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Post by htafcokay on Apr 28, 2024 13:52:46 GMT 1
As a club, we love a nostalgic pick. I'd imagine he'll be offered a new deal. There's already a thread calling for Hefele to get the job. Some on here saying Rhodes should get a new deal. Sentiment gets you nowhere in football.
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Post by dm on Apr 28, 2024 14:00:37 GMT 1
The promotion season was 7 years ago. For every time we say "he saw us from the bottom of the championship to the PL", you can now say the opposite.
We need to stop clinging to things that aren't working.
Phenomenal servant but the time for change is now.
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Post by bluestripe on Apr 28, 2024 14:36:20 GMT 1
replace him and start thinking long term Another 3 year plan maybe? We in reality get a completely new one every time we change manager. We need a one year plan to return to the Championship. End of.
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Apr 28, 2024 14:42:06 GMT 1
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Post by buckers on Apr 28, 2024 14:42:06 GMT 1
Should be number one priority now. Exactly what we need for that league. This won't go down well, but I think we should also be speaking to Rhodes. Been there and done it with us before and certainly proved this season he's good enough for an option from the bench should Healey/Radulovic stay. Healey is basically a younger version of Rhodes. We don't need two of them with a limited budget to work around Twice you’ve mentioned the budget. Has it been mentioned in an interview?
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Post by jimmythebulldog on Apr 28, 2024 14:47:24 GMT 1
Not even a question for me - no idea what the fuck has gone on behind the scenes in that dressing room but the man is a general on the field and that’s what we need in the changing room.
Do I trust the club to find someone younger to replace him? Not a fucking chance.
Wasn’t Kasuma that man?
Keep Hoggy all day long - even if he transitions to a player / coach role at some point.
And Rhodes - say what you want but the man knows where the goal is - exactly what we needed during the dark days of Dec/Jan/Feb - one more fucking stupid mistake to let him go and have nobody to step in.
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Post by Dan on Apr 28, 2024 14:51:01 GMT 1
Not even a question for me - no idea what the fuck has gone on behind the scenes in that dressing room but the man is a general on the field and that’s what we need in the changing room. Do I trust the club to find someone younger to replace him? Not a fucking chance. Wasn’t Kasuma that man? Keep Hoggy all day long - even if he transitions to a player / coach role at some point. And Rhodes - say what you want but the man knows where the goal is - exactly what we needed during the dark days of Dec/Jan/Feb - one more fucking stupid mistake to let him go and have nobody to step in. So with Danny Ward, Rhys Healey, Bojan Radulovic, Tyreece Simpson, Kian Harratt and Kyle Hudlin on the books for next season, your priority would be to hand a new contract to a 34 year old Jordan Rhodes?
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Apr 28, 2024 14:55:35 GMT 1
Post by soapystevens on Apr 28, 2024 14:55:35 GMT 1
Hogg can do a job for us at this level.
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Post by jimmythebulldog on Apr 28, 2024 14:56:07 GMT 1
Not even a question for me - no idea what the fuck has gone on behind the scenes in that dressing room but the man is a general on the field and that’s what we need in the changing room. Do I trust the club to find someone younger to replace him? Not a fucking chance. Wasn’t Kasuma that man? Keep Hoggy all day long - even if he transitions to a player / coach role at some point. And Rhodes - say what you want but the man knows where the goal is - exactly what we needed during the dark days of Dec/Jan/Feb - one more fucking stupid mistake to let him go and have nobody to step in. So with Danny Ward, Rhys Healey, Bojan Radulovic, Tyreece Simpson, Kian Harratt and Kyle Hudlin on the books for next season, your priority would be to hand a new contract to a 34 year old Jordan Rhodes? No, I was reflecting on the stupidity of letting a goal scorer go out on loan when that is exactly what we needed. As for next year - let’s see how the summer plays out but all options would be on the table for me. If we keep all the above then no, but someone like Rhodes as your third of fourth option (because boy do we need fucking options with our injury record) is no bad thing. My order would be something like - 1 -Healey 2 - Harratt (if the lad can stay out of the bookies and the gun shop he’ll be great at League one level) 3 - Radders 4- Ward / Rhodes - wise head to come on, calm things down and also helps on the training field Ideally we would have one more coming in so no need to Ward or Rhodes so lets see how it plays out. Hudlin - seen nothing to suggest he can step up but coaching staff can decide that
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Post by detox on Apr 28, 2024 14:58:00 GMT 1
The danger for Town is we'll end up signing a bunch of league one veterans on the cheap, coupled with a few has-beens on loan.Cutting our cloth to our new lowly status with reduced incomes. What we actually need it to strengthen by recruiting players that would also be good enough in higher leagues once we get out of league one..(hopefully). We do have some potential in our squad but lack direction and leadership on the pitch...that would be my first priority. It's not my money of course, but is a massive decision now for Nagle as to what he sees as the medium term future of his club. Having seen the state of our recruitment recently, I'd suggest that would be an improvement. haha...you're right ..
