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Post by El Mel on Dec 17, 2018 11:45:13 GMT 1
Shock news, miserable bastards Art and Mole in sack Wagner moan. Nothing is ever good for them. I suppose every team has them. If you'd read and understood my reply to tobby, you'd realise that what you've just stated there, is complete bollocks.
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Post by Farsley Terrier (UK product) on Dec 17, 2018 11:59:41 GMT 1
we have 1 win and two draws at home this season, the rest defeats.
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Post by El Mel on Dec 17, 2018 12:34:13 GMT 1
we have 1 win and two draws at home this season, the rest defeats. That's good enough for some folk doc. Stop moaning.
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Post by VLP Fan Club on Dec 17, 2018 12:46:27 GMT 1
Laurent Depoitre now with one goal in 36 appearances.
To add to the ever growing appalling stats.
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Dec 27, 2018 9:25:45 GMT 1
Lowest ever "goals for" total at this stage (half-way) of a Greedy League season. INCORRECT - see responses below and ignore this.
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Post by rothwellterrier on Dec 27, 2018 10:14:35 GMT 1
Lowest ever "goals for" total at this stage (half-way) of a Greedy League season. Lower than derbys 9 in 07/08? Whilst I'm not trying to say our total right now isn't pathetic and will see us relegated, just thought I'd point out, as Donald would say "fake news"
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Dec 27, 2018 10:42:10 GMT 1
Lowest ever "goals for" total at this stage (half-way) of a Greedy League season. Lower than derbys 9 in 07/08? Whilst I'm not trying to say our total right now isn't pathetic and will see us relegated, just thought I'd point out, as Donald would say "fake news" You're right - just checked. Derby had only scored nine after 19 games. Apologies. BUT, in my defence, I read this 'fact' yesterday either in the BBC report - which doesn't mention it now - or one of the online broadsheets. It definitely did say it and I just took it as gospel, expecting the source to have done their homework. Silly me.
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Post by rothwellterrier on Dec 27, 2018 11:10:31 GMT 1
Lower than derbys 9 in 07/08? Whilst I'm not trying to say our total right now isn't pathetic and will see us relegated, just thought I'd point out, as Donald would say "fake news" You're right - just checked. Derby had only scored nine after 19 games. Apologies. BUT, in my defence, I read this 'fact' yesterday either in the BBC report - which doesn't mention it now - or one of the online broadsheets. It definitely did say it and I just took it as gospel, expecting the source to have done their homework. Silly me. That's the modern media for you, fake news after fake news I had a quick scan through the premier league website and there have been several teams with less at this stage of the season. Obviously the majority have gone down but I think both West Ham and Everton had scored less and survived. I even noticed one season, Fulham had scored 14 and were around 8th spot
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Post by WirralTerrier on Dec 27, 2018 11:25:28 GMT 1
You're right - just checked. Derby had only scored nine after 19 games. Apologies. BUT, in my defence, I read this 'fact' yesterday either in the BBC report - which doesn't mention it now - or one of the online broadsheets. It definitely did say it and I just took it as gospel, expecting the source to have done their homework. Silly me. That's the modern media for you, fake news after fake news I had a quick scan through the premier league website and there have been several teams with less at this stage of the season. Obviously the majority have gone down but I think both West Ham and Everton had scored less and survived. I even noticed one season, Fulham had scored 14 and were around 8th spot Our goals scored stats are worse than last year and I think our 28 goals scored last year was in the top 5 of lowest goals scored in a season since the prem began. Only 2 of those teams worse than us stayed up I think. Not looking good for us again this year.
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Post by omegasupreme on Dec 27, 2018 11:38:48 GMT 1
The problem with changing formation is that our wingers are of a championship standard and won’t scare any premier league defence For me Wagner has 10 players available who can play at this level - lossl, Flo, loewe, kongolo, schindler, zanka, Hogg, billing, pritchard, mounie And those 10 names are debatable - it’s not even a full side. Not helped by vlp exile The rest of our squad are out of their depth - works in progress or simply not up to it Wagners hands are tied - he’s picking a formation that gets a competitive team out there It’s a shame he signed a load of shit in the summer really isn’t it.
