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Post by 2ellandback on May 4, 2024 20:45:36 GMT 1
If he needs strongly convincing or doesnt look 100% up for the fight then I hope KN puts a huge penalty clause in his contract if he walks. We need someone committed not another corboran or robins situation. I think by “needs convincing” he means backing as in getting rid of the deadwood, having a say in signings and a decent budget.
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Post by King Curtis on May 4, 2024 20:48:22 GMT 1
Andre deserves the chance to create a Team in his image.
When we've gone through managers like prostitutes do knickers - is it any surprise when certain players feel like they rule the roost?
Case & Point is Sorba Thomas.
We bought him from non-league and he got straight in our 1st team. He was evidently a good player. Since then Sorba has been managed by 9 different blokes. 9 managers in 3 years.
Is it any surprise he doesn't respect the manager(s) ?
Club is poorly ran from the top.
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Post by rockwall on May 4, 2024 20:49:34 GMT 1
So a manager rightfully calls players out and demands effort and work ethic. He tells it how it is; but because he has called Warnock out many have turned.
Everything AB said is more than likely true.
Why is it a lot of our fan base don't like the truth?
We were unfit. Hence the injury list. We haven't been playing as a team. There has obviously been cliques and egos.
Full respect to AB.
Only thing now is, he has to stay and prove himself. Back up his talk. Get us fit. Get us injury free.
Otherwise the talk is cheap.
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Post by Million Dollar Babies on May 4, 2024 20:50:02 GMT 1
What's the rules around number of foreign players in league one? Can we bring a load of Germans in if we wanted to or are we restricted by having to have X amount of British players?
Also what's the crack with Brexit and work permits? I thought I'd seen something regarding the rules being relaxed so it's not as difficult as it was immediately after Brexit
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Post by jasrick on May 4, 2024 20:51:05 GMT 1
If he needs strongly convincing or doesnt look 100% up for the fight then I hope KN puts a huge penalty clause in his contract if he walks. We need someone committed not another corboran or robins situation. I don’t think Kev will be able to put any new clauses into the contract at this stage. Didn’t he sign for two and a half years? It’s just a question of does he want to stay to me - I can’t see Kev sacking AB and paying him off.
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Post by htafcdreams on May 4, 2024 20:52:37 GMT 1
What positives from ABs tenure make him the right candidate to take us forward ?
We haven’t seen anything tactically or performance wise to think he’s able to do well in English football.
We have seen more from Jon Worthington than AB
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Post by htafcokay on May 4, 2024 20:52:58 GMT 1
Can someone expand on the thing about him ‘not living here’? Was he really flying home regularly, and leaving training to others? If there’s truth in that, it would seem odd. It would be like a taster visit to Managing HTFC? Kev called this out as absolute bollocks a few weeks ago. Years ago, people would just accept that, but now in this day and age where everything has to be a conspiracy, people will question it.
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Post by Mastercracker on May 4, 2024 20:53:37 GMT 1
As it stands at the moment, I fear we could drop right through to the basement for the 3rd time in my Town supporting life. I really don’t get this, it just seems to be dramatic overreaction for the sake of it. We’re crap and we’re all angry but we’re crap at championship level. We still got a points tally that would sometimes stay up and that’s with an apparent bunch of tossers and 4 managers, with gaping holes in the squad. I can understand arguing that we have a bunch of serial losers and that if things go badly over the summer we’ll still be reliant on a chunk of them but to think they are all that bad that we’ll be one of the 4 worst teams? A bad season for Town in L1 is mid table. We had shite players and no money under Davy and never looked like getting relegated. The only teams who have gone straight through recently are in financial turmoil, and imo that’s the only way Town end up in L2.
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Post by King Curtis on May 4, 2024 20:54:17 GMT 1
What positives from ABs tenure make him the right candidate to take us forward ? We haven’t seen anything tactically or performance wise to think he’s able to do well in English football. We have seen more from Jon Worthington than AB No we didn't.
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Post by kennyk2 on May 4, 2024 20:54:51 GMT 1
What positives from ABs tenure make him the right candidate to take us forward ? We haven’t seen anything tactically or performance wise to think he’s able to do well in English football. We have seen more from Jon Worthington than AB Which part of "he doesn't want the fucking job" don't you understand?