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Post by Wingman on Apr 28, 2024 14:59:44 GMT 1
Not even a question for me - no idea what the fuck has gone on behind the scenes in that dressing room but the man is a general on the field and that’s what we need in the changing room. Do I trust the club to find someone younger to replace him? Not a fucking chance. Wasn’t Kasuma that man? Keep Hoggy all day long - even if he transitions to a player / coach role at some point. And Rhodes - say what you want but the man knows where the goal is - exactly what we needed during the dark days of Dec/Jan/Feb - one more fucking stupid mistake to let him go and have nobody to step in. So with Danny Ward, Rhys Healey, Bojan Radulovic, Tyreece Simpson, Kian Harratt and Kyle Hudlin on the books for next season, your priority would be to hand a new contract to a 34 year old Jordan Rhodes? Rhodes will go, and I’d let Hudlin, Harratt, Ward and Simpson join him. Bojan could work with service and Healey has really grown on me. His efforts will be needed next season, but again, if we get the right offer for him then take it and reinvest.
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Post by uptownfunk on Apr 28, 2024 15:03:26 GMT 1
Should be number one priority now. Exactly what we need for that league. This won't go down well, but I think we should also be speaking to Rhodes. Been there and done it with us before and certainly proved this season he's good enough for an option from the bench should Healey/Radulovic stay. Let’s go the whole Hogg and get Hunty back from wendies, they’ll not need him in champs. Get Pelts back where’s he now ? Cardiff still no.. Roberts has retired, sadly. He could’ve replaced Sorba as a quieter crossing king.
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Post by fredcarno1 on Apr 28, 2024 15:09:55 GMT 1
So with Danny Ward, Rhys Healey, Bojan Radulovic, Tyreece Simpson, Kian Harratt and Kyle Hudlin on the books for next season, your priority would be to hand a new contract to a 34 year old Jordan Rhodes? Rhodes will go, and I’d let Hudlin, Harratt, Ward and Simpson join him. Bojan could work with service and Healey has really grown on me. His efforts will be needed next season, but again, if we get the right offer for him then take it and reinvest. Radulovic has been another shocking signing, lad looks like he just doesn’t fancy English football, he gets bullied everytime he plays. If he doesn’t fancy the physicality of the Championship can’t see him cutting it in League 1. As for the other strikers they can all go for me, although sadly I’m fully expecting towns social media to be full of content on how Ward is fit and firing in pre season. E
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Post by joburgjon on Apr 28, 2024 15:15:35 GMT 1
For the love of god no.
he’ll be 36 in early December
We need to move on from old players that have been part of a team that’s not won the majority of their matches over the last 5 or 6 seasons.
