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Post by canterburyterrier on Jan 17, 2009 17:16:26 GMT 1
Is he injured or has he really dropped so far down the midfield pecking order?
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Post by htafc on Jan 17, 2009 17:17:32 GMT 1
i heard he might be leaving
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Post by jonnyhtfc90 on Jan 17, 2009 17:19:40 GMT 1
Out of contract in June. Not looking particularly good for him.
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Post by CaptainHart on Jan 17, 2009 17:29:32 GMT 1
I think it's more to do with our lack of strikers; Clark has picked the other four every time with this line-up, the fifth has been Malvin or Boothy, Flynn's the most attacking player he's got available.
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Post by Solihull Terrier on Jan 17, 2009 17:33:56 GMT 1
6th choice central midfielder now!
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Post by runner76 on Jan 17, 2009 17:58:58 GMT 1
should get himself to Lincoln..........
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Post by Nickhudds.UTT on Jan 17, 2009 19:19:05 GMT 1
What about the supporters of him who gave all the statistics re us only winning when he plays.... He never looks like scoring and jumps in like a maniac imo, we are playing better now with our current midfield.
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Post by jstorr13 on Jan 17, 2009 19:21:00 GMT 1
Season Over For Him imo
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Post by BradfordTerrier on Jan 17, 2009 19:21:43 GMT 1
on't radio, oggy said that clark had said we've had 'some' enquiries about our players, not including those already out on loan.
interesting.
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Post by andyhudd on Jan 17, 2009 19:53:37 GMT 1
What about the supporters of him who gave all the statistics re us only winning when he plays.... He never looks like scoring and jumps in like a maniac imo, we are playing better now with our current midfield. In the past, as the stats show, Worthy has had a huge and positive impact on the team ... and results, when he's played. Surely competition's good? What happens now if Goodwin gets injured? Surely Worthy would be the man to step in?
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Post by loumacari on Jan 17, 2009 19:55:08 GMT 1
No. If Goodwin gets injured then surely Berrett is the man to step in. Somebody who can tackle properly and pass a ball would be required to replace Goodwin if he got injured.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2009 19:56:01 GMT 1
If Goodwin got injured I'd still want Worthy in his place. It's good that the squad is good enough for the likes of Worthy to be out of the 16
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2009 19:56:42 GMT 1
No. If Goodwin gets injured then surely Berrett is the man to step in. Somebody who can tackle properly and pass a ball would be required to replace Goodwin if he got injured. Spot on
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Post by terrierZed on Jan 17, 2009 20:08:55 GMT 1
Think its likely that Lincoln and Jacko have made an offer for Worthy, maybe someone else have bid for Flynn as well...
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Post by specialun on Jan 17, 2009 20:11:14 GMT 1
I think it's more to do with our lack of strikers; Clark has picked the other four every time with this line-up, the fifth has been Malvin or Boothy, Flynn's the most attacking player he's got available. Correct, and logical imo.
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Post by Scissett Terrier! on Jan 17, 2009 20:16:40 GMT 1
theres offers in for some of our players according to oggy i assume they'll be a few league 2 clubs after worthy.
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Post by terrierdan1235 on Jan 17, 2009 22:47:33 GMT 1
Worthy is overated imo
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Post by terrierdan1235 on Jan 17, 2009 22:48:58 GMT 1
I personally dont rate him but people just need to stand up and face the fact thats hes not up to it
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Post by jameshtafchi on Jan 18, 2009 4:39:43 GMT 1
No. If Goodwin gets injured then surely Berrett is the man to step in. Somebody who can tackle properly and pass a ball would be required to replace Goodwin if he got injured. Spot on Yep.
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Post by HD8 Blue & White on Jan 18, 2009 8:06:08 GMT 1
I dont dislike Worthy, I just think his time is up at Town, a move to a top of of L2 team would be the best move he could make right now to get his career going again.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2009 12:14:45 GMT 1
I think worthy can still do a job for us at the moment goodwin has the shirt and is playing really well but if he takes a dip in form gets injured or suspended then i would want worthy to replace him. I honestly think if our midfield did not include either goodwin or worthy then we would struggle to win the midfield battle.
Just because worthy is not in the 16 does not mean that he is not in clark's plan i think it is more to do with having a bench that can cover the most positions and scenarios. Worhty is a central midfielder and can't play anywhere else. The bench consists of players who can fill more than role.
