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Post by turbo2 on Apr 28, 2024 17:38:18 GMT 1
We need to reset. To do that we don’t renew anyone whose contract is about to expire.
Helik will get snapped up. Hopefully for enough money to allow some new recruits.
I wouldn’t turn down any decent offer for any player such is the need to get rid of the losing mentality. I don’t really blame the players, I’don’t really think anyone has not tried they just simply aren’t good enough
Anyone thinks this lot will rip L1 apart is deluded imho
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Post by melbourneterrier on Apr 29, 2024 4:59:07 GMT 1
I'm 50/50 on this.
I completely understand those in the camp of not extending him. We do need a refresh, and Hogg has been through ALOT of the losing times (Not blaming him at all, he also went through the promotion season, and got to the play off final etc). He's obviously at the back end of his career, and one would question if he can be a regular starter, or if his legs can keep up.
I also completely understand those wanting to keep him. He is a terrier through and through. He's a natural leader. A voice when we need some form of stability while rebuilding.
I'm very interested to see what our Retained list, purely on what happens to Hoggy alone.
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Post by berlinterrier on Apr 29, 2024 7:13:32 GMT 1
Rhodes will go, and I’d let Hudlin, Harratt, Ward and Simpson join him. Bojan could work with service and Healey has really grown on me. His efforts will be needed next season, but again, if we get the right offer for him then take it and reinvest. I’d personally give simpson a chance, not because of his goal record, but because he’s the only player out of these with actual pace. He has struggled to get in the Northampton side this season. Only managed 3 goals. No thanks.
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Post by mickydombat on Apr 29, 2024 14:48:48 GMT 1
He shouldn't have been retained last time, can't tackle, shoot or pass. For a midfield player that's pretty damning. He also bollox everyone for his mistakes. Yes he's tried, but time to say thanks and goodbye. He's earn a good living we owe him not money but appreciation fir standing 10 years with our roller coaster club.
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Post by Spike24 on Apr 29, 2024 14:56:41 GMT 1
One thing remains from the sh!tshow since the pl, and that's him, he is and always has been captain since then. Countless managers have come and gone, dressing rooms divided, and disputes galore. This guy should be galvanising and uniting dressing rooms, but all that's happened under his watch is disputes and managers undermined, and I can't help but think he's played a part in that. I'm sure it wouldn't of happened if a Hefele had remained all these years. Time to go jonny, thanks for your service, time for a reset. X
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Post by garyroberts'leftfoot on Apr 29, 2024 14:59:20 GMT 1
I would offer him another year on a reduced wage.
He is massively undervalued on here and we do better with him in the team than without (the stats back this up).
He isn’t going to dictate play or drive us forwards but with better players around him he can help regain possession and play simple passes. He would also be useful to come off the bench to help us see out a game when in front.
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Post by Ross83 on Apr 29, 2024 15:00:12 GMT 1
Hoggy has had a poor season, as they all have but not sure how anyone can point the finger at him and suggest he should be released.
Are we all aware we're heading to L1? A league that requires grit and graft?
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Post by bluebell on Apr 29, 2024 15:04:20 GMT 1
Hoggy has had a poor season, as they all have but not sure how anyone can point the finger at him and suggest he should be released. Are we all aware we're heading to L1? A league that requires grit and graft? yes totally, but on his wages and lets face it his injury record is now getting on the high side. It all depends on the role, that hogg would be willing to have/ of less importance and lower his wages big time . It also depends on how much money/ investment nagle is going to make, as i really do think we need a wholesale change to the squad , to change the mentaility and the direction in which we have gone over the last 18 months or so. It also depends on the manager/ head coach, if you want a high pressing team, you will need a younger more dynamic team, extra pace etc. it all depends on the variables for me.
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Post by Ross83 on Apr 29, 2024 15:10:04 GMT 1
Hoggy has had a poor season, as they all have but not sure how anyone can point the finger at him and suggest he should be released. Are we all aware we're heading to L1? A league that requires grit and graft? yes totally, but on his wages and lets face it his injury record is now getting on the high side. It all depends on the role, that hogg would be willing to have/ of less importance and lower his wages big time . It also depends on how much money/ investment nagle is going to make, as i really do think we need a wholesale change to the squad , to change the mentaility and the direction in which we have gone over the last 18 months or so. It also depends on the manager/ head coach, if you want a high pressing team, you will need a younger more dynamic team, extra pace etc. it all depends on the variables for me. If I recall the figures posted on here, how accurate they we're I'm not sure, but Hogg was one of the lower earners. I think Cowley also suggested he took a pay cut when his contract was extended under his tenure. I do agree we need a clear out, a reset, but Hoggy would be one of the only one's I'd keep, from the realistic retained list.