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Apr 28, 2024 15:18:49 GMT 1
Post by Tinpot on Apr 28, 2024 15:18:49 GMT 1
Should be number one priority now. Exactly what we need for that league. This won't go down well, but I think we should also be speaking to Rhodes. Been there and done it with us before and certainly proved this season he's good enough for an option from the bench should Healey/Radulovic stay. Let’s go the whole Hogg and get Hunty back from wendies, they’ll not need him in champs. Get Pelts back where’s he now ? Cardiff still no.. Roberts has retired, sadly. He could’ve replaced Sorba as a quieter crossing king. Bit late for that. He's at Bristol Rovers. (Peltier is at Rotherham, although you might not have realised that because he struggles to get in their team)
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Apr 28, 2024 15:20:22 GMT 1
Post by benhomly on Apr 28, 2024 15:20:22 GMT 1
So with Danny Ward, Rhys Healey, Bojan Radulovic, Tyreece Simpson, Kian Harratt and Kyle Hudlin on the books for next season, your priority would be to hand a new contract to a 34 year old Jordan Rhodes? No, I was reflecting on the stupidity of letting a goal scorer go out on loan when that is exactly what we needed. As for next year - let’s see how the summer plays out but all options would be on the table for me. If we keep all the above then no, but someone like Rhodes as your third of fourth option (because boy do we need fucking options with our injury record) is no bad thing. My order would be something like - 1 -Healey 2 - Harratt (if the lad can stay out of the bookies and the gun shop he’ll be great at League one level) 3 - Radders 4- Ward / Rhodes - wise head to come on, calm things down and also helps on the training field Ideally we would have one more coming in so no need to Ward or Rhodes so lets see how it plays out. Hudlin - seen nothing to suggest he can step up but coaching staff can decide that What has he ever done to make you think that? Seriously.
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Post by Tinpot on Apr 28, 2024 15:23:08 GMT 1
Rhodes will go, and I’d let Hudlin, Harratt, Ward and Simpson join him. Bojan could work with service and Healey has really grown on me. His efforts will be needed next season, but again, if we get the right offer for him then take it and reinvest. Radulovic has been another shocking signing, lad looks like he just doesn’t fancy English football, he gets bullied everytime he plays. If he doesn’t fancy the physicality of the Championship can’t see him cutting it in League 1. As for the other strikers they can all go for me, although sadly I’m fully expecting towns social media to be full of content on how Ward is fit and firing in pre season. E I don't think the issue is that he didn't fancy it. Look at his reaction to the goal at Stoke - that's not the response of somebody who doesn't fancy it. He's come from a league that just isn't nearly as physical as ours and has been bullied. A summer in the gym and a bit of time spent sharpening his elbows might (or might not!) yield results. I'd suggest next season is make or break for him.
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Post by jimmythebulldog on Apr 28, 2024 15:26:59 GMT 1
No, I was reflecting on the stupidity of letting a goal scorer go out on loan when that is exactly what we needed. As for next year - let’s see how the summer plays out but all options would be on the table for me. If we keep all the above then no, but someone like Rhodes as your third of fourth option (because boy do we need fucking options with our injury record) is no bad thing. My order would be something like - 1 -Healey 2 - Harratt (if the lad can stay out of the bookies and the gun shop he’ll be great at League one level) 3 - Radders 4- Ward / Rhodes - wise head to come on, calm things down and also helps on the training field Ideally we would have one more coming in so no need to Ward or Rhodes so lets see how it plays out. Hudlin - seen nothing to suggest he can step up but coaching staff can decide that What has he ever done to make you think that? Seriously. End of last season with Warnock - he had determination, put himself about and showed he knows where the goal is. With focus he’s a player - key word being focus!!