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Post by omegasupreme on Dec 27, 2018 11:45:03 GMT 1
Think youre being very generous to include Flo and Mounie in that list. Flo- a wideman who can;t cross a ball, can't get past his man with pace, doesn;t have a trick to get past his man and is extremely weak defensively. The only good thing I can say about him is that he puts a shift in.. gets up and down the line and into what should be good positions if he had the ability to capitalise. . Mounie- dangerous from set pieces but couldn;t hit a barn door whilst sat on the latch in open play. 1 goal since February. Our summer transfer activity is killing us. Wagner has to shoulder the bulk of the blame for that. It was patently obvious we needed strengthening up front and he failed to do it, spending all our efforts on wingers who can;t now get a game. Such a shame because in every other aspect of the game, we are playing so much better than we did last season. But offensively we are terrible- the worst side in the division by a street. Flo has cost us so many goals this season and yet he keeps getting picked.. I am astounded by the support for Mounie - hes nowhere near good enough - 13m - another very poor signing.
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Post by omegasupreme on Dec 27, 2018 11:55:16 GMT 1
Champ, what's pissing me off is I don't think it should be like this. I want the swashbuckling Wagner and Town back. I don't want this overthinking, over complicating approach and tactics to matches. We were massive underdogs in the Championship, we are massive underdogs in the Premier League. Our approach with Wagner since he walked through the door was positive and we can and will beat whoever we play, regardless of budgets or reputations. I stil go back me to Tottenham at home last season as overall the match that changed our overall approach at this level. With some exceptions we haven't been the same since. That Spurs game was the first big thumping we had if I recall properly and since then we have very much opted for a defensive approach for most games especially against the big teams. It gets us absolutely nowhere and no worse off points wise than we would be if we just gave it a right good go. I look at teams around us like Southampton against Arsenal and I don't get annoyed that they won, I think good on them for having the guts to give it a good go and go down with a fight. There is no reason we can't do the same and a good coach will get our team scoring. And ironically - I enjoyed that game - we had a right good go at them and were unlucky not to go ahead. It was individual errors that gifted them a 0-2 lead. Still don’t get why we changed our philosophy since that game - bmouth lost 5-0 to spurs yesterday - will they start parking the bus from now on?
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Dec 28, 2018 9:32:27 GMT 1
On the Premier League site there’s a stats section - www.premierleague.com/stats/top/clubs/wins?se=It really lays bare how things would be if we had a good striker Compare Town and Brighton Town shots 218 v Brighton 172 ... we had 362 shots all last season so creating much more chances Shots on target Town 63 v Brighton 55 Hit woodwork Town 9 v Brighton 2 Clean sheets town 3 Brighton 3 Red cards town 2 Brighton 3 Tackles town 377 Brighton 347 Passes town 8163 Brighton 6747 Also delpoitre has had more shots already this year (26) than he did all last season (25) Mounié up to 30 shots for the season versus 49 all last year
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Post by aideybabes on Dec 28, 2018 9:44:55 GMT 1
Think youre being very generous to include Flo and Mounie in that list. Flo- a wideman who can;t cross a ball, can't get past his man with pace, doesn;t have a trick to get past his man and is extremely weak defensively. The only good thing I can say about him is that he puts a shift in.. gets up and down the line and into what should be good positions if he had the ability to capitalise. . Mounie- dangerous from set pieces but couldn;t hit a barn door whilst sat on the latch in open play. 1 goal since February. Our summer transfer activity is killing us. Wagner has to shoulder the bulk of the blame for that. It was patently obvious we needed strengthening up front and he failed to do it, spending all our efforts on wingers who can;t now get a game. Such a shame because in every other aspect of the game, we are playing so much better than we did last season. But offensively we are terrible- the worst side in the division by a street. I am astounded by the support for Mounie - hes nowhere near good enough - 13m - another very poor signing. For me, he’s shit.