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Post by cyberman on May 4, 2024 21:04:11 GMT 1
Wonder how Nigel Pearson would have dealt with this shower of shit ?
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Post by kennyk2 on May 4, 2024 21:09:29 GMT 1
Wonder how Nigel Pearson would have dealt with this shower of shit ? Given them a bit of physio?
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Post by Floyds on May 4, 2024 21:09:35 GMT 1
What positives from ABs tenure make him the right candidate to take us forward ? We haven’t seen anything tactically or performance wise to think he’s able to do well in English football. We have seen more from Jon Worthington than AB Whish part of "he doesn't want the fucking job" don't you understand? Hopefully the current incumbent doesn’t want it either 😂🤞
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Post by maxpower on May 4, 2024 21:11:35 GMT 1
What positives from ABs tenure make him the right candidate to take us forward ? We haven’t seen anything tactically or performance wise to think he’s able to do well in English football. We have seen more from Jon Worthington than AB Whish part of "he doesn't want the fucking job" don't you understand? So he's not ruled it out then? Seriously though, I don't blame him
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Post by gledholt terrier on May 4, 2024 21:23:46 GMT 1
As it stands at the moment, I fear we could drop right through to the basement for the 3rd time in my Town supporting life. I really don’t get this, it just seems to be dramatic overreaction for the sake of it. Probably right. Probably. (Had to edit as I can’t do bold very well!)
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Post by specialun on May 4, 2024 21:24:05 GMT 1
Kieran McKenna took over league one 12th place Ipswich on 16 December 2021. They improved under him (42 from 24 v 28 from 22 before him) but failed to reach the play offs and finished 11th 13 points short
If that happened here there’d be calls to get rid - ‘he didn’t make enough of an impact’…‘didn’t make play offs not good enough’ … ‘started well but didn’t kick on after honeymoon period’ etc
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Post by harris on May 4, 2024 21:25:24 GMT 1
Kieran McKenna took over league one 12th place Ipswich on 16 December 2021. They improved under him (42 from 24 v 28 from 22 before him) but failed to reach the play offs and finished 11th 23 points short If that happened here there’d be calls to get rid - ‘he didn’t make enough of an impact’…‘didn’t make play offs not good enough’ … ‘started well but didn’t kick on after honeymoon period’ etc Exactly. Success takes time and patience.
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Post by royrace on May 4, 2024 21:26:29 GMT 1
What positives from ABs tenure make him the right candidate to take us forward ? We haven’t seen anything tactically or performance wise to think he’s able to do well in English football. We have seen more from Jon Worthington than AB He speaks well. He's called out the wankers. His CV is very good, if not perfect. Other than that, if truth be told, he's been a complete disaster. I honestly don't know whether I want him to stay or not but I suspect he doesn't fancy it anyway.
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Post by bluesandtwos on May 4, 2024 21:29:12 GMT 1
If you look at Keiran McKenna's CV, Ipswich were his first full manager role. A lot of youth team roles and assistant manager to Ole Gunnar Solskjær (168 Games), José Mourinho (24 Games), Ralf Rangnick (3 Games), Michael Carrick (3 Games) at Man U. So although he didn't have much full manager experience he knows English football, and he has watched decent managers work in this country. Quite a punt for Ipswich but obviously a good one.
AB has plenty of experience but not of the English game and English clubs. I think his time with us has been a real shock for him. Partly because of how hard the Championship is but also how poor our players are. He does not appear to be suited to getting the best out of poor players, like Warnock is. If he stays, and I am not at all sure he will, KN will have to invest in a proper rebuild. Let him work with Cartwright to get the players he wants who he thinks will work the way he wants and as hard as he wants. This will mean shipping some players out, as well as losing out of contract, 10 including any we have a years extension option on, and loan players, and bringing new ones in. I don't know how many B team players are ready to push on, maybe 2 or 3 in League 1?
My gut tells me that we would be better with a young manager with plenty of experience of the English game and English squads but this probably doesn't fit with KN's long term vision, although Ipswich may be a good model. AB hasn't managed to get a tune out of this bunch and I know injuries have hampered him. However, when we struggle for goals, not playing strikers who aren't quite fit enough, and playing wingers up front instead, seems a bit pig headed, almost making a statement. If that is what he has been doing then he may have cost us our place in the Championship.
