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Post by Frankiesleftpeg on Jan 30, 2019 11:49:35 GMT 1
Siewert has said that he doesn't want horizontal (sideways) passing in his game (see training video last week). Its going to take time to get this through to a bunch of players who have been playing it sideways and backwards for the best part of 3 years. I find it incredible that some folk on here are already judging a bloke after seven days of working with what is basically a shower of shit. Not judging him, but he can't have made it clear enough not to pass backwards as we seemed to do it more than before if anything. Let's see what Chelsea brings now he has seen first hand how they have interpreted his instructions. When Wagner came In was like the transformation we saw in Southampton but without the results... I had hoped to see "abit" more after 4 days in Portugal. It seems more of the same so far. When Wagner came in he looked to change the style straight away but there were some pretty shit performances as well and we finished 19th in the league. What he recognised was that the players he inherited weren't good enough and he signed a load of new players in the summer of 2016. Siewert will need time to get his ideas across and may ultimately decide that what we've got isn't good enough even for the Championship. We have to accept that we're going down now and let Siewert get on with experimenting and getting his ideas across. As for the Portugal trip, I'd ban all warm weather training camps indefinitely as EVERY single time we've been on one, we've come back in a worse state. A week's hiking in the Cairngorms would more fitting for this lot (without gloves).
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Post by Bojaj Horseman on Jan 30, 2019 12:09:43 GMT 1
Jesus fucking christ, its bad on here this morning!! The guys had just over a week with a team that's not his, he's had one game - which in my opinion was no worse than some performances this season, his way of playing is clearly different to Wagner's. We didn't have the best of luck again last night IMO but FFS lets give him a chance eh, what was he supposed to do post match? Tear strips off his new players? It's gonna take time, there weren't many improvements from Powell to Wagner in the first couple of games.. The transformation from Powell to Wagner took one game. It was totally different, we didn't win, but the style of play was evident straight away... ok the club only wanted a minor tweak in the style, but we have ended up taking up from the lowest point of David Wagner this terrible sideways sideways backwards stuff rather than getting back to day 1. Geaganpressing. The fans want geaganpressing. We are down, we could set a record for the most premier league games without a win. We are leaving the premier league as a team that played for 6 games when we first got promoted and then went into our shell for the next 70 games.. it's time to rip it up and go back to high energy, high pressing football. Let's lose 4-2 rather than 1-0. We are the arsenal.... but prefer to lose 1-0. I think it took so little time for Wagner's changes to get through because they were all-encompassing. Powell's side didn't have a style of play as such, and it's well documented about the changes in the training regime. I don't know what Jan's training regime is like but I can't imagine it's too different to Wagner's. The players being hesitant, playing the safest option, and going to pieces in front of goal were all due to having low confidence for such a long time, and that can't be solved within a short amount of time just by implementing a new style of play.
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Post by Melc on Jan 30, 2019 12:26:12 GMT 1
Jesus fucking christ, its bad on here this morning!! The guys had just over a week with a team that's not his, he's had one game - which in my opinion was no worse than some performances this season, his way of playing is clearly different to Wagner's. We didn't have the best of luck again last night IMO but FFS lets give him a chance eh, what was he supposed to do post match? Tear strips off his new players? It's gonna take time, there weren't many improvements from Powell to Wagner in the first couple of games.. The transformation from Powell to Wagner took one game. It was totally different, we didn't win, but the style of play was evident straight away... ok the club only wanted a minor tweak in the style, but we have ended up taking up from the lowest point of David Wagner this terrible sideways sideways backwards stuff rather than getting back to day 1. Geaganpressing. The fans want geaganpressing. We are down, we could set a record for the most premier league games without a win. We are leaving the premier league as a team that played for 6 games when we first got promoted and then went into our shell for the next 70 games.. it's time to rip it up and go back to high energy, high pressing football. Let's lose 4-2 rather than 1-0. We are the arsenal.... but prefer to lose 1-0. Your transformation of posts on here have not changed in years! Last night was not good, but did you really expect a change from the set of players after one week under the new coach? As bad as it is we are where we are and for me the signing of Karlan Grant is the first stage of a new squad building process as a club getting prepared for life back in the championship, which for me can't come quickly enough. We are where we are and no point in bleating on about it, so lets just let Seiwert get on with it and see how it develops!