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Post by terrierbite on Dec 28, 2018 10:03:36 GMT 1
Laurent Depoitre now with one goal in 36 appearances. To add to the ever growing appalling stats. Pity about LDP as he obviously puts in the effort ,he is either not good enough or has been pointed out the system played does not lend itself to scoring goals from outfield play ,scoring goals is more percentage based on dead ball situations ,by the time this happens all our offensive players are marked up ,this is shown by amount of goals scored by Zanka who would not attract the same marking in the box The way the team is set up relies on mega fitness to allow players to transition from midfield to penalty box on a consistent basis ,this was the case in the championship but for some reason we are not as fit in the Premier league or we are as |Wagner says too scared to risk ,something which I think is true but has been coached into the team Anyway onto Fulham ,wish we could have got Schurlle ,all the German links and he could not be persuaded
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Post by WirralTerrier on Dec 28, 2018 10:39:29 GMT 1
On the Premier League site there’s a stats section - www.premierleague.com/stats/top/clubs/wins?se=It really lays bare how things would be if we had a good striker Compare Town and Brighton Town shots 218 v Brighton 172 ... we had 362 shots all last season so creating much more chances Shots on target Town 63 v Brighton 55 Hit woodwork Town 9 v Brighton 2 Clean sheets town 3 Brighton 3 Red cards town 2 Brighton 3 Tackles town 377 Brighton 347 Passes town 8163 Brighton 6747 Also delpoitre has had more shots already this year (26) than he did all last season (25) Mounié up to 30 shots for the season versus 49 all last year Just using the shots stats is absolutely pointless. You can't base it on forming an opinion that it means we are creating more chances. We are shooting more yes BUT creating real chances no. Look at all the stats from the premier league website on big chances missed and other stats on expected goals scored. We are bottom of the league on those stats compared to every other team. AND if you compare this year to last we are worse on those stats too. So in reality we are shooting more but not creating as many real goalscoring chances as we did last year. It needs much more than just a striker. The formation, the mentality, the amount of attacking talent on the pitch in forward areas all needs to change too.
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Dec 28, 2018 10:43:55 GMT 1
On the Premier League site there’s a stats section - www.premierleague.com/stats/top/clubs/wins?se=It really lays bare how things would be if we had a good striker Compare Town and Brighton Town shots 218 v Brighton 172 ... we had 362 shots all last season so creating much more chances Shots on target Town 63 v Brighton 55 Hit woodwork Town 9 v Brighton 2 Clean sheets town 3 Brighton 3 Red cards town 2 Brighton 3 Tackles town 377 Brighton 347 Passes town 8163 Brighton 6747 Also delpoitre has had more shots already this year (26) than he did all last season (25) Mounié up to 30 shots for the season versus 49 all last year Just using the shots stats is absolutely pointless. You can't base it on forming an opinion that it means we are creating more chances. We are shooting more yes BUT creating real chances no. Look at all the stats from the premier league website on big chances missed and other stats on expected goals scored. We are bottom of the league on those stats compared to every other team. AND if you compare this year to last we are worse on those stats too. So in reality we are shooting more but not creating as many real goalscoring chances as we did last year. It needs much more than just a striker. The formation, the mentality, the amount of attacking talent on the pitch in forward areas all needs to change too. Also applies to the 'passing' stats - we do most of those in our own half. I'll bet that Lossl has had more touches than most keepers - and I don't mean through picking the ball out of his net!
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Dec 28, 2018 10:47:27 GMT 1
On the Premier League site there’s a stats section - www.premierleague.com/stats/top/clubs/wins?se=It really lays bare how things would be if we had a good striker Compare Town and Brighton Town shots 218 v Brighton 172 ... we had 362 shots all last season so creating much more chances Shots on target Town 63 v Brighton 55 Hit woodwork Town 9 v Brighton 2 Clean sheets town 3 Brighton 3 Red cards town 2 Brighton 3 Tackles town 377 Brighton 347 Passes town 8163 Brighton 6747 Also delpoitre has had more shots already this year (26) than he did all last season (25) Mounié up to 30 shots for the season versus 49 all last year Just using the shots stats is absolutely pointless. You can't base it on forming an opinion that it means we are creating more chances. We are shooting more yes BUT creating real chances no. Look at all the stats from the premier league website on big chances missed and other stats on expected goals scored. We are bottom of the league on those stats compared to every other team. AND if you compare this year to last we are worse on those stats too. So in reality we are shooting more but not creating as many real goalscoring chances as we did last year. It needs much more than just a striker. The formation, the mentality, the amount of attacking talent on the pitch in forward areas all needs to change too. You’re right on shots being potentially misleading but I do think we have missed some very scoreable chances in pretty much every game - a criticism often is that we don’t shoot from out of the box Scoreable chances missed is surely subjective on what is a chance. The count is 10 which is nonsesence to me, Mounie alone must be near 10 scoreable chances IMO
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Post by detox on Dec 28, 2018 10:51:50 GMT 1
A good stat I see from time to time is the end of game pitch map which shows where players spent most of the game...ours, as you expect shows 10 men in our own half and one about 5 yards in the opponents half...That's over 90+ minutes... I'd like to see this again but aggregated for the season so far...
