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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Dec 16, 2018 16:04:10 GMT 1
Following on from the dreadful 'crossing' stat of yesterday, I have been encouraged to confirm this one. Look away now - you have been warned. In the second half of last season Town scored just six goals at home: 1-4 West Ham, Bournemouth 4-1 and Watford 1-0. With one home game remaining before New Year, they have scored just three goals this season: Fulham 1-0, West Ham 1-1 and BHA 1-2. In the 2018 calendar year Town have managed to score just nine goals at home - and two of those have been own goals. I do not know of any record as poor from any other club. It's a truly embarrassing statistic.   |
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Post by teddytheterrier on Dec 16, 2018 16:05:41 GMT 1
And 4 of those goals came in 1 game mate.
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Post by Bassingham Terrier on Dec 16, 2018 16:06:48 GMT 1
And 4 of those goals came in 1 game mate. Indeed they did, as I pointed out. |
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Dec 16, 2018 16:06:49 GMT 1
Awful stats abound.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Dec 16, 2018 16:07:18 GMT 1
And 4 of those goals came in 1 game mate. Indeed they did, as I pointed out. Shocking isn't it. |
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Post by impact on Dec 16, 2018 16:07:54 GMT 1
We could score the fewest goals in the league and I wouldn't care if we stayed up.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Dec 16, 2018 16:08:34 GMT 1
We won't be staying up this season. Got away with it last year.
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Post by El Mel on Dec 16, 2018 16:10:10 GMT 1
I think the 'untouchability' of Wagner is nearing it's end. He simply has to do something soon to get us scoring more goals, because the stats you have supplied Roger just further evidence what every town fan can see, we are absolute bobbins infront of goal.
Even if we go down, I wouldn't fancy Wagner to have us scoring that many, despite the players we should be able to retain.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Dec 16, 2018 16:12:06 GMT 1
That'll explain the 2 wins in 20 home games
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Post by teddytheterrier on Dec 16, 2018 16:17:11 GMT 1
Thing with Wagner he gets a result when he absolutely desperately needs it, Fulham at home for example. There is so much pressure on us now to beat Southampton. Don't be surprised to see us nick it 1-0 with a scrappy goal. If we don't beat Southampton we are done for.
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Dec 16, 2018 16:19:51 GMT 1
I think the 'untouchability' of Wagner is nearing it's end. He simply has to do something soon to get us scoring more goals, because the stats you have supplied Roger just further evidence what every town fan can see, we are absolute bobbins infront of goal. Even if we go down, I wouldn't fancy Wagner to have us scoring that many, despite the players we should be able to retain. Anywhere else and he would have been sacked. Said it earlier, he reminds me of Wenger towards the end of his reign, just avoiding the blindingly obvious and talking in clichés, burying his head in the sand. |
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Post by detox on Dec 16, 2018 16:37:49 GMT 1
I think the solution is for us to play with 15 players...we have so many defenders on the pitch it leaves little room for attacking players...so 15 men would allow us 2 wingers and 2 more strikers....bloody obvious really isn't it...surprised no one has mentioned it before..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2018 16:37:58 GMT 1
Under Wagner from the start of the 16/17 season our goal record is:
For 97 from 104 games (0.93 per match)
Against 144 (1.38 per match)
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For 38 from 55 (0.69 per match) Amazingly, 14 of these came in 4 matches, otherwise it would read 24 from 51 @ 0.47 goals per match.
Against 86 (1.56 per match)
Hard to see how we change such a deep-rooted problem in the next 5 months.
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Post by H7 on Dec 16, 2018 16:41:00 GMT 1
That truly is abysmal. Hard to see how such a prolonged problem can be rectified. A change in formation and tactics is a start.
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Post by El Mel on Dec 16, 2018 16:48:34 GMT 1
Under Wagner from the start of the 16/17 season our goal record is: For 97 from 104 games (0.93 per match) Against 144 (1.38 per match) PL only: For 38 from 55 (0.69 per match) Amazingly, 14 of these came in 4 matches, otherwise it would read 24 from 51 @ 0.47 goals per match. Against 86 (1.56 per match) Hard to see how we change such a deep-rooted problem in the next 5 months.You change the bloke that's at the root of the deep rooted problem. As I've said elsewhere, there really is no point now though as I think this season will prove to be too bigger challenge for the club regardless. |
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Post by turbo2 on Dec 16, 2018 16:50:15 GMT 1
That truly is abysmal. Hard to see how such a prolonged problem can be rectified. A change in formation and tactics is a start. A change in formation is a must at home. Got to get more goal threat and attacking players on the pitch |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Dec 16, 2018 16:51:02 GMT 1
The problem with changing formation is that our wingers are of a championship standard and won’t scare any premier league defence
For me Wagner has 10 players available who can play at this level - lossl, Flo, loewe, kongolo, schindler, zanka, Hogg, billing, pritchard, mounie
And those 10 names are debatable - it’s not even a full side. Not helped by vlp exile
The rest of our squad are out of their depth - works in progress or simply not up to it
Wagners hands are tied - he’s picking a formation that gets a competitive team out there
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Post by Made In Yorkshire on Dec 16, 2018 16:56:19 GMT 1
The problem with changing formation is that our wingers are of a championship standard and won’t scare any premier league defence For me Wagner has 10 players available who can play at this level - lossl, Flo, loewe, kongolo, schindler, zanka, Hogg, billing, pritchard, mounie And those 10 names are debatable - it’s not even a full side. Not helped by vlp exile The rest of our squad are out of their depth - works in progress or simply not up to it Wagners hands are tied - he’s picking a formation that gets a competitive team out there Not entirely tied though as he has overseen players being brought in. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2018 16:57:51 GMT 1