I will be very interested in what comes out next week. I think it will happen quickly, and if KN is the decisive man he appears, we should see significant change. I just want to watch some exciting football again, it has been a long wait.
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Post by rothwellterrier on May 4, 2024 21:32:04 GMT 1
Kieran McKenna took over league one 12th place Ipswich on 16 December 2021. They improved under him (42 from 24 v 28 from 22 before him) but failed to reach the play offs and finished 11th 13 points short If that happened here there’d be calls to get rid - ‘he didn’t make enough of an impact’…‘didn’t make play offs not good enough’ … ‘started well but didn’t kick on after honeymoon period’ etc I’m also pretty sure he didn’t “know” league 1, but some people are adamant that we need a manager that does for some unknown reason.
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Post by boooothy on May 4, 2024 21:35:20 GMT 1
Just tell us if you’re staying man. If not piss off.
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Post by kayeb222 on May 4, 2024 21:37:30 GMT 1
Andre deserves the chance to create a Team in his image. When we've gone through managers like prostitutes do knickers - is it any surprise when certain players feel like they rule the roost? Case & Point is Sorba Thomas. We bought him from non-league and he got straight in our 1st team. He was evidently a good player. Since then Sorba has been managed by 9 different blokes. 9 managers in 3 years. Is it any surprise he doesn't respect the manager(s) ? Club is poorly ran from the top. I was about to disagree and say that you were exaggerating regarding managers and prostitutes but then realised that Huddersfield prostitutes spend all of their money on crack so 3 in a year is probably accurate!!
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Post by uptownfunk on May 4, 2024 21:40:21 GMT 1
I found AB's interview on Sky to be the most depressing interview I have seen for some time. AB blamed everyone else for the problems and took no responsibility for the team's performance declining under his stewardship and offered no plan nor hope for the future... It sounded like a "please sack me" interview! After the criticism he has heaped on the players there is no way he can manage this squad next season. Either AB goes or the whole squad goes!!Could be both! Needs to be both. What on earth is the point of keeping Andre. Absolutely disgusting performance from him and it’s like we’re all waiting around for the dealer to decide if he’s going to carry on serving up his bashed shite to us. Take your miserable face and F off back to Germany where no one wants you cos you’ve failed 3 times in quick succession. You’re only as good as your last job and so it’s proven: “In May 2022, Breitenreiter signed for TSG Hoffenheim.[16] He was sacked the following 6 February 2023, with the club three points above the relegation zone.[17]” In Feb 2024 Andre joine Huddersfield Town. Andre left the club in May 2024 having seen the club relegated to the 3rd tier.
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Post by Mastercracker on May 4, 2024 21:48:28 GMT 1
I really don’t get this, it just seems to be dramatic overreaction for the sake of it. Probably right. Probably. (Had to edit as I can’t do bold very well!) Look at Reading. Absolute turmoil, points deductions, owner selling training ground and pulling funding…9 points above relegation.
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Post by bluebell on May 4, 2024 21:51:55 GMT 1
Needs to be both. What on earth is the point of keeping Andre. Absolutely disgusting performance from him and it’s like we’re all waiting around for the dealer to decide if he’s going to carry on serving up his bashed shite to us. Take your miserable face and F off back to Germany where no one wants you cos you’ve failed 3 times in quick succession. You’re only as good as your last job and so it’s proven: “In May 2022, Breitenreiter signed for TSG Hoffenheim.[16] He was sacked the following 6 February 2023, with the club three points above the relegation zone.[17]” In Feb 2024 Andre joine Huddersfield Town. Andre left the club in May 2024 having seen the club relegated to the 3rd tier. Depends on what he is doing / has done behind the scenes to possibly impress people. CC would have being hounded out of here by some for example, the following season , he produced a great season. Wagner had huge ups but also huge downs, until he was allowed to reshape the squad in his image, AB may well have shown behind the scenes at the training ground etc, to those who count, that if he gets a squad who he can work with that he is the man ? its not all cut and dried regardeding this season. 7 managers perm or not, says a lot about the last two seasons, so i am just saying that if Nagle and AB come to a agreement, it is then upto them to make it work for next season. If AB get what he wants to stay, there is no excuse so to speak.