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Post by WirralTerrier on Dec 28, 2018 10:56:27 GMT 1
Just using the shots stats is absolutely pointless. You can't base it on forming an opinion that it means we are creating more chances. We are shooting more yes BUT creating real chances no. Look at all the stats from the premier league website on big chances missed and other stats on expected goals scored. We are bottom of the league on those stats compared to every other team. AND if you compare this year to last we are worse on those stats too. So in reality we are shooting more but not creating as many real goalscoring chances as we did last year. It needs much more than just a striker. The formation, the mentality, the amount of attacking talent on the pitch in forward areas all needs to change too. You’re right on shots being potentially misleading but I do think we have missed some very scoreable chances in pretty much every game - a criticism often is that we don’t shoot from out of the box Scoreable chances missed is surely subjective on what is a chance. The count is 10 which is nonsesence to me, Mounie alone must be near 10 scoreable chances IMO It's more evidenced based than say you saying mounie has missed 10 scorable chances. The expected goals stats is a much more usable stat in analysing how well a team is performing in creating real goalscoring chances. We are garbage on that stat and worse than last year. From memory I can only think of 4 chances that mounie should have scored, the majority have been half chances. People forget all other teams have had a heck of a lot of very good chances too and missed them, and they've had a lot more of them than us.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Dec 28, 2018 11:04:52 GMT 1
You’re right on shots being potentially misleading but I do think we have missed some very scoreable chances in pretty much every game - a criticism often is that we don’t shoot from out of the box Scoreable chances missed is surely subjective on what is a chance. The count is 10 which is nonsesence to me, Mounie alone must be near 10 scoreable chances IMO It's more evidenced based than say you saying mounie has missed 10 scorable chances. The expected goals stats is a much more usable stat in analysing how well a team is performing in creating real goalscoring chances. We are garbage on that stat and worse than last year. From memory I can only think of 4 chances that mounie should have scored, the majority have been half chances. People forget all other teams have had a heck of a lot of very good chances too and missed them, and they've had a lot more of them than us. Honestly I think that expected goal stuff is utter garbage Heat map stuff quite useful though
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2018 11:17:30 GMT 1
You’re right on shots being potentially misleading but I do think we have missed some very scoreable chances in pretty much every game - a criticism often is that we don’t shoot from out of the box Scoreable chances missed is surely subjective on what is a chance. The count is 10 which is nonsesence to me, Mounie alone must be near 10 scoreable chances IMO It's more evidenced based than say you saying mounie has missed 10 scorable chances. The expected goals stats is a much more usable stat in analysing how well a team is performing in creating real goalscoring chances. We are garbage on that stat and worse than last year.From memory I can only think of 4 chances that mounie should have scored, the majority have been half chances. People forget all other teams have had a heck of a lot of very good chances too and missed them, and they've had a lot more of them than us. I said the same at the weekend, we just don't create enough real chances from open play and are very reliant on set pieces. If you look at our 12 premier league goals this season, over half have come either directly from setpieces (corners, free kicks, long throws), or from a cross following a set piece where all our defenders are still in the box. 2 goals have come following errors from the opposition (West Ham and Brighton), and Billing's shot against Southampton should really have been saved. It's only really Mooy's first against Wolves where we have created something through open play. It's not really good enough and also isn't something that is likely to be remedied just by adding new strikers.