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Apr 28, 2024 15:30:17 GMT 1
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Post by CowshedJack on Apr 28, 2024 15:30:17 GMT 1
He definitely won’t want a testimonial match now
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Post by Detective Boyle on Apr 28, 2024 15:33:43 GMT 1
We are never ever going to learn, are we? The issue wouldn't be giving Hogg a new deal, it would be giving him a new deal and hoping High/Austerfield step up, meaning Hogg continues in the role as most important midfield player at the club. If he is re-signed as 5th choice behind 2 if not 3 new quality players then I think it's a good move from Town. Exact same goes for Ruffels, Koroma and Ward who should not have been resigned as starters but players you know what you get from them but have to compete with new additions. The new additions part is clearly what has been missing. Another issue though is that Town have 24 (or so) players on their books for next season, that doesn't include Hogg, Pearson, everyone else out of contract. Re-signing without shifting on others or shipping out the younger lot (Daley, Iorpenda as examples) on loan will result in players who should be back up ultimately being the first names on the team sheet. High??? No no no. A part of the reset should be a shift in the mindset away from playing academy players who are blatantly not good enough in the hope they come good because they are not good enough. No more Schofields, no more Highs, no more Daly’s, etc.
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Post by fredcarno1 on Apr 28, 2024 15:40:26 GMT 1
Radulovic has been another shocking signing, lad looks like he just doesn’t fancy English football, he gets bullied everytime he plays. If he doesn’t fancy the physicality of the Championship can’t see him cutting it in League 1. As for the other strikers they can all go for me, although sadly I’m fully expecting towns social media to be full of content on how Ward is fit and firing in pre season. E I don't think the issue is that he didn't fancy it. Look at his reaction to the goal at Stoke - that's not the response of somebody who doesn't fancy it. He's come from a league that just isn't nearly as physical as ours and has been bullied. A summer in the gym and a bit of time spent sharpening his elbows might (or might not!) yield results. I'd suggest next season is make or break for him. I meant more he doesn’t fancy any kind of physical battle, think you’re right though. Shows the naivety of our recruitment team when we were crying out for a ready to go striker since August and we sign one off the back of a long injury in Healy and Radulovic who hadn’t really played for 3 months in a semi pro league. Healy is the only striker currently on the books that I’d want to keep tbh.
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Post by fredcarno1 on Apr 28, 2024 15:43:41 GMT 1
What has he ever done to make you think that? Seriously. End of last season with Warnock - he had determination, put himself about and showed he knows where the goal is. With focus he’s a player - key word being focus!! ’ ‘He’s a player’ - is this along the lines of Diarra, High, Grant, Pat jones, Jackson, Austerfield, Rowe, Critchlow, Simpson, Duhaney, Headley, Schofield, Bilokopic who were all going to be brilliant.
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Post by Kirchenglocken on Apr 28, 2024 15:47:04 GMT 1
The issue wouldn't be giving Hogg a new deal, it would be giving him a new deal and hoping High/Austerfield step up, meaning Hogg continues in the role as most important midfield player at the club. If he is re-signed as 5th choice behind 2 if not 3 new quality players then I think it's a good move from Town. Exact same goes for Ruffels, Koroma and Ward who should not have been resigned as starters but players you know what you get from them but have to compete with new additions. The new additions part is clearly what has been missing. Another issue though is that Town have 24 (or so) players on their books for next season, that doesn't include Hogg, Pearson, everyone else out of contract. Re-signing without shifting on others or shipping out the younger lot (Daley, Iorpenda as examples) on loan will result in players who should be back up ultimately being the first names on the team sheet. High??? No no no. A part of the reset should be a shift in the mindset away from playing academy players who are blatantly not good enough in the hope they come good because they are not good enough. No more Schofields, no more Highs, no more Daly’s, etc. Up to the club to shift away from it. Groundwork was done last summer to be fair clearing out lots of players taking up space without any use and there are a few more out of contract this summer. Many will have to be moved on though as under contract, hopefully the club isn't hamstrung with several who get no better offer than to stay earning their wages at Town cause the only option then is to pay them off.