For years we have been crying out for competiiton for places and now we have it some want to offload the likes of worthy.
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Post by Captainslapper on Jan 18, 2009 15:03:48 GMT 1
I think worthy can still do a job for us at the moment goodwin has the shirt and is playing really well but if he takes a dip in form gets injured or suspended then i would want worthy to replace him. I honestly think if our midfield did not include either goodwin or worthy then we would struggle to win the midfield battle. Just because worthy is not in the 16 does not mean that he is not in clark's plan i think it is more to do with having a bench that can cover the most positions and scenarios. Worhty is a central midfielder and can't play anywhere else. The bench consists of players who can fill more than role. For years we have been crying out for competiiton for places and now we have it some want to offload the likes of worthy. Think that is totally spot on. Goodwin has made the position his own at the moment, but should he have a drop in form, injury, or the inevitable suspensions that a combatitive midfielder will get (he is 2 yellows off a 2 game ban) ,then Worthy would certainly be my choice to replace him. Prefering Berrett is fine when we have the ball as hes a damned fine player, but a defensive midfielder main task is when we don't have the ball and berrett is simply too lightweight to do it. Hes a similar type of player to Collins and you wouldn't want him in there either.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jan 18, 2009 15:16:39 GMT 1
If a midfielder were to leave surely it would be one of the attacking ones, be that Collins to a Championship side or one of the two highly paid IMO attacking midfielders not in the 11, Flynn back to someone like Darlo or Craney back to Accrington We need Worthy to push Goodwin (and vice versa), and only one of Flynn/ Craney to push Collins For me Berrett is more a utiliy player, who can play midfield but also right back and centre half Right back to my holiday Nice to see Town win yesterday though
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Post by shawsie on Jan 18, 2009 15:48:12 GMT 1
I think worthy can still do a job for us at the moment goodwin has the shirt and is playing really well but if he takes a dip in form gets injured or suspended then i would want worthy to replace him. I honestly think if our midfield did not include either goodwin or worthy then we would struggle to win the midfield battle. Just because worthy is not in the 16 does not mean that he is not in clark's plan i think it is more to do with having a bench that can cover the most positions and scenarios. Worhty is a central midfielder and can't play anywhere else. The bench consists of players who can fill more than role. For years we have been crying out for competiiton for places and now we have it some want to offload the likes of worthy. Think that is totally spot on. Goodwin has made the position his own at the moment, but should he have a drop in form, injury, or the inevitable suspensions that a combatitive midfielder will get (he is 2 yellows off a 2 game ban) ,then Worthy would certainly be my choice to replace him. Prefering Berrett is fine when we have the ball as hes a damned fine player, but a defensive midfielder main task is when we don't have the ball and berrett is simply too lightweight to do it. Hes a similar type of player to Collins and you wouldn't want him in there either. Berrett similar to Collins???!! Not in a million years - Berrett is a holding midfield player being comfortable in possession and relies on his ability to read the game to overcome his lack of physicality - hence his stint at sweeper. Collins is a forward running midfield player with a genuine ability to burst into goalscoring positions - poles apart!!!!!! Worthy isnt being included because he does not suit the high tempo one touch brand of football clark is trying to play. Cant see him being here much longer - he is too good not to be playing in a first team somewhere else, but he isnt good enough for ours now and definitely not for the league above.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2009 15:59:12 GMT 1
Think that is totally spot on. Goodwin has made the position his own at the moment, but should he have a drop in form, injury, or the inevitable suspensions that a combatitive midfielder will get (he is 2 yellows off a 2 game ban) ,then Worthy would certainly be my choice to replace him. Prefering Berrett is fine when we have the ball as hes a damned fine player, but a defensive midfielder main task is when we don't have the ball and berrett is simply too lightweight to do it. Hes a similar type of player to Collins and you wouldn't want him in there either. Berrett similar to Collins???!! Not in a million years - Berrett is a holding midfield player being comfortable in possession and relies on his ability to read the game to overcome his lack of physicality - hence his stint at sweeper. Collins is a forward running midfield player with a genuine ability to burst into goalscoring positions - poles apart!!!!!! Worthy isnt being included because he does not suit the high tempo one touch brand of football clark is trying to play. Cant see him being here much longer - he is too good not to be playing in a first team somewhere else, but he isnt good enough for ours now and definitely not for the league above. The problem with Berrett as a holding player is he doesn't really have the work rate of a Worthington or a Goodwin. I remember the game against Chelsea last year. Both Lampard goals were due Berrett completely losing him in the build up. Obviously Lampard is a quality player so maybe I'm been harsh, but I think either Worthington or Goodwin would have stayed with him, and possibly stopped the goals. As Slaps has mentioned, Berrett is great on the ball, but I'm not sure he's good enough off the ball to play that role effectively.