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Post by Tim Nice But Dim on Apr 29, 2024 15:10:09 GMT 1
I would offer him another year on a reduced wage. He is massively undervalued on here and we do better with him in the team than without (the stats back this up). He isn’t going to dictate play or drive us forwards but with better players around him he can help regain possession and play simple passes. He would also be useful to come off the bench to help us see out a game when in front. I agree, we are better when he plays for us. His distribution is poor but more often than not he is in the right place, he makes mistakes but who doesn't.
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Post by bluebell on Apr 29, 2024 15:13:57 GMT 1
yes totally, but on his wages and lets face it his injury record is now getting on the high side. It all depends on the role, that hogg would be willing to have/ of less importance and lower his wages big time . It also depends on how much money/ investment nagle is going to make, as i really do think we need a wholesale change to the squad , to change the mentaility and the direction in which we have gone over the last 18 months or so. It also depends on the manager/ head coach, if you want a high pressing team, you will need a younger more dynamic team, extra pace etc. it all depends on the variables for me. If I recall the figures posted on here, how accurate they we're I'm not sure, but Hogg was one of the lower earners. I think Cowley also suggested he took a pay cut when his contract was extended under his tenure. I do agree we need a clear out, a reset, but Hoggy would be one of the only one's I'd keep, from the realistic retained list. but what i am getting at is, that his role should be lesser than it currently is, as he is 35 after all, he could be a very good bench player to come on for example. But i think many have thought this since relegation from the prem, that town don't seem to have thought about a future either after hogg, or a future where his role is not a regular starter. I also think it would help prelong his career also, if he was an impact sub/ coming on to help not starting week in week out. What other 35 year old plus players start if fit week in week out ? so this is something to very much think about.
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Post by Spike24 on Apr 29, 2024 15:14:37 GMT 1
yes totally, but on his wages and lets face it his injury record is now getting on the high side. It all depends on the role, that hogg would be willing to have/ of less importance and lower his wages big time . It also depends on how much money/ investment nagle is going to make, as i really do think we need a wholesale change to the squad , to change the mentaility and the direction in which we have gone over the last 18 months or so. It also depends on the manager/ head coach, if you want a high pressing team, you will need a younger more dynamic team, extra pace etc. it all depends on the variables for me. If I recall the figures posted on here, how accurate they we're I'm not sure, but Hogg was one of the lower earners. I think Cowley also suggested he took a pay cut when his contract was extended under his tenure. I do agree we need a clear out, a reset, but Hoggy would be one of the only one's I'd keep, from the realistic retained list. I disagree. I reckon he's a bit of a bad egg.
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Post by ponteterrier on Apr 29, 2024 15:43:09 GMT 1
Time to get rid or retire.
He's been a great servant, I would have him working in the club in some role but not as a player.
We need some fresh blood coming in and I don't think his legs will have the pace or energy for league 1.
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Post by berlinterrier on Apr 29, 2024 16:01:10 GMT 1
Is there any truth behind the rumours that Hoggy can be a prickly character when he doesn’t get his own way?
Many of us have this idea of him being a model professional, hard worker, leading by example etc, but I have heard that he was complaining recently about training schedules. I just wonder how “onboard” he was, and if he wasn’t, who on earth he thinks he is?
Anyone heard something similar?
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Post by Ross83 on Apr 29, 2024 16:02:03 GMT 1
If I recall the figures posted on here, how accurate they we're I'm not sure, but Hogg was one of the lower earners. I think Cowley also suggested he took a pay cut when his contract was extended under his tenure. I do agree we need a clear out, a reset, but Hoggy would be one of the only one's I'd keep, from the realistic retained list. I disagree. I reckon he's a bit of a bad egg. I very much doubt that. He's been captain and first name on the teamsheet for every manager / caretaker manager we've ever had, and there's been plenty.
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Post by runner76 on Apr 29, 2024 16:02:12 GMT 1
Hear today he’d downed tools and walked out after a bust up….
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Post by bogart on Apr 29, 2024 16:11:04 GMT 1
He is much too slow and I think now a devisive element in the team. For many a year has looked around and berated others for goals conceeeded as if himself is blameless.
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Apr 29, 2024 16:26:52 GMT 1
Hear today he’d downed tools and walked out after a bust up…. Hogg has had a bust up? Who with and why? We are nosy buggers, aren’t we?
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Post by Walton-on-the-Hill Terrier on Apr 29, 2024 16:34:45 GMT 1
Sutton United have today announced their retained list; they’ve released 13 players, including their captain Craig Eastmond.
Huge parallels with Jonny Hogg. Eastmond played a game or two for Arsenal (as did Hogg with Villa), but had served Sutton for twelve years or more as their captain, goal-scoring combative midfielder and talisman. 35 years old now and has had an injury-plagued season.
Great servants to their respective clubs, Eastmond and Hogg, but their time is up. Thank you and goodbye…..