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Post by Tinpot on Apr 28, 2024 15:54:41 GMT 1
The issue wouldn't be giving Hogg a new deal, it would be giving him a new deal and hoping High/Austerfield step up, meaning Hogg continues in the role as most important midfield player at the club. If he is re-signed as 5th choice behind 2 if not 3 new quality players then I think it's a good move from Town. Exact same goes for Ruffels, Koroma and Ward who should not have been resigned as starters but players you know what you get from them but have to compete with new additions. The new additions part is clearly what has been missing. Another issue though is that Town have 24 (or so) players on their books for next season, that doesn't include Hogg, Pearson, everyone else out of contract. Re-signing without shifting on others or shipping out the younger lot (Daley, Iorpenda as examples) on loan will result in players who should be back up ultimately being the first names on the team sheet. High??? No no no. A part of the reset should be a shift in the mindset away from playing academy players who are blatantly not good enough in the hope they come good because they are not good enough. No more Schofields, no more Highs, no more Daly’s, etc. You've got to take the Highs with the lows. Or the Lowes, if we're bringing back former players from the 2017 promotion era.
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Post by sonny on Apr 28, 2024 15:55:19 GMT 1
An immobile central midfielder who can't pass. Just what we need. League 1 will be a breeze for him. And of course that other club stalwart Danny 'Phoenix' Ward will be scoring for fun.
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Post by sheps on Apr 28, 2024 15:59:37 GMT 1
If we can't find anyone with more passion, experience and an all round better player/captain then to be honest I would give him the type of deal Dean Whitehead had, that player coach role.
It's amazing easy option but he will be a great squad player in league one,
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Post by ossetthtfc on Apr 28, 2024 16:30:24 GMT 1
Give Hogg a player-coach role, and a very big say in the vetting process of bringing in players who put the team above self.
We need more characters like Hogg who genuinely give 100% for the cause and don't go missing / split the dressing room.
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Post by galpharm2400 on Apr 28, 2024 16:44:13 GMT 1
An immobile central midfielder who can't pass. Just what we need. League 1 will be a breeze for him. And of course that other club stalwart Danny 'Phoenix' Ward will be scoring for fun. Its a no from me simply on wages required. Its the first division and we really, honestly, should be able to find 2 players who are as or more useful to a promotion push than them. How many games would they miss for a start.? No finance and playing wise it would be unwise.
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Post by Big Ern on Apr 28, 2024 16:49:43 GMT 1
Rhodes will go, and I’d let Hudlin, Harratt, Ward and Simpson join him. Bojan could work with service and Healey has really grown on me. His efforts will be needed next season, but again, if we get the right offer for him then take it and reinvest. Radulovic has been another shocking signing, lad looks like he just doesn’t fancy English football, he gets bullied everytime he plays. If he doesn’t fancy the physicality of the Championship can’t see him cutting it in League 1. As for the other strikers they can all go for me, although sadly I’m fully expecting towns social media to be full of content on how Ward is fit and firing in pre season. E What has Healey done wrong? Even unfit he has scored 3 goals in what is the equivalent of 4.8 games for us this season. I would say that's a decent record and one that would be improved in league 1
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Post by rougeboy31 on Apr 28, 2024 17:25:18 GMT 1
So with Danny Ward, Rhys Healey, Bojan Radulovic, Tyreece Simpson, Kian Harratt and Kyle Hudlin on the books for next season, your priority would be to hand a new contract to a 34 year old Jordan Rhodes? Rhodes will go, and I’d let Hudlin, Harratt, Ward and Simpson join him. Bojan could work with service and Healey has really grown on me. His efforts will be needed next season, but again, if we get the right offer for him then take it and reinvest. I’d personally give simpson a chance, not because of his goal record, but because he’s the only player out of these with actual pace.
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Post by jimmythebulldog on Apr 28, 2024 17:35:37 GMT 1
End of last season with Warnock - he had determination, put himself about and showed he knows where the goal is. With focus he’s a player - key word being focus!! ’ ‘He’s a player’ - is this along the lines of Diarra, High, Grant, Pat jones, Jackson, Austerfield, Rowe, Critchlow, Simpson, Duhaney, Headley, Schofield, Bilokopic who were all going to be brilliant. Can’t argue with that list - not sure I ever said any of those would be ‘brilliant’ or a flag for them but I get your point. I thought KH did well at the end of last season with Warnock - If you have a different view that’s completely fine. I would give him a shot - doesn’t work out he goes out on loan.
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