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Post by Solihull Terrier on Jan 18, 2009 16:05:20 GMT 1
Not seeing I agree, but you can learn to up your workrate whereas I'm not sure Worthy can learn to do the things Berrett can already do.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2009 16:07:17 GMT 1
Not seeing I agree, but you can learn to up your workrate whereas I'm not sure Worthy can learn to do the things Berrett can already do. Absolutely, not saying Berrett couldn't become a very good holding midfielder, I'm not even saying I'd be against playing him there now, but that's why I would currently have Worthington ahead of him for that role.
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Post by shawsie on Jan 18, 2009 16:31:09 GMT 1
Berrett similar to Collins???!! Not in a million years - Berrett is a holding midfield player being comfortable in possession and relies on his ability to read the game to overcome his lack of physicality - hence his stint at sweeper. Collins is a forward running midfield player with a genuine ability to burst into goalscoring positions - poles apart!!!!!! Worthy isnt being included because he does not suit the high tempo one touch brand of football clark is trying to play. Cant see him being here much longer - he is too good not to be playing in a first team somewhere else, but he isnt good enough for ours now and definitely not for the league above. The problem with Berrett as a holding player is he doesn't really have the work rate of a Worthington or a Goodwin. I remember the game against Chelsea last year. Both Lampard goals were due Berrett completely losing him in the build up. Obviously Lampard is a quality player so maybe I'm been harsh, but I think either Worthington or Goodwin would have stayed with him, and possibly stopped the goals. As Slaps has mentioned, Berrett is great on the ball, but I'm not sure he's good enough off the ball to play that role effectively. He is 19 though! Worthy is 24 and a decent league 1 / good league 2 player - i dont particvularly want him to leave as he could do a back up job, but if he isnt going to get a look in (he hasnt played since boxing day at all!) then he deserves the opportunity to go elsewhere to do it.
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Post by Scissett Terrier! on Jan 18, 2009 16:42:08 GMT 1
berrett would be best to replace goodwin at moment not for a second is worthys passing good enough for the way we are playing.
i agree berrett is lightweight and so is collins and this is something both should be in the gym working hard on.
all our build up play is through the often superb passing of goodwin and with worthy in there this would suffer, the back four dont need the same protection as they are starting to look very good.
berrett reads the game very well and positions himslef well, yes he will have to work harder and Blackie will be getting the players fit enough to put that work rate in.
as for worthy i think we have seen the last of him in a town shirt and will go on to have a good career in league 2. i wish the basics of his game were better as he has the passion we all love but he just doesnt have the technical ability move town forward.
if/when he goes i wish him all the best and thank him for his efforts for town.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2009 21:19:04 GMT 1
I rate Berrett very highly and given the right physical and techincal coachning he could play anwhere in defence or midfield he is a good footballer but he is not yet capable of playing the holding role in midfield. If we played Collins and Berrett in central midfield they would be over run and not win the battle. Cads is a battler but not technically good defensively and roberts is brilliant going forward but not very good defensively. It would be a sucidal act to play Cads, Collins, Berrett and Roberts across midfield. Our only hope would be to outscore teams and with our strikerforce that won't happen.
We need to play either goodwin or worthy unless we trry and convert craney after doing such a good job away at brighton. berrett simply isn't ready for that role.
I can see why people don't rate worthy but i think it would be interesting to see those who slate him how many have played the game. Worthy is not pretty and as a spectator he is not what you pay your hard earned to see. He does the simple things well and if you have ever played the game you will know that you need players like that in your side.
Lee Clark was a quality central midfelder who played at the highelst level but he will know for every kaka, scholes, ginola etc you need a batty, keane , butt etc
I honestly think clark will see worthy has a part to play but worhty may decide he needs to move on to play every week. i hope he doesn't as if anything happends to goodwin he would be straight in.
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