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Post by runner76 on Apr 23, 2024 12:56:30 GMT 1
I’m 20, started going in 09/10. Never even seen us play them them in the league. So, they’re a lower league club to me. One of many thing that needs to change under the Nagle regime is the small club mentality. It’s toxic now and rightly so. Does it though? A big club mentality has positives but downsides as well like fans expecting all sorts. Town fans seem to expect the benefits of both a big club and a small club. We should adopt a medium sized club mentality.
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Post by Werlinger on Apr 23, 2024 13:05:27 GMT 1
I posted this on another thread, but in my 25 years watching Town we've been lower end championship or below for 20 of those seasons. We've had a season in League Two and a 15th in League One where we underachieved. We then had two seasons 16/17 and 21/22 where we overachieved, on one of these we squirreled into the Prem, then stayed there for a season. As long as we don't absolutely fucking bomb in League One, we're about where we should be.
I think the current anger directed at the club is 100% from expectations that haven't been met. We've all got excited thinking wealthy American owner = huge transfer fees, good coach, good players, attacking football, excitement & promotion when it's nowhere near as simple as that, although maybe comments regarding Prem in 3 years (if they were actually made) were a bit naive. I'm pretty level headed but I've done the same, partly expected us to be top half Championship this season. A culmination of bad luck, bad advice & general shitness means we're crashing out of the league and are all massively pissed off because we thought we'd be at the other end of the table. It hasn't been good enough.
I feel like we've got an ambitious chairman who is still learning, whose advisors have possibly let him down - although I don't know the inner workings. I honestly feel like if we have a good clearout and rebuild in a sensible yet ambitious manner - we'll come good quickly. It maybe a promotion from League One in the next couple of seasons sets us on a roll. I can't get on board with constant change, sackings and blame when it's clearly a collective issue.
I'm already excited for a rebuild and to see what we can achieve with a big overhaul.
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Post by royrace on Apr 23, 2024 13:08:34 GMT 1
I can't get excited by the thought of maybe getting back to the level we've been at for 12 years and still would be were it not for having a couple of fkin idiots running the show.
Wake me up when we're back in the championship.
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Post by boooothy on Apr 23, 2024 13:24:39 GMT 1
Does it though? A big club mentality has positives but downsides as well like fans expecting all sorts. Town fans seem to expect the benefits of both a big club and a small club. Explain? We want big names, we want promises of promotion pushes, we expect an owner willing to chuck millions at it and we want decent lager. The things most clubs want. We also want players we can relate to and communicate with, access to Canalside meeting the staff, a complicated ticketing fair scheme while the “big” clubs simply charge for priority, open communication with access to the decision makers. The things you only get from a “small club mentality”. I’ve no problem being a small dog. I’d of supported Leeds or Man United if i’d only wanted the former from my club. I don’t even know what i ramble on about but i sense our fans seem to think having a billionaire owner is the norm, whereas i see Bolton, Wigan, Bradford as more what we should not hope for but realistically expect.
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 23, 2024 13:36:25 GMT 1
We want big names, we want promises of promotion pushes, we expect an owner willing to chuck millions at it and we want decent lager. The things most clubs want. We also want players we can relate to and communicate with, access to Canalside meeting the staff, a complicated ticketing fair scheme while the “big” clubs simply charge for priority, open communication with access to the decision makers. The things you only get from a “small club mentality”. I’ve no problem being a small dog. I’d of supported Leeds or Man United if i’d only wanted the former from my club. I don’t even know what i ramble on about but i sense our fans seem to think having a billionaire owner is the norm, whereas i see Bolton, Wigan, Bradford as more what we should not hope for but realistically expect. I think it's much more simpler than that. The fans just want to see us win a few games every season, score a few goals, see footballers that are able to pass a ball to each other and have a few players they can actually like and relate to. Who are the current fan favourites in the team? I couldn't name you one.
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Post by sabailand on Apr 23, 2024 13:38:41 GMT 1
We want big names, we want promises of promotion pushes, we expect an owner willing to chuck millions at it and we want decent lager. The things most clubs want. We also want players we can relate to and communicate with, access to Canalside meeting the staff, a complicated ticketing fair scheme while the “big” clubs simply charge for priority, open communication with access to the decision makers. The things you only get from a “small club mentality”. I’ve no problem being a small dog. I’d of supported Leeds or Man United if i’d only wanted the former from my club. I don’t even know what i ramble on about but i sense our fans seem to think having a billionaire owner is the norm, whereas i see Bolton, Wigan, Bradford as more what we should not hope for but realistically expect. And we want dirt cheap season tickets on top of all this which have been dirt cheap for years.
