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Post by impact on Jan 20, 2019 19:26:58 GMT 1
Just seen the 1st goal back. After it, Hogg has Mbenza and Lowe and is sorting out who needs to go where with them.
That screams leadership to me.
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Post by derekoconnor on Jan 20, 2019 19:27:04 GMT 1
Port vale
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Post by htfcfcfc on Jan 20, 2019 19:34:30 GMT 1
Just seen the 1st goal back. After it, Hogg has Mbenza and Lowe and is sorting out who needs to go where with them. That screams leadership to me. Agree. I saw it as ironing out a problem. Not a bollocking
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Post by ritchie on Jan 20, 2019 19:42:10 GMT 1
A player who is considered one of our most "limited" technically, yet has been in the top 3 performers of the last 2/3 years (a large aspect of which is down to his character) yet someone should "have a word" with him
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on Jan 20, 2019 19:52:52 GMT 1
A player who is considered one of our most "limited" technically, yet has been in the top 3 performers of the last 2/3 years (a large aspect of which is down to his character) yet someone should "have a word" with him Where have I said anything about his performances? He has been consistently one of our best players for a long time now I'm talking about how he reacts throughout a game to others mistakes. It isn't just after goals. Maybe he just gets caught up in the heat of the moment and apologises afterwards but I can 100% guarantee it isn't doing anything benefical for the player who made the mistake to then have another player screaming at him about it.
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Post by ritchie on Jan 20, 2019 20:03:41 GMT 1
A player who is considered one of our most "limited" technically, yet has been in the top 3 performers of the last 2/3 years (a large aspect of which is down to his character) yet someone should "have a word" with him Where have I said anything about his performances? He has been consistently one of our best players for a long time now I'm talking about how he reacts throughout a game to others mistakes. It isn't just after goals. Maybe he just gets caught up in the heat of the moment and apologises afterwards but I can 100% guarantee it isn't doing anything benefical for the player who made the mistake to then have another player screaming at him about it. Did you ignore the bit in brackets?
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Post by Headless Chicken on Jan 20, 2019 20:37:23 GMT 1
Three words and you still fucked it up.
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Post by aideybabes on Jan 20, 2019 20:44:32 GMT 1
Passion and leadership from Hogg.
Pity more of our lot don't have the same ethos.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Jan 21, 2019 11:40:49 GMT 1
He's am absolute warrior. My favourite town player from this current squad. I've always liked him since robin's signed him ever tho he was scapegoated for most of his early town career.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Jan 21, 2019 11:44:14 GMT 1
And tbf to Smith he's had sod all game time. He ain't a world beater at this level but id play him over Flo for rest of the season. I wouldn't play Flo again he's weak as piss. Usually chucks himself on the floor and the oppo score whilst he's play acting.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 21, 2019 12:02:22 GMT 1
Hes the leader on the pitch. Smith might wear the armband but Hogg is the captain. He sets the standard in terms of application and effort. Yes he dishes out bollockings and so he should. Shame we don;t have more willing to do that. Roy Keane was the same in Man Utd glory years.
When he first came here his passing could be suicidal at times. Over time hes cut almost all that out and he now rarely gives the ball away at all, but guess mud sticks and he still gets called out for it.
He was superb yesterday. The effort, the ground covered, the number of times he broke up their play, his use of the ball after hed won it. Our best player on the day by a country mile.
Hogg being out would be every bit as big a miss as Mooy being out.
And Smith had a decent game. Didn't see anything he needs criticising for in particular over anyone else. Miles better full back than Flo thats for certain.
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Jan 21, 2019 12:11:27 GMT 1
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Post by htfcsince70 on Jan 21, 2019 12:11:27 GMT 1
If our new signings and Flo had a fraction of the desire, passion and determination of Hogg then they might just make players. Hard work will always beat talent when talent doesn't work very hard! That said I'm not sure how much actual talent our signings, apart from Kongolo and perhaps Durm, have in the first place!
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Post by Terry Jacko on Jan 21, 2019 12:55:10 GMT 1
A big Hogg tackle is nearly as good as a goal for me! Hopefully the fact he is 31 this year would put off other clubs but I could see Dyche being a big fan. His stats for what you want from his position will be very impressive.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Jan 21, 2019 13:05:08 GMT 1
Flo has been responsible for a lot of the goals we've conceded, I thought he was absolutely pathetic at old trafford against Manchester United, not closing pogba down and getting out of the way of his shots. Should be chucking everything at the ball. He was equally as poor against Burnley.
