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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jan 4, 2009 11:24:08 GMT 1
We seem to be playing quite well and getting results without Worthy at the moment, does he have a future at Town. Not wanting to bug the people who produce the statistics that we stand a better chance of winning when he is playing. Imo he needs to be playing first team football and could do well elsewhere.
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Post by iangreaves on Jan 4, 2009 11:27:20 GMT 1
I think there's talk of him going to Lincoln or Bradford.
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jan 4, 2009 11:29:58 GMT 1
He would do a great job for jacko at Lincoln, maybe then. Dont want to see him in turd chicken shirt.
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Post by terrierng on Jan 4, 2009 11:43:20 GMT 1
i think even speciulans stats will struggle to show we vare better with him in the team THIS season,although i would like to see flynn given a fair try if injuries occur i would only get rid of worthy for a decent fee,i at the moment he cant grt in the team due to goodwin playing well enough to keep the shirt,however he needs to keep it up as at last we have good competotion for places,but on the otherhand if we need to sell any midfielder i can see him going as he is the only one worth anything whose not near the team.
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Post by shawsie on Jan 4, 2009 11:47:16 GMT 1
He would do a great job for jacko at Lincoln, maybe then. Dont want to see him in turd chicken shirt. A great league 2 player and an average league 1 operator - simply not good enough for where we want to go and i would allow the lad to move elsewhere for his own benefit - not sadford though because he may be the man to help them get promotion! If rumours are to be believed, has not impressed the current mgmt team on the training field hence his exit from the matchday 16 man squad. |
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Post by cdfan on Jan 4, 2009 12:03:05 GMT 1
He would do a great job for jacko at Lincoln, maybe then. Dont want to see him in turd chicken shirt. A great league 2 player and an average league 1 operator - simply not good enough for where we want to go and i would allow the lad to move elsewhere for his own benefit - not sadford though because he may be the man to help them get promotion! If rumours are to be believed, has not impressed the current mgmt team on the training field hence his exit from the matchday 16 man squad. I think if he goes, it will probably be Bradford since the club's on his doorstep. And I look forward to our derbys with City. It also brings the club much needed revenue. |
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Post by Scissett Terrier! on Jan 4, 2009 12:03:21 GMT 1
lets get him out to lincoln and help jacko out.
he isnt good enough for this league.
i wish him all the best when he does move on and thank him for his efforts, i feel he will be one of the first out!
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Post by upthetown on Jan 4, 2009 12:10:42 GMT 1
I cannot believe people would even consider selling worthy!
Great as it is to see Goodwin playing out of his skin at the moment, he wouldn't have the same pressure on his place if worthy was to be sold. Only Goodwin and Worthy out of the players we have at the club can play that sort of role, and for the first time in years we have competition for places. Keep them both.
Get shut of the deadwood.... lucketti, unsworth, kamara, and either parker or jevons.
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Post by Scissett Terrier! on Jan 4, 2009 12:30:38 GMT 1
I cannot believe people would even consider selling worthy! Great as it is to see Goodwin playing out of his skin at the moment, he wouldn't have the same pressure on his place if worthy was to be sold. Only Goodwin and Worthy out of the players we have at the club can play that sort of role, and for the first time in years we have competition for places. Keep them both. Get shut of the deadwood.... lucketti, unsworth, kamara, and either parker or jevons. berrett can play that role too, and is a far better passer of the ball than worthy and not reckless like him. and another option would be tom clarke who has player very well in that roll before worthy will be on his way if someone comes in for him |
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Post by terrierng on Jan 4, 2009 12:33:55 GMT 1
I cannot believe people would even consider selling worthy! Great as it is to see Goodwin playing out of his skin at the moment, he wouldn't have the same pressure on his place if worthy was to be sold. Only Goodwin and Worthy out of the players we have at the club can play that sort of role, and for the first time in years we have competition for places. Keep them both. Get shut of the deadwood.... lucketti, unsworth, kamara, and either parker or jevons. the last 3 you mention are in the matchday squad,so clark doesnt see them as deadwood,worthy cant make the 16 at the mo..... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2009 12:35:43 GMT 1
For years we have been crying out for genuine competition for players now we have it people want to sell the squad players. Mind boggling to me.
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Post by Scissett Terrier! on Jan 4, 2009 12:37:15 GMT 1
For years we have been crying out for genuine competition for players now we have it people want to sell the squad players. Mind boggling to me. and if worthy went we'd still have competition, maybe get shut of worthy and bring in a RB have competition there where we dont have it you have no argument with berrett and tom clarke in the squad |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2009 12:40:19 GMT 1
In my opinion if goddwin gets injured suspended or has a dip in form i would want worthy to come in and replace him rather than berrett or tom clark. I agree we are too heavy in central midfielders but it would be flynn for the exit door for me.