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Post by terriersyndrome on Apr 23, 2024 13:41:19 GMT 1
We want big names, we want promises of promotion pushes, we expect an owner willing to chuck millions at it and we want decent lager. The things most clubs want. We also want players we can relate to and communicate with, access to Canalside meeting the staff, a complicated ticketing fair scheme while the “big” clubs simply charge for priority, open communication with access to the decision makers. The things you only get from a “small club mentality”. I’ve no problem being a small dog. I’d of supported Leeds or Man United if i’d only wanted the former from my club. I don’t even know what i ramble on about but i sense our fans seem to think having a billionaire owner is the norm, whereas i see Bolton, Wigan, Bradford as more what we should not hope for but realistically expect. Sounds like you've well and truly bought into the "small club mentality" with comments like "I'd be happy to finish 21st in the championship every season."
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Post by boooothy on Apr 23, 2024 13:43:42 GMT 1
We want big names, we want promises of promotion pushes, we expect an owner willing to chuck millions at it and we want decent lager. The things most clubs want. We also want players we can relate to and communicate with, access to Canalside meeting the staff, a complicated ticketing fair scheme while the “big” clubs simply charge for priority, open communication with access to the decision makers. The things you only get from a “small club mentality”. I’ve no problem being a small dog. I’d of supported Leeds or Man United if i’d only wanted the former from my club. I don’t even know what i ramble on about but i sense our fans seem to think having a billionaire owner is the norm, whereas i see Bolton, Wigan, Bradford as more what we should not hope for but realistically expect. And we want dirt cheap season tickets on top of all this which have been dirt cheap for years. That’s the biggest thing. I watch Arsenal a bit, it’s awesome but it costs a bomb. It’s not right but it’s just how it is if you want to be competitive.
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Post by boooothy on Apr 23, 2024 13:47:27 GMT 1
We want big names, we want promises of promotion pushes, we expect an owner willing to chuck millions at it and we want decent lager. The things most clubs want. We also want players we can relate to and communicate with, access to Canalside meeting the staff, a complicated ticketing fair scheme while the “big” clubs simply charge for priority, open communication with access to the decision makers. The things you only get from a “small club mentality”. I’ve no problem being a small dog. I’d of supported Leeds or Man United if i’d only wanted the former from my club. I don’t even know what i ramble on about but i sense our fans seem to think having a billionaire owner is the norm, whereas i see Bolton, Wigan, Bradford as more what we should not hope for but realistically expect. Sounds like you've well and truly bought into the "small club mentality" with comments like "I'd be happy to finish 21st in the championship every season." While watching us play the likes of York City, Championship football was a dream on a par with today dreaming of the Premier League. If we ever did get to the greedy league again, after 5 seasons in there are you going to be bitching that we only finished 17th?
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Post by COWSHEDPHIL on Apr 23, 2024 13:52:36 GMT 1
Fans are toxic everywhere
People say VAR is ruining football but the fans are ruining it just as much.
Fan expectations are ridiculous and people walking out of grounds before 70 minutes as somehow become the norm.
Starting to make me not want to go and I’ve been a regular since 1986.
Gutting really .
Ps I mean all fans. Check West Ham out for one. Booing David Moyes off after everything he’s done for them. Where are they expecting to be?
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Post by terriersyndrome on Apr 23, 2024 13:58:42 GMT 1
Sounds like you've well and truly bought into the "small club mentality" with comments like "I'd be happy to finish 21st in the championship every season." While watching us play the likes of York City, Championship football was a dream on a par with today dreaming of the Premier League. If we ever did get to the greedy league again, after 5 seasons in there are you going to be bitching that we only finished 17th? We're 29th in the all time league table. 19th for domestic trophies won. 35th in the all time attendance table. 14th in the all time record attendance. You make out that we've spent our entire history in the bottom 2 tiers and should be grateful for championship football when history says we're a top 30 club using all parameters. You can think we're a small club all you want, but the facts say otherwise.