Most of the goals we've conceded this season have come from players fucking up at the back or bad officiating. Whenever we make a mistake in this division we are immediately punished.
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Post by teddytheterrier on Jan 21, 2019 13:09:26 GMT 1
Hogg would be POTS for me, only time he's let us down this season was Cardiff at home imo.
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Post by CaptainHart on Jan 21, 2019 13:42:43 GMT 1
A big Hogg tackle is nearly as good as a goal for me! Hopefully the fact he is 31 this year would put off other clubs but I could see Dyche being a big fan. His stats for what you want from his position will be very impressive. On MotD2 after the Wolves game all the talk was about Mooy and Billing then they put up Hogg's stats; he was first in distance covered, tackles, interceptions and passes made.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 13:52:15 GMT 1
Hogg, though not signed by him was a Wagner player. A Wagner disciple. The consistent slackness and shitness of some/a lot of his colleagues on the pitch cost the players their leader (alongside overly negative selections). Hogg was clearly feeling the fury yesterday. Unfortunately, not enough of the the other players have cared that much this year.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 13:54:25 GMT 1
A big Hogg tackle is nearly as good as a goal for me! Hopefully the fact he is 31 this year would put off other clubs but I could see Dyche being a big fan. His stats for what you want from his position will be very impressive. On MotD2 after the Wolves game all the talk was about Mooy and Billing then they put up Hogg's stats; he was first in distance covered, tackles, interceptions and passes made. I’d be very surprised if Hogg went there, or anywhere. Can see him finishing his season at Town now. Dean will look after him. He’s earned another good contract. He’ll fancy leading another promotion charge next season. If we buy someone who can finish and keep most of the squad, we will be contenders next year no question.
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Post by H7 on Jan 21, 2019 13:56:08 GMT 1
Some of them deserved a bollocking to be fair. Noting wrong with that from senior leaders in the team. They need to grow up and be more accountable some of our players... this is a standard thing in football...nothing to see hereTotally agree. This is the absolute pinnacle, elite level of professional football. You will see serious Sunday league teams giving each other bollockings its just what happens.
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Post by hd7terrier on Jan 21, 2019 14:20:36 GMT 1
IMO Hogg is our most important player not our best but definitely the most important.
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Post by In sooth- - on Jan 21, 2019 14:58:32 GMT 1
I agree.
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Post by Sugy , Paignton Devon Terrier on Jan 21, 2019 17:02:37 GMT 1
Passion and leadership from Hogg. Pity more of our lot don't have the same ethos. To be and remain up there with the best players also need to be intelligent which mainly comes under that of common sense
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jan 21, 2019 17:28:43 GMT 1
Hes the leader on the pitch. Smith might wear the armband but Hogg is the captain. He sets the standard in terms of application and effort. Yes he dishes out bollockings and so he should. Shame we don;t have more willing to do that. Roy Keane was the same in Man Utd glory years. When he first came here his passing could be suicidal at times. Over time hes cut almost all that out and he now rarely gives the ball away at all, but guess mud sticks and he still gets called out for it. He was superb yesterday. The effort, the ground covered, the number of times he broke up their play, his use of the ball after hed won it. Our best player on the day by a country mile. Hogg being out would be every bit as big a miss as Mooy being out. And Smith had a decent game. Didn't see anything he needs criticising for in particular over anyone else. Miles better full back than Flo thats for certain. Hogg put the work in, he also played passes to someone in a town shirt.. that is his job.. we often see a very 'talented' midfielder run a game, its not Hogg, there is a job for him and he did it splendidly on sunday.. Smith is a full back first, probably best to play his type of 'defender' when playing city, liverpool etc etc.. I thought he did ok given his recent game time.. forget what all the billy bullshit 'experts' say about sunday.. one deflection, one offside and one we gave them.. in shit decisions we lost 1-2 overall... the penalty versus the offside and the obvious red card for walker.. not even mentioning the 2 maybe 3 dives by de bruyne and sterling that did not get a card???(is simulation only an offence in the box??) an 'offside' is not an opinion a penalty is and the only factual decision went for them... city had players booked and we had chances before the end(say again seeing out the game does not include giving the opposition 3 decent opportunities).. if their defence and keeper are not bothered about conceding they are playing in the wrong team and for the wrong manager/coach.. because nobody cares other than the result for city, dont let them fool you about the game itself over 90 minutes.. players just going through the 'motions' dont chelp at the ref continually or fake injury twice when we were 'on top' and they dont make ludicrous and bad challenges.. city always have periods of 'walking through' the game, they do it against everyone.. because they did not thrash us or pen us in and have chance after chance has something to do with us, they beat us 6-1 last time and they played pretty much the same..