That truly is abysmal. Hard to see how such a prolonged problem can be rectified. A change in formation and tactics is a start. THEIR IS AN OBVIOUS SOLUTION. FOR Hoyle to have the bottle to sack Wagner and bring in a manager who knows how to make us successful in attack, rather than keep repeating the same failed tactics, like trying to cross too often, which has been b obvious, for ages, it is unsuccessful, because it has, so rarely, proved a success, yet Wagner, wanted us to mainly concentrate on that again, yesterday, as he said in his interview, on htafc.com, after the Newcastle game. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Dec 16, 2018 16:58:10 GMT 1
The problem with changing formation is that our wingers are of a championship standard and won’t scare any premier league defence For me Wagner has 10 players available who can play at this level - lossl, Flo, loewe, kongolo, schindler, zanka, Hogg, billing, pritchard, mounie And those 10 names are debatable - it’s not even a full side. Not helped by vlp exile The rest of our squad are out of their depth - works in progress or simply not up to it Wagners hands are tied - he’s picking a formation that gets a competitive team out there Not entirely tied though as he has overseen players being brought in. Debatable for me I think the DOF has a bigger say personally in shortlisting targets while Wagner does the coaching rather than globe trotting scouting dozens of players |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2018 17:00:59 GMT 1
Our number of goals scored this season (so far) is the lowest in all four Divisions.......truly woeful.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2018 17:02:27 GMT 1
Under Wagner from the start of the 16/17 season our goal record is: For 97 from 104 games (0.93 per match) Against 144 (1.38 per match) PL only: For 38 from 55 (0.69 per match) Amazingly, 14 of these came in 4 matches, otherwise it would read 24 from 51 @ 0.47 goals per match. Against 86 (1.56 per match) Hard to see how we change such a deep-rooted problem in the next 5 months.You change the bloke that's at the root of the deep rooted problem. As I've said elsewhere, there really is no point now though as I think this season will prove to be too bigger challenge for the club regardless. He's got to be going round to Klopps's over xmas. Surely they'll chat about football and Jurgen might hammer home the virtues of a fast front 3. |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Dec 16, 2018 17:04:07 GMT 1
You change the bloke that's at the root of the deep rooted problem. As I've said elsewhere, there really is no point now though as I think this season will prove to be too bigger challenge for the club regardless. He's got to be going round to Klopps's over xmas. Surely they'll chat about football and Jurgen might hammer home the virtues of a fast front 3. We have a very fast pair of wingers - diakhaby and mbenza - but they’re not up the standard required |
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Post by El Mel on Dec 16, 2018 17:04:37 GMT 1
You change the bloke that's at the root of the deep rooted problem. As I've said elsewhere, there really is no point now though as I think this season will prove to be too bigger challenge for the club regardless. He's got to be going round to Klopps's over xmas. Surely they'll chat about football and Jurgen might hammer home the virtues of a fast front 3. Ha ha. I hope so, be nice to put up a bit of a fight over the remainder of the season. |
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Post by turbo2 on Dec 16, 2018 17:05:18 GMT 1
The problem with changing formation is that our wingers are of a championship standard and won’t scare any premier league defence For me Wagner has 10 players available who can play at this level - lossl, Flo, loewe, kongolo, schindler, zanka, Hogg, billing, pritchard, mounie And those 10 names are debatable - it’s not even a full side. Not helped by vlp exile The rest of our squad are out of their depth - works in progress or simply not up to it Wagners hands are tied - he’s picking a formation that gets a competitive team out there Fair point. But if we don’t change formation then we put up with narrow defeats every week Newcastle were awful. For me the worst side down here this season but put five passes together and they scored. It’s the same every week at the moment I’d rather see a change to get some more attacking options on the pitch. I’d also like us to change to a shoot on sight policy. Fed up of players passing silly little balls instead of pushing it forward a yard and hitting the chuffing thing. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2018 17:09:50 GMT 1
The problem with changing formation is that our wingers are of a championship standard and won’t scare any premier league defence For me Wagner has 10 players available who can play at this level - lossl, Flo, loewe, kongolo, schindler, zanka, Hogg, billing, pritchard, mounie And those 10 names are debatable - it’s not even a full side. Not helped by vlp exile The rest of our squad are out of their depth - works in progress or simply not up to it Wagners hands are tied - he’s picking a formation that gets a competitive team out there True. Could do with a better squad, but there is no excuse for keeping repeating the same errors, like mainly focussing on crossing, which has proven so unsuccessful, that Wagner wanted us to mainly concentrate on Again yesterday and no excuse for not varying our attacking tactics abd making obvious improvements I've talked about so often before since Nov 2017 but spotted them Sept 2017 that I've said yet again about how we can change to improve our Attacking tactics in my thread earlier. |
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Post by pjr43 on Dec 16, 2018 17:35:45 GMT 1
For me Wagner has 10 players available who can play at this level - lossl, Flo, loewe, kongolo, schindler, zanka, Hogg, billing, pritchard, mounie Durm? I guess you mean available for the next match and omitted Mooy and included Mounie for that reason? |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Dec 16, 2018 17:37:44 GMT 1
For me Wagner has 10 players available who can play at this level - lossl, Flo, loewe, kongolo, schindler, zanka, Hogg, billing, pritchard, mounie Durm? I guess you mean available for the next match and omitted Mooy and included Mounie for that reason? Yeah as in who he can select for the next game |
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Post by pjr43 on Dec 16, 2018 17:40:17 GMT 1
Yeah as in who he can select for the next game Is Durm out or do you just not rate him? |
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Dec 16, 2018 17:50:03 GMT 1
Yeah as in who he can select for the next game Is Durm out or do you just not rate him? I forgot about him to be honest - agree he’s decent Still gives 11 players Just think our personnel dictate the formation |
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