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Post by boooothy on Apr 23, 2024 13:59:42 GMT 1
Fans are toxic everywhere People say VAR is ruining football but the fans are ruining it just as much. Fan expectations are ridiculous and people walking out of grounds before 70 minutes as somehow become the norm. Starting to make me not want to go and I’ve been a regular since 1986. Gutting really . Ps I mean all fans. Check West Ham out for one. Booing David Moyes off after everything he’s done for them. Where are they expecting to be? Spot on. I WANT IT NOW!!!!!!
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Post by boooothy on Apr 23, 2024 14:02:02 GMT 1
While watching us play the likes of York City, Championship football was a dream on a par with today dreaming of the Premier League. If we ever did get to the greedy league again, after 5 seasons in there are you going to be bitching that we only finished 17th? We're 29th in the all time league table. 19th for domestic trophies won. 35th in the all time attendance table. 15th in the all time record attendance. You make out that we've spent our entire history in the bottom 2 tiers and should be grateful for championship football when history says we're a top 30 club using all parameters. You can think we're a small club all you want, but the facts say otherwise. Suppose it depends when you started supporting us. It’s approaching 40 years for me. I’m probably guilty of ignoring all that went before.
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 23, 2024 14:03:32 GMT 1
While watching us play the likes of York City, Championship football was a dream on a par with today dreaming of the Premier League. If we ever did get to the greedy league again, after 5 seasons in there are you going to be bitching that we only finished 17th? We're 29th in the all time league table. 19th for domestic trophies won. 35th in the all time attendance table. 14th in the all time record attendance. You make out that we've spent our entire history in the bottom 2 tiers and should be grateful for championship football when history says we're a top 30 club using all parameters. You can think we're a small club all you want, but the facts say otherwise. In 116 years, we've only spent 30 years out of the top two tiers.
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Post by hoggy1975 on Apr 23, 2024 14:07:32 GMT 1
We want big names, we want promises of promotion pushes, we expect an owner willing to chuck millions at it and we want decent lager. The things most clubs want. We also want players we can relate to and communicate with, access to Canalside meeting the staff, a complicated ticketing fair scheme while the “big” clubs simply charge for priority, open communication with access to the decision makers. The things you only get from a “small club mentality”. I’ve no problem being a small dog. I’d of supported Leeds or Man United if i’d only wanted the former from my club. I don’t even know what i ramble on about but i sense our fans seem to think having a billionaire owner is the norm, whereas i see Bolton, Wigan, Bradford as more what we should not hope for but realistically expect. I think it's much more simpler than that. The fans just want to see us win a few games every season, score a few goals, see footballers that are able to pass a ball to each other and have a few players they can actually like and relate to. Who are the current fan favourites in the team? I couldn't name you one. This x 100. We are simple people. Season ticket holders and those who go to the odd game are never going to attend unless we have the above. Majority of the squad id be glad to see leave. The only one I’d stop to talk to if I saw them in the street would be Hogg. Let’s go down and clear out the squad. Even those that people think will be good in the league below (Pearson Kasamu etc). Start a fresh and invest for promotion and maybe, just maybe, we will return to winning football games which will bring the fans back.
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Post by Terriersmad on Apr 23, 2024 14:24:53 GMT 1
We're 29th in the all time league table. 19th for domestic trophies won. 35th in the all time attendance table. 14th in the all time record attendance. You make out that we've spent our entire history in the bottom 2 tiers and should be grateful for championship football when history says we're a top 30 club using all parameters. You can think we're a small club all you want, but the facts say otherwise. In 116 years, we've only spent 30 years out of the top two tiers. Top flight: 32 seasons Second tier: 43 seasons Third tier: 22 seasons Fourth tier: 6 seasons Any who note the discrepancy between 116 years and the above, remember 2 seasons in non-league 1908-10, then 11 seasons of wartime football (we were quite good in the Second World War, and there's a history in there somewhere). Just to compare, Bradford City's record of playing in each division is 12 in the top flight, 29 in the second, 42 in the third, 27 in the fourth.
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Post by hd9terrier on Apr 23, 2024 14:41:26 GMT 1
While watching us play the likes of York City, Championship football was a dream on a par with today dreaming of the Premier League. If we ever did get to the greedy league again, after 5 seasons in there are you going to be bitching that we only finished 17th? We're 29th in the all time league table. 19th for domestic trophies won. 35th in the all time attendance table. 14th in the all time record attendance. You make out that we've spent our entire history in the bottom 2 tiers and should be grateful for championship football when history says we're a top 30 club using all parameters. You can think we're a small club all you want, but the facts say otherwise. This. I think we’re the most underrated club in the country because our own fans underrate us. Although, I do understand why because 1. Almost all of our good times were before most Town fans were born and 2. Quite frankly the club have buried our own history. The potential is there as shown in the demand for tickets in the PL and in the long term I do believe in Kev.