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Post by hypotenuse on Jan 21, 2019 17:53:45 GMT 1
Interesting to see Pritchard give Lössl a bollocking after a very poor clearance led to a chance for City to score a 4th.
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Post by sykeylad on Jan 21, 2019 21:24:42 GMT 1
For me this is a cultural issue in football, possibly especially in Britain and maybe why we are usually pretty shit at National level.
Leaders need to encourage and get the best out of players by helping them do what needs to be done. Once a mistake has happened it has gone, no point in just ranting on to someone and making them feel worse. How would that help any of us at work?
To be honest I agree here that Hogg whilst playing great looks like he could improve how he supports his team mates.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Jan 21, 2019 22:10:48 GMT 1
For me this is a cultural issue in football, possibly especially in Britain and maybe why we are usually pretty shit at National level. Leaders need to encourage and get the best out of players by helping them do what needs to be done. Once a mistake has happened it has gone, no point in just ranting on to someone and making them feel worse. How would that help any of us at work? To be honest I agree here that Hogg whilst playing great looks like he could improve how he supports his team mates. the 'state' of our season so far might reflect in his reaction to daft goals being given away?? if you run your arse off and someone does not make a 20 yard run to mark someone or to stay with their man it probably gets a bit hard to hold your tongue? if you instruct and encourage and lead by example and the same mistakes are made around you time after time its going to get to you, eventually? its not wether you lose, its how you lose and our 'fall' has been coming for a while.. watching the Germans fall out to some tune over the past year or so means we are not alone...
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 22, 2019 0:51:43 GMT 1
Maybe its the modern way todays footballers respond to?
Rather than giving them a bollocking on the lines of " What the Fuck was that!!! Concentrate for fucks sake you lazy fuck!!", maybe Hoggy should go over and put his arm around his team mate. Talk about where his emotions were at the moment he couldn;t be bothered to track that runner. Gently blow on his face to wash away the negative memories of his mistake. Perhaps light some candles and join together in some quiet meditation.
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Post by willo on Jan 22, 2019 0:59:21 GMT 1
For me this is a cultural issue in football, possibly especially in Britain and maybe why we are usually pretty shit at National level. Leaders need to encourage and get the best out of players by helping them do what needs to be done. Once a mistake has happened it has gone, no point in just ranting on to someone and making them feel worse. How would that help any of us at work? To be honest I agree here that Hogg whilst playing great looks like he could improve how he supports his team mates. Whilst I would tend to agree with you in general on this, the odd bollocking on the field from a more experienced player when things aren’t going well wouldn’t go amiss. We all need a rocket up our backsides from the boss once in a while. Circumstances off the field probably contributed to this yesterday but it’s something I want to see from our players, some would call it passion.
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Post by bacuna on Jan 22, 2019 1:13:33 GMT 1
For me this is a cultural issue in football, possibly especially in Britain and maybe why we are usually pretty shit at National level. Leaders need to encourage and get the best out of players by helping them do what needs to be done. Once a mistake has happened it has gone, no point in just ranting on to someone and making them feel worse. How would that help any of us at work? To be honest I agree here that Hogg whilst playing great looks like he could improve how he supports his team mates. the 'state' of our season so far might reflect in his reaction to daft goals being given away?? if you run your arse off and someone does not make a 20 yard run to mark someone or to stay with their man it probably gets a bit hard to hold your tongue? if you instruct and encourage and lead by example and the same mistakes are made around you time after time its going to get to you, eventually? its not wether you lose, its how you lose and our 'fall' has been coming for a while.. watching the Germans fall out to some tune over the past year or so means we are not alone... That's fair enough, but he's not bollocking players for failing to move forward with pace or take an opportunity for a good through ball, and that's been a muchbigger problem than occasional defensive errors. Not saying our total lack of creativity is on him, but it's one more incentive the wrong way.
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Post by est1908 on Jan 22, 2019 1:21:45 GMT 1
Interesting to see Pritchard give Lössl a bollocking after a very poor clearance led to a chance for City to score a 4th. Lossl is way too slow at playing it forward. If he has the ball in hand, he lies on the floor for a minute. Stand up quick and distribute for fucks sake... Edit: Before the other fuckers get back and be prepared to defend...... Obvious exception is LDP against Man U, those were the days..
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