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Post by themanfromatlantis on Jan 30, 2019 12:40:37 GMT 1
Agree Mel, let him get on with things. He doesn't bring baggage, the press don't have another angle like they did with DW being mates with Klopp etc.
Now we're heavily odds on for the drop, we'll not have much media attention, so let's see how proper mgmt works (e.g. not media driven, speculation and bollocks stories) & see how this pans out...
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Post by Wagner Uber Alles on Jan 30, 2019 12:51:08 GMT 1
Not judging him, but he can't have made it clear enough not to pass backwards as we seemed to do it more than before if anything. Let's see what Chelsea brings now he has seen first hand how they have interpreted his instructions. When Wagner came In was like the transformation we saw in Southampton but without the results... I had hoped to see "abit" more after 4 days in Portugal. It seems more of the same so far. When Wagner came in he looked to change the style straight away but there were some pretty shit performances as well and we finished 19th in the league. What he recognised was that the players he inherited weren't good enough and he signed a load of new players in the summer of 2016. Siewert will need time to get his ideas across and may ultimately decide that what we've got isn't good enough even for the Championship. We have to accept that we're going down now and let Siewert get on with experimenting and getting his ideas across. As for the Portugal trip, I'd ban all warm weather training camps indefinitely as EVERY single time we've been on one, we've come back in a worse state. A week's hiking in the Cairngorms would more fitting for this lot (without gloves). Cairngorms, or better still, what Wagner did and which proved to be successful, send them to the arctic tundra in January...but leave them there to survive and find their own way back. Who makes it back to Canalside alive get’s to play
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Post by Kenny irons on Jan 30, 2019 15:22:54 GMT 1
Sorry for stating the obvious but I still can’t believe the club didn’t even speak to jokanovic. Proven at championship level by getting 2 different teams promoted and scoring plenty of goals. What’s the odds on one of next seasons rivals in the championship getting him and going straight up At least he could of looked at the squad for the next few months and identified the targets we needed for next season. Very bizarre
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Post by JonsonClarkParis on Jan 30, 2019 15:27:27 GMT 1
Sorry for stating the obvious but I still can’t believe the club didn’t even speak to jokanovic. Proven at championship level by getting 2 different teams promoted and scoring plenty of goals. What’s the odds on one of next seasons rivals in the championship getting him and going straight up At least he could of looked at the squad for the next few months and identified the targets we needed for next season. Very bizarre Because the club don’t like spending money. 2 words “Cheap Option” Every fucking time Charlie Austin is available, proven championship goal scorer will we go in for him will we bollocks. Too many pennies for them. He will go to a villa or stoke and come back and bite us in the arse just like Ricky lambert a few years ago. Pay the money for proven quality dean
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Post by space hardware on Jan 30, 2019 15:28:31 GMT 1
Sorry for stating the obvious but I still can’t believe the club didn’t even speak to jokanovic. Proven at championship level by getting 2 different teams promoted and scoring plenty of goals. What’s the odds on one of next seasons rivals in the championship getting him and going straight up At least he could of looked at the squad for the next few months and identified the targets we needed for next season. Very bizarre I think Jokanovic would have expected a far bigger budget for transfers than we are willing to offer a new manager.
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Post by Galpharmer on Jan 30, 2019 15:29:33 GMT 1
Sorry for stating the obvious but I still can’t believe the club didn’t even speak to jokanovic. Proven at championship level by getting 2 different teams promoted and scoring plenty of goals. What’s the odds on one of next seasons rivals in the championship getting him and going straight up At least he could of looked at the squad for the next few months and identified the targets we needed for next season. Very bizarre Jokanovic would cost more and demand higher priced players at a guess. Canalside will look nice though.