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 23, 2024 14:45:57 GMT 1
We're 29th in the all time league table. 19th for domestic trophies won. 35th in the all time attendance table. 14th in the all time record attendance. You make out that we've spent our entire history in the bottom 2 tiers and should be grateful for championship football when history says we're a top 30 club using all parameters. You can think we're a small club all you want, but the facts say otherwise. This. I think we’re the most underrated club in the country because our own fans underrate us. Although, I do understand why because 1. Almost all of our good times were before most Town fans were born and 2. Quite frankly the club have buried our own history.The potential is there as shown in the demand for tickets in the PL and in the long term I do believe in Kev. It's not just the club, it's the fans as well. In 2017, we got promoted to the top tier and it was the first time since 1972 we'd been there. We were great that season, and really deserved to go up, we only spent one single week out of the Top 6 all season and we went toe to toe with some of the big guns. Yet our supporters will say, "We were lucky" "We had a negative goal difference" "We got promoted via the play-offs without scoring a goal" "Wagner's football was shit that season" It's one of the club's best ever achievements and yet it's talked down by its own supporters. A number of supporters will also convince you that we're a shitty little League One club and we belong there, despite us only playing 22 seasons there in 116 years. Our fans ought to celebrate our history a bit more, instead of always trying to talk it down and belittle their own club.
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Post by bluesandtwos on Apr 23, 2024 15:24:20 GMT 1
Truly pathetic set of players that have disgraced this club far too often. Thankfully we don't have to put up with most of these gutless fuckers for much longer. This should be stuck on the home dressing room door in bold capitals. Motivational speaker speaks. The vast majority of people do better with a carrot rather than a stick. We have suffered some awful seasons but slagging players off and booing is so counter productive.
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Post by royrace on Apr 23, 2024 15:51:12 GMT 1
This should be stuck on the home dressing room door in bold capitals. Motivational speaker speaks. The vast majority of people do better with a carrot rather than a stick. We have suffered some awful seasons but slagging players off and booing is so counter productive. Problem is some have come round to the fact we're down and we'll never see half of these players again and likely not the coaching staff. When that happens the gloves come off. Booing them whilst there's still a chance is stupid but if they were better pros they'd just get on with it anyway. Compare this lot with hef, Schindler, lowe, kachunga etc. Chalk and cheese.
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Post by malcolmbrown on Apr 23, 2024 16:02:19 GMT 1
I remember the Guardian describing us as a well run club a few years ago.
Seems several life times ago.
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Post by joburgjon on Apr 23, 2024 16:37:06 GMT 1
We have a fantastic history and no one can dispute that. Our overall history would likely place make us a solid Championship side challenging for the play off every season.
However, in January 1961 the maximum wage for footballers was abolished and by 1964 the average wage for a footballer had increased by 61%. Indeed our very own Ray Wilson (born and bread in Huddersfield and with 30 England caps to his name) left Town for Everton as they were offering him more money.
The 1962 season was when football really first changed and players could start to earn more, with the richer clubs paying higher wages.
Since that time we have spent:
Top Division - 3 seasons Second Division - 30 seasons Third Division - 24 Seasons Fourth Division - 5 season.
So taking away the anomalies of 3 years in the top flight and 5 years in the basement division. We have essentially been a team that has spent 52 of the 62 season in the 2nd or 3rd Division. So having spent 10 of the last 12 in the 2nd division, it's about right that we're going back into the 3rd division.
