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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2008 23:00:12 GMT 1
My mate was in the academy up to a late age and he wasn't very fond of Gerry. Said that he wasn't very knowledgable of who the decent players were and more often than not overly relied on the assistance of his backroom team. He also mentioned Gerry could be a bit of a bully himself and would often shout and ball at players. That however is just his opinion.
My worry about Gerry is the fact that any half decent youth player who can play above League 1 seems to get snapped up from under his nose or he can't handle them... Duff, Jerome, Campbell, Lazarus-Noble to name but a few...
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Post by andygolcar on Nov 1, 2008 23:19:54 GMT 1
I take it this mate didn't make the grade....so blamed his coach (Murphy)? Easy way out to blame someone else for not being good enough init ?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2008 23:29:36 GMT 1
I take it this mate didn't make the grade....so blamed his coach (Murphy)? Easy way out to blame someone else for not being good enough init ? No he didn't, but he said the same things in confidence while he was in the academy yet he was glowing in his praise for his coach at the time Ashley Grimes. At no point has he bared any resentment or blamed anyone for him not been signed. Although he was a tad unlucky that it was the year we went into admin when he was released and we didn't take on as many scholars as we usually would else he probably would have gone on seeing as he was parents/supporters player of the year and outscored McAliskey despite playing most games as centre back because McCombe was always injured - I'm more resentful than him ;D
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Post by TomTheTerrier on Nov 1, 2008 23:47:25 GMT 1
I can see what point Bro is making here in regards to Murphy and I am inclined to agree somewhat.
We all know Murphy has been a great servant to this club through his work with the academy, and nobody doubts that, but perhaps his standing among the fans and how he is regarded, as well as his levity within the club can undermine a new manager.
I'd roughly compare the situation to the 'Alan Shearer' effect at Newcastle, where his standing with the fans and his apparently imminent appointment (this obviously does not relate to Murphy) can serve to undermine any new manager appointed.
Obviously I have no grounds to question Gerry's professionalism whatsoever, and no inclination as to the comments he may or may not have made, just making a suggestion.
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Post by jasond on Nov 2, 2008 0:04:35 GMT 1
I have known Gerry Murphy for a number of years, and the last thing you could ever say about him is that he is 'unprofessional' in any way! I have been in Peter Jackson's office after games on numerous occasions with Gerry present, too... without the slightest hint of there ever being a problem between them. Quite the opposite, in fact! Andy Booth is recovering at home from an operation he had in Croydon on Tuesday and hasn't been anywhere near first team matters for weeks, so why he should be game for a 'pop at' at this very moment is interesting. Are you clutching at straws for Stan's abysmal managing of the side so far, Bro? Far from it.. Just wondering if the broom shouldn't be used to clear the decks altogether and make a complete new start. I like the sound of that Bro - complete new start - from the garrulous kitman upwards
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Post by nseventee on Nov 2, 2008 0:11:43 GMT 1
Kitman is the source of all evil. Until he leaves we're going nowhere.
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Post by nseventee on Nov 2, 2008 0:45:40 GMT 1
Yes. That's right.
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Post by jasond on Nov 2, 2008 0:47:58 GMT 1
yeah great idea sack people cos we need a new start, This is peoples lives we are talking about. The other day I saw Martyn Booty working on the road works at the end of Wakefield Road, not saying he deserved to stay but you want people sacked who are just trying to do a job. who gives a fuck? Booty is one of the most apalling players I have ever seen turn out for Town. What he has to break sweat to earn his wage now? Welcome to the world outside football you couldnt couldnt cut it now you have to graft like me and most on this board. Excuse me while I conduct my orchestra of violins and whale noises just to help the poor little boy
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Post by wonderousworthy on Nov 2, 2008 0:51:07 GMT 1
My worry about Gerry is the fact that any half decent youth player who can play above League 1 seems to get snapped up from under his nose or he can't handle them... Duff, Jerome, Campbell, Lazarus-Noble to name but a few... Only Duff in that list was snapped up by a higher club and that was due to Gerry dwindling whether to sign him or not. Jerome was too big for his boots and went to twoo other clubs before Cardiff, CAmpbell was picked up by Man Utd at the age of 10 (my friends sister knows him ) and that lad from barnsley is there as his brother is a coach. BUT the academy lot barring Stead, Holdsworth, WOrthy and possibly Clarke aren't that good in all honesty.