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Post by JonsonClarkParis on Jan 30, 2019 15:31:24 GMT 1
Sorry for stating the obvious but I still can’t believe the club didn’t even speak to jokanovic. Proven at championship level by getting 2 different teams promoted and scoring plenty of goals. What’s the odds on one of next seasons rivals in the championship getting him and going straight up At least he could of looked at the squad for the next few months and identified the targets we needed for next season. Very bizarre Jokanovic would cost more and demand higher priced players at a guess. Canalside will look nice though. Pittance for getting back to the prem tho
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Post by Galpharmer on Jan 30, 2019 15:32:23 GMT 1
Jokanovic would cost more and demand higher priced players at a guess. Canalside will look nice though. Pittance for getting back to the prem tho I agree, but it’s not guaranteed and it’s not what we do.
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Post by kennyk2 on Jan 30, 2019 15:34:46 GMT 1
Sorry for stating the obvious but I still can’t believe the club didn’t even speak to jokanovic. Proven at championship level by getting 2 different teams promoted and scoring plenty of goals. What’s the odds on one of next seasons rivals in the championship getting him and going straight up At least he could of looked at the squad for the next few months and identified the targets we needed for next season. Very bizarre I think Jokanovic would have expected a far bigger budget for transfers than we are willing to offer a new manager. Like £100 million, but of course at Fulham, these players were foisted upon him. What a nightmare having to work and fail with £100 million worth of players!
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Post by JonsonClarkParis on Jan 30, 2019 15:36:57 GMT 1
I’m behind the new man But on last nights showing and his post match interview I’m not very optimistic You can normally tell after the first game how we are going to play, you could tell with Wagner but last night I saw nothing and I thought it was our worst performance of the season
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Post by dewsburyborn on Jan 30, 2019 15:41:15 GMT 1
I think Jokanovic would have expected a far bigger budget for transfers than we are willing to offer a new manager. Like £100 million, but of course at Fulham, these players were foisted upon him. What a nightmare having to work and fail with £100 million worth of players! I give you Mbenza, Diakhaby, Sobhi for starters ..... we're at 25m already
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Post by dewsburyborn on Jan 30, 2019 15:43:32 GMT 1
Jokanovic would cost more and demand higher priced players at a guess. Canalside will look nice though. Pittance for getting back to the prem tho I've no idea of the answer, so this isn't rhetorical - but I wonder how much his Championship Fulham squad cost ? and his Championship Watford squad ?
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Post by kennyk2 on Jan 30, 2019 15:44:29 GMT 1
Like £100 million, but of course at Fulham, these players were foisted upon him. What a nightmare having to work and fail with £100 million worth of players! I give you Mbenza, Diakhaby, Sobhi for starters ..... we're at 25m already If you can get to £100 million from Towns last summer signings, you would need to do some pretty creative accounting.
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Post by crux on Jan 30, 2019 15:45:48 GMT 1
I’m behind the new man But on last nights showing and his post match interview I’m not very optimistic You can normally tell after the first game how we are going to play, you could tell with Wagner but last night I saw nothing and I thought it was our worst performance of the season Fulham away was miles worse than last night. At least we looked to play/move forward at times last night. Unfortunately all the players have either had all attacking instincts coached out of them or not played enough games to be anywhere match fit in the case of Diakhaby - even then he still managed to create the only two real chances we had.
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Post by Hammy (still in Golcar) on Jan 30, 2019 18:56:30 GMT 1
The Swedish bonding camp seems oh so long ago now. Fed up.com.
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Post by Ross83 on Jan 30, 2019 19:28:05 GMT 1
When Wagner came in he looked to change the style straight away but there were some pretty shit performances as well and we finished 19th in the league. What he recognised was that the players he inherited weren't good enough and he signed a load of new players in the summer of 2016. Siewert will need time to get his ideas across and may ultimately decide that what we've got isn't good enough even for the Championship. We have to accept that we're going down now and let Siewert get on with experimenting and getting his ideas across. As for the Portugal trip, I'd ban all warm weather training camps indefinitely as EVERY single time we've been on one, we've come back in a worse state. A week's hiking in the Cairngorms would more fitting for this lot (without gloves). Cairngorms, or better still, what Wagner did and which proved to be successful, send them to the arctic tundra in January...but leave them there to survive and find their own way back. Who makes it back to Canalside alive get’s to play Hoggy is good but he can't play on his own!