The challenge is, can this slip into the third division be the anomaly and the club become one that spends 52 of the next 62 seasons in the Championship and Premier League
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 23, 2024 16:38:38 GMT 1
We have a fantastic history and no one can dispute that. Our overall history would likely place make us a solid Championship side challenging for the play off every season. However, in January 1961 the maximum wage for footballers was abolished and by 1964 the average wage for a footballer had increased by 61%. Indeed our very own Ray Wilson ( born and bread in Huddersfield and with 30 England caps to his name) left Town for Everton as they were offering him more money. The 1962 season was when football really first changed and players could start to earn more, with the richer clubs paying higher wages. Since that time we have spent: Top Division - 3 seasons Second Division - 30 seasons Third Division - 24 Seasons Fourth Division - 5 season. So taking away the anomalies of 3 years in the top flight and 5 years in the basement division. We have essentially been a team that has spent 52 of the 62 season in the 2nd or 3rd Division. So having spent 10 of the last 12 in the 2nd division, it's about right that we're going back into the 3rd division. The challenge is, can this slip into the third division be the anomaly and the club become one that spends 52 of the next 62 seasons in the Championship and Premier League Shirebrook, actually Edit - it's four seasons in the 1st Division rather than three
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Post by Mastercracker on Apr 23, 2024 16:42:47 GMT 1
This. I think we’re the most underrated club in the country because our own fans underrate us. Although, I do understand why because 1. Almost all of our good times were before most Town fans were born and 2. Quite frankly the club have buried our own history.The potential is there as shown in the demand for tickets in the PL and in the long term I do believe in Kev. A number of supporters will also convince you that we're a shitty little League One club and we belong there, despite us only playing 22 seasons there in 116 years. The HTFC Comfort blanket. I think the original is handed from owner to owner and they sell replicas in the club shop.
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Post by hd9terrier on Apr 23, 2024 16:43:14 GMT 1
This. I think we’re the most underrated club in the country because our own fans underrate us. Although, I do understand why because 1. Almost all of our good times were before most Town fans were born and 2. Quite frankly the club have buried our own history.The potential is there as shown in the demand for tickets in the PL and in the long term I do believe in Kev. It's not just the club, it's the fans as well. In 2017, we got promoted to the top tier and it was the first time since 1972 we'd been there. We were great that season, and really deserved to go up, we only spent one single week out of the Top 6 all season and we went toe to toe with some of the big guns. Yet our supporters will say, "We were lucky" "We had a negative goal difference" "We got promoted via the play-offs without scoring a goal" "Wagner's football was shit that season" It's one of the club's best ever achievements and yet it's talked down by its own supporters. A number of supporters will also convince you that we're a shitty little League One club and we belong there, despite us only playing 22 seasons there in 116 years. Our fans ought to celebrate our history a bit more, instead of always trying to talk it down and belittle their own club. Not wrong there. I understand why we are a bit doom and gloom though. A lot of smaller clubs have seen more success than us in modern history. We seem to have had a lot of sustained success before any of us were alive but all seen a lot of sustained mediocrity. Hopefully big Kev can build something we can be proud of long term.
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Post by araucaria on Apr 23, 2024 17:01:54 GMT 1
We have a fantastic history and no one can dispute that. Our overall history would likely place make us a solid Championship side challenging for the play off every season. However, in January 1961 the maximum wage for footballers was abolished and by 1964 the average wage for a footballer had increased by 61%. Indeed our very own Ray Wilson ( born and bread in Huddersfield and with 30 England caps to his name) left Town for Everton as they were offering him more money. The 1962 season was when football really first changed and players could start to earn more, with the richer clubs paying higher wages. Since that time we have spent: Top Division - 3 seasons Second Division - 30 seasons Third Division - 24 Seasons Fourth Division - 5 season. So taking away the anomalies of 3 years in the top flight and 5 years in the basement division. We have essentially been a team that has spent 52 of the 62 season in the 2nd or 3rd Division. So having spent 10 of the last 12 in the 2nd division, it's about right that we're going back into the 3rd division. The challenge is, can this slip into the third division be the anomaly and the club become one that spends 52 of the next 62 seasons in the Championship and Premier League Shirebrook, actually Edit - it's four seasons in the 1st Division rather than three And 22 in the third and 6 in the fourth. 30 years in the second is actually correct, as is the point that we've spent 52 out of the 62 years in the second and third divisions.