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Post by queensburyterrier on Nov 2, 2008 0:54:50 GMT 1
Franklin, that's the most stupid thing I've ever heard.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2008 0:56:36 GMT 1
My worry about Gerry is the fact that any half decent youth player who can play above League 1 seems to get snapped up from under his nose or he can't handle them... Duff, Jerome, Campbell, Lazarus-Noble to name but a few... Only Duff in that list was snapped up by a higher club and that was due to Gerry dwindling whether to sign him or not. Jerome was too big for his boots and went to twoo other clubs before Cardiff, CAmpbell was picked up by Man Utd at the age of 10 (my friends sister knows him ) and that lad from barnsley is there as his brother is a coach. BUT the academy lot barring Stead, Holdsworth, WOrthy and possibly Clarke aren't that good in all honesty. My point was that he couldn't handle Jerome so a quality player left because of a lack of man management which has ended up potentially costing the club several million. Campbell should have been picked up prior to 10 like some of the other academy prospects were and Lazarus-Noble left us and was on the books. Again - potential mismanagement letting somebody leave who in future could be worth millions...
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Post by iangreaves on Nov 2, 2008 10:13:20 GMT 1
I don't know what the relationship is between manager and Gerry Murphy. I thought 'director of football' was just a nominal title, but if it is a similar kind of set up to the one that Spurs and others have tried I am worried. And if the stories about interfering with Ritchie's management of the team are true it looks that way. To be honest, I would be surprised if an experienced manager like Ternent would have agreed to take a job where he had someone who could sit back and avoid all responsibility interfering with how he managed the team. If Gerry Murphy wants some input into how the first team is run he should have taken the manager's job and along with it the responsibilioty for poor results.
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Post by Scissett Terrier! on Nov 2, 2008 10:20:20 GMT 1
I don't know what the relationship is between manager and Gerry Murphy. I thought 'director of football' was just a nominal title, but if it is a similar kind of set up to the one that Spurs and others have tried I am worried. And if the stories about interfering with Ritchie's management of the team are true it looks that way. To be honest, I would be surprised if an experienced manager like Ternent would have agreed to take a job where he had someone who could sit back and avoid all responsibility interfering with how he managed the team. If Gerry Murphy wants some input into how the first team is run he should have taken the manager's job and along with it the responsibilioty for poor results. well said greavesy Murphy is part of problem from where im standing, a full review of where the academy is going and where it wants to be also needs to take place, the players upto about 17 seem good but we dont seem to be able to move them to the next level and behond. if the money spent on the acadmy is to be justified this needs sorting out over the next few years.
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Post by Captainslapper on Nov 2, 2008 10:33:47 GMT 1
Where does it say Murphy is a Director of Football? I always thought he was the Academy Director. So the 2 old men don't get on. Not a great surprise is it. Ternent can't stand having other influential characters around ( eg-Page) and probably tries to undermine and dominate Murphy at every opportunity. Murphy on the other hand has been here donkeys years and maybe thinks hes above the authority of the 1st team manager. He's wrong. ternents dismissed all Murphys work and the academy in general. he prefers to go out and bring quality players to the club doesn't he! cough-Jones-cough ,lol
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Post by iangreaves on Nov 2, 2008 10:47:51 GMT 1
Director of football development is his full title, apparently. If he has been trying to interfere in the running of the first team, as has been suggested in this thread, I think that is bad news. That kind of set-up has failed miserably elsewhere in English football and it will here. Spurs have had to change to a conventional set-up with Redknapp. It is only right that the man whose neck is on the line - i.e. the manager - should have complete control over team affairs. As I said, if Gerry had wanted to influence the first team, he could have taken the manager's job. People who seem to be in the know say he didn't want it and that was the impression he gave in interviews whilst he was in temporary charge. I don't blame him. How he is at the moment, he is fire-proof.
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Post by kleverboy on Nov 2, 2008 10:57:45 GMT 1
ternents dismissed all Murphys work and the academy in general. he prefers to go out and bring quality players to the club doesn't he! cough-Jones-cough ,lol Exactly, Captain! Stan's p**sed a small fortune up the wall and created less than we already had at the back end of last season. Takes some doing that! Ten purchases and NOT ONE CLASS ACT! If you disagree with me, then name me one... ANY one. Whoever you choose, I'll be able to p**s myself laughing all day!
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Post by iangreaves on Nov 2, 2008 11:00:17 GMT 1
If you disagree with me, then name me one... ANY one. Whoever you choose, I'll be able to p**s myself laughing all day! Roberts
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Post by kleverboy on Nov 2, 2008 11:03:06 GMT 1
If you disagree with me, then name me one... ANY one. Whoever you choose, I'll be able to p**s myself laughing all day! Roberts One good game in every three makes a CLASS act does it?