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Post by terrierng on Jan 4, 2009 12:40:42 GMT 1
For years we have been crying out for genuine competition for players now we have it people want to sell the squad players. Mind boggling to me. we need to sell to generate wages,we have too many midfielders and worthy isnt in the squad however i see your point and agree to an extent we need genuine competiton for places but if one of worthy,berrett,kamara,flynn or collins goes to bring in a striker so be it,out of these collins is a statrer,the only one worth ant money is worthy,if one goes still plenty of competition. |
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Post by Scissett Terrier! on Jan 4, 2009 12:43:19 GMT 1
In my opinion if goddwin gets injured suspended or has a dip in form i would want worthy to come in and replace him rather than berrett or tom clark. I agree we are too heavy in central midfielders but it would be flynn for the exit door for me. why would you want someone who can not pass the ball playing goodwins role? his role is to break up play and then deliver the first pass of an attacking move and some of goodwins passing yesterday was sublime. i would rather have berret i nthat role should goodwin suffer loss of from, injury etc |
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Post by shawsie on Jan 4, 2009 12:59:52 GMT 1
I cannot believe people would even consider selling worthy! Great as it is to see Goodwin playing out of his skin at the moment, he wouldn't have the same pressure on his place if worthy was to be sold. Only Goodwin and Worthy out of the players we have at the club can play that sort of role, and for the first time in years we have competition for places. Keep them both. Get shut of the deadwood.... lucketti, unsworth, kamara, and either parker or jevons. I would contemplate selling him UTT69, cos he cant get a place in our squad at the moment and for playing the holding role i would have berrett and flynn ahead of him, and maybe even tom clarke. Also, i dont want to see the lad suffering in the stiffs - he could do a marvellous job for a promotion chasing league 2 side and deserves to be playing for his honesty and commitment alone. I take your point re competition but we have loads in central midfield at the moment and need to make room for a striker and at least one full back. I would also consider offers for unsworth, lucketti, kamara and jevons - if anyone would want em on their current salaries!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2009 13:02:30 GMT 1
In my opinion if goddwin gets injured suspended or has a dip in form i would want worthy to come in and replace him rather than berrett or tom clark. I agree we are too heavy in central midfielders but it would be flynn for the exit door for me. why would you want someone who can not pass the ball playing goodwins role? his role is to break up play and then deliver the first pass of an attacking move and some of goodwins passing yesterday was sublime. i would rather have berret i nthat role should goodwin suffer loss of from, injury etc Without Goodwin or Worthy our midfield would lack bite i am an admirer of berrett and he is a great ball player but i'm not convinced he has developed into a combatitive midfielder who breaks up play yet although i don't doubt his ability to develop into thayt type of player longer term. You're right Worthy's distribution isn't good enough but his breaking up of play is excellent and if he has good players around him collins, craney, roberts, cads etc he can do the hard work then lay off short balls to someone with more ability on the ball. Worthy gets criticised a lot for giving the ball away but as with clarke getting branded a hoof merchant it is often because no one is showing for the ball and in struggling teams they don't. We are playing well now and the players want to ball and are not afraid to express them self. Let worthy break up play and distribute the short ball. |
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Post by mattyterrier2k8 on Jan 4, 2009 13:06:27 GMT 1
i would like to see 2 strikers and a left back come in in january, to do this we would need to free up the wage bill and squad size, personally i would do this by getting rid of lucketti, unsworth, kamara and jevons and send worthington and scarz out on loan.
thats 6 off the budget and 2 of them possibly 3 on good wages, this is what i think anyway
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 4, 2009 13:08:54 GMT 1
Tom Clarke, Berret and Flynn can play the defensive midfielder role to varying levels but none of them come close to offering the competition to Goodwin in the combatitive role, work horse, role though. We only have worthy who can compete with Goodwin on his current form IMO. So unless Clark is bringing in another tenacious midfielder he considers better than JW I don't see the sense in letting him go, unless he himself feels he needs to move on.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2009 13:10:29 GMT 1
Tom Clarke, Berret and Flynn can play the defensive midfielder role to varying levels but none of them come close to offering the competition to Goodwin in the combatitive role, work horse, role though. We only have worthy who can compete with Goodwin on his current form IMO. So unless Clark is bringing in another tenacious midfielder he considers better than JW I don't see the sense in letting him go, unless he himself feels he needs to move on. Exactly, if Goodwin was injured or lost form, I'd want Worthy back in, I certainly wouldn't be looking to get rid, certainly not for peanuts. |
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Post by pozza on Jan 4, 2009 13:11:11 GMT 1
In my opinion if goddwin gets injured suspended or has a dip in form i would want worthy to come in and replace him rather than berrett or tom clark. I agree we are too heavy in central midfielders but it would be flynn for the exit door for me. I wouldn't. To play in the "holding role" one of your main attributes is being able to pass, something that Worthy isn't the best at. I'd sooner see Tom Clarke or Berrett play there anyday of the week over Worthy. |
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Post by midlander on Jan 4, 2009 13:12:55 GMT 1
Why do people confuse Worthington with something he never has been? Never in all his years has he been a holding midfielder. Because he shows aggression in the tackle it does not make him a defensive, holding midfielder. Worthington has always liked to work from box-to-box and has a good engine. His only problem is that he struggles to control his shooting (Sheff Wed daisycutter apart). The role Goodwin plays is massively different to the role Worthy held down for the past 4 years.