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Post by iangreaves on Apr 23, 2024 17:09:00 GMT 1
We have a fantastic history and no one can dispute that. Our overall history would likely place make us a solid Championship side challenging for the play off every season. However, in January 1961 the maximum wage for footballers was abolished and by 1964 the average wage for a footballer had increased by 61%. Indeed our very own Ray Wilson (born and bread in Huddersfield and with 30 England caps to his name) left Town for Everton as they were offering him more money. The 1962 season was when football really first changed and players could start to earn more, with the richer clubs paying higher wages. Since that time we have spent: Top Division - 3 seasons Second Division - 30 seasons Third Division - 24 Seasons Fourth Division - 5 season. So taking away the anomalies of 3 years in the top flight and 5 years in the basement division. We have essentially been a team that has spent 52 of the 62 season in the 2nd or 3rd Division. So having spent 10 of the last 12 in the 2nd division, it's about right that we're going back into the 3rd division. The challenge is, can this slip into the third division be the anomaly and the club become one that spends 52 of the next 62 seasons in the Championship and Premier League I'm not sure your figures are right. We've spent four years in the top flight in my time following the club.
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Post by joburgjon on Apr 23, 2024 17:10:55 GMT 1
Shirebrook, actually Edit - it's four seasons in the 1st Division rather than three And 22 in the third and 6 in the fourth. 30 years in the second is actually correct, as is the point that we've spent 52 out of the 62 years in the second and third divisions. Ok so my figures for individual leagues are out by a couple of seasons here and there. I think I got confused with the changing of competition names when the Premier League was formed and then when they created the Championship, League 1, League 2. However, I think people can get the gist and the point I was trying to make......Sorry to the stattos for the mistakes
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Post by Christ in Shades (art) on Apr 23, 2024 17:22:00 GMT 1
This. I think we’re the most underrated club in the country because our own fans underrate us. Although, I do understand why because 1. Almost all of our good times were before most Town fans were born and 2. Quite frankly the club have buried our own history.The potential is there as shown in the demand for tickets in the PL and in the long term I do believe in Kev. It's not just the club, it's the fans as well. In 2017, we got promoted to the top tier and it was the first time since 1972 we'd been there. We were great that season, and really deserved to go up, we only spent one single week out of the Top 6 all season and we went toe to toe with some of the big guns. Yet our supporters will say, "We were lucky" "We had a negative goal difference" "We got promoted via the play-offs without scoring a goal" "Wagner's football was shit that season" It's one of the club's best ever achievements and yet it's talked down by its own supporters. A number of supporters will also convince you that we're a shitty little League One club and we belong there, despite us only playing 22 seasons there in 116 years. Our fans ought to celebrate our history a bit more, instead of always trying to talk it down and belittle their own club. To be fair, most of those statements are true, we had so much luck that season it was untrue, we are the only team to win promotion with a negative goal difference, we winged the play offs on pens and Wagners football did leave a lot be be desired at times, a lot of games were won by fine margins. We could actually pass to each other that season and do the basics right, which goes a long way. I don't actually think the fans or the club play down the history of the club at all. All that little club shite, Hoyle set the narrative for some reason with everyone worshipping the ground he walked on. Town fans are no different from any other fan in the country they want the best for the club and for it yo be successful.
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Post by royrace on Apr 23, 2024 17:29:25 GMT 1
It's not just the club, it's the fans as well. In 2017, we got promoted to the top tier and it was the first time since 1972 we'd been there. We were great that season, and really deserved to go up, we only spent one single week out of the Top 6 all season and we went toe to toe with some of the big guns. Yet our supporters will say, "We were lucky" "We had a negative goal difference" "We got promoted via the play-offs without scoring a goal" "Wagner's football was shit that season" It's one of the club's best ever achievements and yet it's talked down by its own supporters. A number of supporters will also convince you that we're a shitty little League One club and we belong there, despite us only playing 22 seasons there in 116 years. Our fans ought to celebrate our history a bit more, instead of always trying to talk it down and belittle their own club. To be fair, most of those statements are true, we had so much luck that season it was untrue, we are the only team to win promotion with a negative goal difference, we winged the play offs on pens and Wagners football did leave a lot be be desired at times, a lot of games were won by fine margins. We could actually pass to each other that season and do the basics right, which goes a long way. I don't actually think the fans or the club play down the history of the club at all. All that little club shite, Hoyle set the narrative for some reason with everyone worshipping the ground he walked on. Town fans are no different from any other fan in the country they want the best for the club and for it yo be successful. We were brilliant most games that season, best football I've ever seen us play, outplayed teams week in week out. There's an obsession around the GD for some odd reason. Fulham alone were responsible for minus ten! We won many games by one goal, so what? We dominated most teams and teams with squads costing many times what it's did. Play off games are often fine margins, didn't score a goal and won on pens. So what?! The fact we stayed up the following season backs up the fact it was no fluke.
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