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 29, 2024 16:41:35 GMT 1
Sutton United have today announced their retained list; they’ve released 13 players, including their captain Craig Eastmond. Huge parallels with Jonny Hogg. Eastmond played a game or two for Arsenal (as did Hogg with Villa), but had served Sutton for twelve years or more as their captain, goal-scoring combative midfielder and talisman. 35 years old now and has had an injury-plagued season. Great servants to their respective clubs, Eastmond and Hogg, but their time is up. Thank you and goodbye….. Sentiment gets you nowhere in football.
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Post by tepidterrier on Apr 29, 2024 16:43:52 GMT 1
Is there any truth behind the rumours that Hoggy can be a prickly character when he doesn’t get his own way? Many of us have this idea of him being a model professional, hard worker, leading by example etc, but I have heard that he was complaining recently about training schedules. I just wonder how “onboard” he was, and if he wasn’t, who on earth he thinks he is? Anyone heard something similar? Also heard this. If he likes the manager he's fantastic
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 29, 2024 16:44:16 GMT 1
Is there any truth behind the rumours that Hoggy can be a prickly character when he doesn’t get his own way? Many of us have this idea of him being a model professional, hard worker, leading by example etc, but I have heard that he was complaining recently about training schedules. I just wonder how “onboard” he was, and if he wasn’t, who on earth he thinks he is? Anyone heard something similar? Also heard this. If he likes the manager he's fantastic Ask Jan Siewert about him.
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Post by Spike24 on Apr 29, 2024 16:50:38 GMT 1
Hear today he’d downed tools and walked out after a bust up…. If that's the case then that kind of proves a point. He has a huge say in the dressing room and I reckon he has thrown a fair few managers under the bus with his influence. Bye bye jonny!
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Post by buckers on Apr 29, 2024 16:53:34 GMT 1
Also heard this. If he likes the manager he's fantastic Ask Jan Siewert about him. Ask Aaron Mooy about Jan Siewart.
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Post by bluestripe on Apr 29, 2024 16:56:17 GMT 1
Hoggy has had a poor season, as they all have but not sure how anyone can point the finger at him and suggest he should be released. Are we all aware we're heading to L1? A league that requires grit and graft? yes totally, but on his wages and lets face it his injury record is now getting on the high side . It all depends on the role, that hogg would be willing to have/ of less importance and lower his wages big time . It also depends on how much money/ investment nagle is going to make, as i really do think we need a wholesale change to the squad , to change the mentaility and the direction in which we have gone over the last 18 months or so. It also depends on the manager/ head coach, if you want a high pressing team, you will need a younger more dynamic team, extra pace etc. it all depends on the variables for me. Appearances (source: Soccerbase) 2013-14 37 2014-15 25 2015-16 24 2021-22 37 2022-23 31 2023-24 35
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 29, 2024 16:56:47 GMT 1
Hear today he’d downed tools and walked out after a bust up…. If that's the case then that kind of proves a point. He has a huge say in the dressing room and I reckon he has thrown a fair few managers under the bus with his influence. Bye bye jonny!He's staying.
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 29, 2024 16:57:21 GMT 1
Ask Jan Siewert about him. Ask Aaron Mooy about Jan Siewart. I will do in 2034.
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Post by bluebell on Apr 29, 2024 17:07:25 GMT 1
yes totally, but on his wages and lets face it his injury record is now getting on the high side . It all depends on the role, that hogg would be willing to have/ of less importance and lower his wages big time . It also depends on how much money/ investment nagle is going to make, as i really do think we need a wholesale change to the squad , to change the mentaility and the direction in which we have gone over the last 18 months or so. It also depends on the manager/ head coach, if you want a high pressing team, you will need a younger more dynamic team, extra pace etc. it all depends on the variables for me. Appearances (source: Soccerbase) 2013-14 37 2014-15 25 2015-16 24 2021-22 37 2022-23 31 2023-24 35 yes i understand this, but in the past 2 seasons alone, he has missed 12 games . what i am talking about is you cannot and should be relying on players of his age, to play week in week out. What other club has a player of 35 years of age starting every game when fit ? he simply sin't the player he was and nor should he be at 35 as he was at 30/31 , he is slowing down regardless of what we as fans want or think. We have to move on , not saying he can't play his part, but as a gaurnteed starter , those days should be over now and he should be playing the role Whithead did under wagner for example.
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Post by bluestripe on Apr 29, 2024 17:09:09 GMT 1
If that's the case then that kind of proves a point. He has a huge say in the dressing room and I reckon he has thrown a fair few managers under the bus with his influence. Bye bye jonny!He's staying. Do you know if AB has had input into that decision?
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Post by htafcokay on Apr 29, 2024 17:09:52 GMT 1
Do you know if AB has had input into that decision? No idea. I imagine not, as it seems that Hogg just has a rolling contract that is extended automatically.
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