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Post by rockwall on May 4, 2024 22:00:45 GMT 1
Kieran McKenna took over league one 12th place Ipswich on 16 December 2021. They improved under him (42 from 24 v 28 from 22 before him) but failed to reach the play offs and finished 11th 13 points short If that happened here there’d be calls to get rid - ‘he didn’t make enough of an impact’…‘didn’t make play offs not good enough’ … ‘started well but didn’t kick on after honeymoon period’ etc Only got to look at CC reign here. 1st season was promising fading to abysmal and many wanted him gone. All of a sudden we get to a play off final.
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Post by Stiggy on May 4, 2024 22:04:24 GMT 1
We need to know if he’s committed straight away and if he’s not then we need to move on as we need a good pre season. Last thing we need is a repeat of the Carlos fiasco.
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Post by uptownfunk on May 4, 2024 22:09:20 GMT 1
Needs to be both. What on earth is the point of keeping Andre. Absolutely disgusting performance from him and it’s like we’re all waiting around for the dealer to decide if he’s going to carry on serving up his bashed shite to us. Take your miserable face and F off back to Germany where no one wants you cos you’ve failed 3 times in quick succession. You’re only as good as your last job and so it’s proven: “In May 2022, Breitenreiter signed for TSG Hoffenheim.[16] He was sacked the following 6 February 2023, with the club three points above the relegation zone.[17]” In Feb 2024 Andre joine Huddersfield Town. Andre left the club in May 2024 having seen the club relegated to the 3rd tier. Depends on what he is doing / has done behind the scenes to possibly impress people. CC would have being hounded out of here by some for example, the following season , he produced a great season. Wagner had huge ups but also huge downs, until he was allowed to reshape the squad in his image, AB may well have shown behind the scenes at the training ground etc, to those who count, that if he gets a squad who he can work with that he is the man ? its not all cut and dried regardeding this season. 7 managers perm or not, says a lot about the last two seasons, so i am just saying that if Nagle and AB come to a agreement, it is then upto them to make it work for next season. If AB get what he wants to stay, there is no excuse so to speak. To be honest if your people are choosing to 1) Retain Warnock beyond the survival season - which I was surprised by. 2) Then suddenly sack him when they did 3) Appoint Darren Moore 4) Leave a failing DM in post for so long 5) Appoint a foreign technical, whole overhaul long term type appointment in a very tight relegation scrap. Then it’s the people making these decisions that are the problem.
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Post by uptownfunk on May 4, 2024 22:10:18 GMT 1
Kieran McKenna took over league one 12th place Ipswich on 16 December 2021. They improved under him (42 from 24 v 28 from 22 before him) but failed to reach the play offs and finished 11th 13 points short If that happened here there’d be calls to get rid - ‘he didn’t make enough of an impact’…‘didn’t make play offs not good enough’ … ‘started well but didn’t kick on after honeymoon period’ etc Only got to look at CC reign here. 1st season was promising fading to abysmal and many wanted him gone. All of a sudden we get to a play off final. There’s no LOB and Toff lurking in this squad though.. sadly.
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Post by Baby Ate My Eight Ball on May 4, 2024 22:10:29 GMT 1
I'm still not 100% about AB...the revelations he's made have made me uneasy because it does smack a bit of blaming everybody else..it's not my fault. There seems an air of 'superiority' about him, a lack of patience..even a bit of easily irritated . Whatever the weaknesses of our squad he found zero solution..he couldn't motivate, or connect, or unite the team...we couldn't win, we couldn't score..it's not all down to the players, the coach has to find ways to to solve these problems, and he didn't. maybe he's in denial about his own failings ? We have a massive job now during the summer, we probably need to sign 10 new players..and they have to be the right players this time..grafters, committed, energetic..etc. Who is going to decide..? More importantly though, we need a coach that connect with the players, can direct, motivate , develop. I just don't think AB is that man..he wants it handed on a plate.We don't need a coach that goes public criticising the players, the club..everything. Next season, with so many changes in personnel could be an instant hit, but only if we have the right motivator in charge..and I just don't think AB is that man. I don't know what KN has said to him, but it already smacks of AB saying' let me think about it...I'll let you know if I think you're worthy of my talents'... Think that’s a really good summary, even though I’m of the view we’re better off if he stays.
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