I've always admired Worthy because he gives his all and works very hard for the team. He has been the only midfielder in recent years who is capable of leading his players, not through his talking, but through his whole-hearted efforts and aggression. He is occasionally reckless and mistimed in his challenges but this has never cost us (his only two sendings off were both a joke and not a result of recklessness on his part).
Having said that, I don't think he will offer Lee Clark much in the roles he wants from his midfielders, if the way we are playing now is much to go by. Worthy is not a creater, nor a finisher, neither is passing a great strength. He gets stuck in and covers the ground well, but I don't think that'll be enough to keep him in Clark's plans. Berret or Clarke would be the most logical replacements if Goodwin gets injured or loses form.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2009 13:20:29 GMT 1
In my opinion if goddwin gets injured suspended or has a dip in form i would want worthy to come in and replace him rather than berrett or tom clark. I agree we are too heavy in central midfielders but it would be flynn for the exit door for me. I wouldn't. To play in the "holding role" one of your main attributes is being able to pass, something that Worthy isn't the best at. I'd sooner see Tom Clarke or Berrett play there anyday of the week over Worthy. And the other main attribute is breaking up play after Goodwin there is not a better player at doing that at the club than Worthy. |
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Post by pozza on Jan 4, 2009 13:24:39 GMT 1
I wouldn't. To play in the "holding role" one of your main attributes is being able to pass, something that Worthy isn't the best at. I'd sooner see Tom Clarke or Berrett play there anyday of the week over Worthy. And the other main attribute is breaking up play after Goodwin there is not a better player at doing that at the club than Worthy. Fair point. Although he'd probs be sent off withing a couple of games  I'd still rather Berrett or Tom Clarke though, it's easier to tackle than it is to pass. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2009 14:03:03 GMT 1
Worthington being 25 (26 in April) he isn't going to get a million times better than he is now so he is not the holding midfielder with potential he was about 3 or 4 years ago.
Berrett has shown at sweeper he has defensive abilities as well as a good range of passing.
Also Worthy being that age, I doubt he wants to be sat in the dugout let alone the stands.
If an offer comes in and he wants to go, I think it would be better, obviously for him and also Huddersfield Town if it frees up wages for a striker that we desperately need.
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Post by specialun on Jan 4, 2009 14:04:22 GMT 1
Why do people confuse Worthington with something he never has been? Never in all his years has he been a holding midfielder. Because he shows aggression in the tackle it does not make him a defensive, holding midfielder. Worthington has always liked to work from box-to-box and has a good engine. His only problem is that he struggles to control his shooting (Sheff Wed daisycutter apart). The role Goodwin plays is massively different to the role Worthy held down for the past 4 years. I've always admired Worthy because he gives his all and works very hard for the team. He has been the only midfielder in recent years who is capable of leading his players, not through his talking, but through his whole-hearted efforts and aggression. He is occasionally reckless and mistimed in his challenges but this has never cost us (his only two sendings off were both a joke and not a result of recklessness on his part). Having said that, I don't think he will offer Lee Clark much in the roles he wants from his midfielders, if the way we are playing now is much to go by. Worthy is not a creater, nor a finisher, neither is passing a great strength. He gets stuck in and covers the ground well, but I don't think that'll be enough to keep him in Clark's plans. Berret or Clarke would be the most logical replacements if Goodwin gets injured or loses form. I agree with a lot of that. Holding = goodwin box to box = worthy playmaker = berrett, holdsworth attacking = collins, craney, flynn But berrett is more of a playmaker who can sit deep than a break up play holding midfielder. What I still struggle to understand, is that after years of needing competition, we have it, and people want rid of it! Let them all compete and battle for the shirt. |
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 4, 2009 14:14:54 GMT 1
What part of his record of 2 extremely unjust red cards in 7 seasons suggests he'd 'probably' get sent off within a couple of games?
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Post by pozza on Jan 4, 2009 14:26:22 GMT 1
What part of his record of 2 extremely unjust red cards in 7 seasons suggests he'd 'probably' get sent off within a couple of games? Notice the It was a joke  |
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Post by Tez on Jan 4, 2009 14:44:26 GMT 1
Bit defensive eh Slaps.  |
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Post by terrierng on Jan 4, 2009 15:24:08 GMT 1
Tom Clarke, Berret and Flynn can play the defensive midfielder role to varying levels but none of them come close to offering the competition to Goodwin in the combatitive role, work horse, role though. We only have worthy who can compete with Goodwin on his current form IMO. So unless Clark is bringing in another tenacious midfielder he considers better than JW I don't see the sense in letting him go, unless he himself feels he needs to move on. well according to paper hes in for steve jennings of tranmere,and worthy isnt in first 16,make your own mind up,capt i know you rate worthy above goodwin and grates on you that hes keeping him out of the team,maybe not grate cos i know you want winning team,but look at the facts,goodwin in clarks eyes is way above worthy,hes looking at other midfielders,someone will leave my money is on worthy or flynn,maybe both. |
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