 19, 2018 19:44:21 GMT 1
Can they please leave Shane Long, Danny Ings or Charlie Austin at home. Give us a chance. Jesus Christ, if you’re scared of Shane Long you’ve given up totally. Last 72 ( yes, seventy two) appearances he’s got 5 goals and 3 assists. If he scores one goal he is 100% better than our Strikers. Has he scored this season?. Not sure.
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Post by explorer on Dec 19, 2018 21:59:11 GMT 1
Jesus Christ, if you’re scared of Shane Long you’ve given up totally. Last 72 ( yes, seventy two) appearances he’s got 5 goals and 3 assists. If he scores one goal he is 100% better than our Strikers. Has he scored this season?. Not sure. Last scored in beginning of April, before that in January. He’s got more yellow cards than goals or assists this season. Having said that, we do tend to be very generous when people have a barren run to end...
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Post by sussexnomad on Dec 19, 2018 22:06:24 GMT 1
1-1
Saints have turned a corner
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Dec 19, 2018 22:46:47 GMT 1
Need to go for it, two upfront
Mounie and Kache
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Dec 19, 2018 23:14:07 GMT 1
The only time I recall Town starting 2 strikers was against Liverpool at home last season - I honestly cannot recall one other time that we started with 2 strikers during Wagner's reign - So I will be stunned if it happens on Saturday.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2018 23:37:18 GMT 1
I dont want 2 strikers . I want 4 2 3 1 like the time stuffed Bournemouth, again the last time I remember Town playing it. Unfortunately I also realise we no longer have the players capable of playing that formation. So it will be same or very similar to Newcastle only with Mounie up front. Realistically the most we can hope for is sneak one early and hang on.
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Post by SaudiTerrier on Dec 19, 2018 23:44:53 GMT 1
1-1 Saints have turned a corner You have more faith than most Town fans if you believe we’ll score.
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Post by Doc Halladay 32 on Dec 19, 2018 23:50:21 GMT 1
I dont want 2 strikers . I want 4 2 3 1 like the time stuffed Bournemouth, again the last time I remember Town playing it. Unfortunately I also realise we no longer have the players capable of playing that formation. So it will be same or very similar to Newcastle only with Mounie up front. Realistically the most we can hope for is sneak one early and hang on. Are you sure the Bournemouth game was the last time we played 4-2-3-1 - I'm sure we used 4-2-3-1 exclusively for the next 9 games until the Man City away game in May. This was when Kongolo was switched from LB to make an extra centreback with Smith and Lowe on each side of them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2018 23:54:09 GMT 1
I dont want 2 strikers . I want 4 2 3 1 like the time stuffed Bournemouth, again the last time I remember Town playing it. Unfortunately I also realise we no longer have the players capable of playing that formation. So it will be same or very similar to Newcastle only with Mounie up front. Realistically the most we can hope for is sneak one early and hang on. Are you sure the Bournemouth game was the last time we played 4-2-3-1 - I'm sure we used 4-2-3-1 exclusively for the next 9 games until the Man City away game in May. This was when Kongolo was switched from LB to make an extra centreback with Smith and Lowe on each side of them. May have played 4 at the back for a while but didnt play 3 behind the striker.no nr 10.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2018 23:56:11 GMT 1
1-1 Saints have turned a corner You have more faith than most Town fans if you believe we’ll score. Have to score first to get 1 1. We have given up scoring when behind and in the second half at home. Im convinced it psycological with the plyers now.
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