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Post by Ross83 on Jan 30, 2019 19:32:30 GMT 1
I’m behind the new man But on last nights showing and his post match interview I’m not very optimistic You can normally tell after the first game how we are going to play, you could tell with Wagner but last night I saw nothing and I thought it was our worst performance of the season Town v Southampton was much worse IMO.. Have faith, they haven't clicked to his style yet and probably won't for the next few games. He was doing his nut on the touchline at times last night and screaming for intensity. Most have been playing to a strict Wagner philosophy for so long now it's going to take more than a game to implement Jan's style of play.
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Post by Essex Terrier on Feb 1, 2019 10:45:58 GMT 1
Same post as I made when Big Dave was appointed ..... Jan will last a max of 18 months, he will either be a big flop and will be sacked, or poached because he is a great success.
Mind you, I got it wrong about DW!
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Post by oldrain on Feb 1, 2019 11:17:53 GMT 1
What’s needed now is backing for Jan let’s see what he can do not just with the style but how he develops the younger players different coaching can dramatically change players I’d like to see Payne and O’Brien given a chance Payne is a better striker of a ball than most of our first eleven UTT
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Post by alexdire on Feb 1, 2019 11:44:17 GMT 1
Does anybody else think that Siewert blocked any further recruitment?
So he can assess the squad, say who or what positions we will need and doesn't get lumbered with people he doesn't want.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2019 11:55:23 GMT 1
I’m behind the new man But on last nights showing and his post match interview I’m not very optimistic You can normally tell after the first game how we are going to play, you could tell with Wagner but last night I saw nothing and I thought it was our worst performance of the seasonYou obviously were not at Fulham or Watford or even Man City... hmm disappointment comes with the football territory... FWIW in the first half against Everton we were regularly pushing four men onto the Everton back line... whatever the result these were encouraging signs... but hey continue with the utter despondency persona....
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Post by ClaytonwestRobin on Feb 1, 2019 11:56:36 GMT 1
Whilst we are still in Europe (politically) can we still have the 28 day cooling off period to send Jan back if results don’t improve over the next few games 😂😂😂😂
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Post by terrier70 on Feb 1, 2019 12:00:33 GMT 1
What’s needed now is backing for Jan let’s see what he can do not just with the style but how he develops the younger players different coaching can dramatically change players I’d like to see Payne and O’Brien given a chance Payne is a better striker of a ball than most of our first eleven UTT Payne should have been recalled
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Post by royrace on Feb 1, 2019 12:16:22 GMT 1
Does anybody else think that Siewert blocked any further recruitment?So he can assess the squad, say who or what positions we will need and doesn't get lumbered with people he doesn't want. Quite possibly, both he and Hudson have also strongly alluded to the fact that they think Diakbenza haven't been given enough of an opportunity to prove themselves. I guess we'll find out soon enough who is right (if we haven't already). I know who my money is on. Maybe Jan has told them what they want to hear, ie no you haven't wasted £25M on a load of crap, I can get something from these players.
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Post by somtam on Feb 1, 2019 12:48:28 GMT 1
The Swedish bonding camp seems oh so long ago now. Fed up.com. The Portuguese trip may well have been a waste of money too.
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Post by CaptainHart on Feb 1, 2019 15:20:45 GMT 1
Does anybody else think that Siewert blocked any further recruitment? So he can assess the squad, say who or what positions we will need and doesn't get lumbered with people he doesn't want. I agree that Siewert was brought in now to assess the squad, although I think it came about because the club decided they couldn't afford to bring in the players necessary to give Wagner a realistic chance of keeping us up.
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Post by mids on Feb 1, 2019 15:28:03 GMT 1
What’s needed now is backing for Jan let’s see what he can do not just with the style but how he develops the younger players different coaching can dramatically change players I’d like to see Payne and O’Brien given a chance Payne is a better striker of a ball than most of our first eleven UTT Payne should have been recalled O'Brien is the one the Bradford fans at work are smitten with....they're desperate to keep him....he's their new Stuart McCall apparently
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