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Post by WirralTerrier on Dec 28, 2018 11:20:05 GMT 1
It's more evidenced based than say you saying mounie has missed 10 scorable chances. The expected goals stats is a much more usable stat in analysing how well a team is performing in creating real goalscoring chances. We are garbage on that stat and worse than last year. From memory I can only think of 4 chances that mounie should have scored, the majority have been half chances. People forget all other teams have had a heck of a lot of very good chances too and missed them, and they've had a lot more of them than us. Honestly I think that expected goal stuff is utter garbage Heat map stuff quite useful though I'm not a huge fan of it but it definitely gives a more accurate representation of analysing chances on goal rather then purely looking at shots or shots on target.
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Post by tockyterrier on Dec 28, 2018 13:30:22 GMT 1
Laurent Depoitre now with one goal in 36 appearances. To add to the ever growing appalling stats. Pity about LDP as he obviously puts in the effort ,he is either not good enough or has been pointed out the system played does not lend itself to scoring goals from outfield play ,scoring goals is more percentage based on dead ball situations ,by the time this happens all our offensive players are marked up ,this is shown by amount of goals scored by Zanka who would not attract the same marking in the box The way the team is set up relies on mega fitness to allow players to transition from midfield to penalty box on a consistent basis ,this was the case in the championship but for some reason we are not as fit in the Premier league or we are as |Wagner says too scared to risk ,something which I think is true but has been coached into the team Anyway onto Fulham ,wish we could have got Schurlle ,all the German links and he could not be persuaded Don't think it is that we are not as fit, but we are playing teams that are even fitter & better.
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Post by sudbury on Dec 28, 2018 18:16:43 GMT 1
Flo failed to close Pogba down - just stood and watched whilst P lined up the shot - then he turned his back. Pathetic defending!
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Feb 14, 2019 9:37:49 GMT 1
And... Here's another fun fact. We have had four games moved to different days for TV (2 wins). We have also played four 'normal' midweek League games and one Carabao Cup (0 wins). The one FAC game we lost was played on a Saturday (amazingly). This season Town have not won any game played on a Saturday (19 games, 0 wins)The unwanted records for this season just keep piling up. Edit: corrected to include the EFL Cup game.
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Post by digs on Feb 14, 2019 9:46:20 GMT 1
And... Here's another fun fact. This season Town have yet to win any game played on a Saturday (19 out of 27 games played)
We have had four games moved to different days for TV (and therein lie our only two wins so far.) We have also played four 'normal' midweek games. The FAC game we lost was also played - amazingly - on a Saturday. So many unwanted records piling up this season. that fun fact has cheered me up
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Post by Stewpot on Feb 14, 2019 10:31:14 GMT 1
And... Here's another fun fact. We have had four games moved to different days for TV (2 wins). We have also played four 'normal' midweek League games and one Carabao Cup (0 wins). The one FAC game we lost was played on a Saturday (amazingly). This season Town have not won any game played on a Saturday (19 games, 0 wins)The unwanted records for this season just keep piling up. Edit: corrected to include the EFL Cup game.Yes but to be fair we have a 100% win record in the Premier League for any match played on Bonfire Night!
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Post by benhomly on Feb 14, 2019 11:30:27 GMT 1
And... Here's another fun fact. We have had four games moved to different days for TV (2 wins). We have also played four 'normal' midweek League games and one Carabao Cup (0 wins). The one FAC game we lost was played on a Saturday (amazingly). This season Town have not won any game played on a Saturday (19 games, 0 wins)The unwanted records for this season just keep piling up. Edit: corrected to include the EFL Cup game.It's like the bloody soap awards this thread, inventing records for the sake of it. The ones that really matter and that anyone will remember or quote are - Fewest points - we're already level with that and will surely exceed it Fewest home points - only 2 away and i'm sure we'll exceed that Fewest away points - already beaten Fewest wins - already beaten Fewest home wins - already level and surely we'll get 1 more Fewest away wins - already beaten Most defeats - need to lose 11 of our last 12 games, surely we won't do that Fewest goals - need another 7 - might be in danger of that one So of the records that matter or anyone cares about I think we'll be fine. Who gives a shit if we've conceded the most goals in the first 17 minutes of a game, or we've not won a game on a Saturday with a 3pm kick off time, or we've lost every away game where the temperature has been less that 5 degrees Celsius... You get my point. Some people just seem to want to make us look even worse than is necessary.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2019 11:49:03 GMT 1
I can think of another shocking stat - the number of blatant pens turned down, home and away
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