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Post by Scissett Terrier! on Nov 2, 2008 11:04:31 GMT 1
If you disagree with me, then name me one... ANY one. Whoever you choose, I'll be able to p**s myself laughing all day! Roberts Parker I dont actually think we have a bad squad again we didnt get the positions we needed to in the summer - how often is that the case with town? every bloody summer hopefully we will pick up and be 10-14 at xmas and then stan needs to strenghten where in jan where he forgot to in the summer and push on from there.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2008 11:10:55 GMT 1
If you disagree with me, then name me one... ANY one. Whoever you choose, I'll be able to p**s myself laughing all day! Roberts Roberts isnt a class act, he is a slightly better version of schofield but only slightly
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Post by kleverboy on Nov 2, 2008 11:14:14 GMT 1
Parker I dont actually think we have a bad squad again we didnt get the positions we needed to in the summer - how often is that the case with town? every bloody summer hopefully we will pick up and be 10-14 at xmas and then stan needs to strenghten where in jan where he forgot to in the summer and push on from there. Parker... pick of the bunch, I'll give you that. But I'd hardly describe him as a class act! By the way, Preston... if we are still s**te after 19 matches with a meagre haul of points and out of all cups will we still have to wait for this 20th match you speak of to come to a judgement on Stanley?
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Post by turbo2 on Nov 2, 2008 11:18:56 GMT 1
Roberts? PMSL
You really should watch his game. 3 or 4 times each game he gets the ball and sets off running. Like many a town winger down the years, the only thing that stops him ending up on Leeds Road is cos the gates are closed. As for been a winger. Danny offered more damned width
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Post by rotary on Nov 2, 2008 11:19:43 GMT 1
Side issue. Get rid of the main issue.
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Post by Scissett Terrier! on Nov 2, 2008 11:31:51 GMT 1
Parker I dont actually think we have a bad squad again we didnt get the positions we needed to in the summer - how often is that the case with town? every bloody summer hopefully we will pick up and be 10-14 at xmas and then stan needs to strenghten where in jan where he forgot to in the summer and push on from there. Parker... pick of the bunch, I'll give you that. But I'd hardly describe him as a class act! By the way, Preston... if we are still s**te after 19 matches with a meagre haul of points and out of all cups will we still have to wait for this 20th match you speak of to come to a judgement on Stanley? no ill be sensible about it, there times ive wavered and though f**k it get on the phone to Burton Albion but for now ill stick with it! as for Parker just wait i think he'll be a class act for town!
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Post by timrankhan on Nov 2, 2008 11:36:54 GMT 1
Whilst Gerry Murphy is clearly town through and through he never got on with Jacko and disliked andy ritchie at best...Stan and him dont spk and if we are being honest has our academy produced any players of note...apart from stead?
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Post by franklincomesalive on Nov 2, 2008 11:40:04 GMT 1
Yes the academy has done what it is meant to do (supplement our first team) Clarke, Holdsworth, Worthington have all played 200 odd games for Town. I didn't realise the only point of an academy was to sell players on.
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Post by Scissett Terrier! on Nov 2, 2008 11:48:20 GMT 1
Yes the academy has done what it is meant to do (supplement our first team) Clarke, Holdsworth, Worthington have all played 200 odd games for Town. I didn't realise the only point of an academy was to sell players on. whoose said it is to sell players on? i think its to produce the potential to develop into quality players who will take town forward. problem is we dont develop them once they reach first team level and they become very average players IMO we have to change this!
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Post by franklincomesalive on Nov 2, 2008 11:56:46 GMT 1
A fair few people simply look at the people we have sold from our academy. I agree that it is there to profit Town and I think that it does. The problem is that too many came through too soon. Some good and some poor. It has to be harder to get into the first team, and thats what has to change
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Post by therealyogibear on Nov 2, 2008 12:15:44 GMT 1
Roberts isnt a class act, he is a slightly better version of schofield but only slightly Here we go, now we start slating our best players too. Roberts is different class and with better service from some of the others who admittedly don't seem great he would show it more often. The way we play means he has to feed off scraps, knockdowns etc. If we actually played the ball on the floor and moved the ball round quickly Roberts is the sort of player to capitalise on this. If you really can't see how good he is, you're clearly only interested in the low quality, high effort players who seem to win us nothing year after year
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Post by Richard1986 on Nov 2, 2008 12:17:24 GMT 1
Could be the ones to rectify something from the mess, which is this season. It's starting to become a regular occurrence Don't think getting rid of them is the answer, quite the opposite
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