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Post by malcolmbrown on Jan 25, 2009 16:02:04 GMT 1
I know this will be unpopular on this board but I can't understand why so many people hate Leeds. I admit they have some gobby fans but my only real feeling towards them is one of slight disappointment. They are the largest city in Yorkshire yet are in the third tier of English football which is frankly embarrasing. Man U to me stand for all that is wrong with modern football. Foreign owners, unpleasant and deeply ungracious manager but worst of all are their 'fans'. Being half Mancunian myself my earliest football memories in the late seventies are of standing adjacent to the Stretford end surrounded by ordinary working class blokes who'd come to watch their local team. Back then they were a real club. I then discovered my local club thanks to Mick Buxton and the 1979-80 season. Since then I've been hooked through thin and thin. However last season a work mate gave me two tickets for Old Trafford and I decided to treat my elderly Man U supporting mum to a trip 30 years after we'd last been together and she was very grateful bless her. I didn't know what to expect when I got there but I developed a rather queasy feeling over the afternoon for the following reasons: (1) The almost complete absence of Mancunian accents in the crowd. Most people had obviously come from all over the country and looked well heeled (contrast that with the tatty mob who follow Town - and I include myself in that). (2) The number of tourists with cameras around their necks - it's more a tourist attraction than a football ground. (3) The club shop being an absolute shrine to consumer spending - 16 tills ringing away churning out replica this and that to spoilt moaning kids. (4) The huge Munich mural draped over the side of the stadium sponsored by AIG, they even manage to commercialise a tragedy. It's funny when the families of those players needed help Man U told them where to go. (5) The nightmare of getting away from the ground afterwards and seeing all these cars heading back to various parts of the country, and rather shamingly the M62 back to Gods Own county seemed to be full of these 'fans' going home. The following day I asked a kid on our street why he was wearing a Man U shirt when he was from Huddersfield only to be told that Huddersfield were rubbish so he wouldn't support them. It made my blood boil and I had to bite my tongue, the little runt. Anyway rant over. Cue Man U apologists.
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Post by boothylegend on Jan 25, 2009 16:15:01 GMT 1
I agree. I think they represent just about everything that's wrong. Munich highlights this; I've forgotten the name of the player that died in poverty after he was injured in the disaster and could no longer play; Man Utd just sacked him and with it being in the days before players were on over £100k a week, he died in poverty.
They play on the media so much. I didn't bother with watching the match last night as I knew it'd anger me, but when I heard my Dad cheer from downstairs and I went down to watch Spurs' goal there were adverts going round the edge of the pitch in Japanese; that says it all. Furthermore, every Saturday in the papers whilst we're marginalised even when we've just announced a new signing/new management team etc. Ferguson receives a two page spread on his complaints about fixtures (is he having a laugh?). It's gotten to the stage where it's self perpetuating; media talk about Man Utd, therefore kids like you mention support Man Utd, therefore media talk about Man Utd...
We also have to put up with having the spoilt rats that associate with that club rammed down our throats; Ferguson (put him in charge of a Blackburn or a Fulham and he'd be seen as naive and dated), Neville (the type to provoke a reaction and then go hide behind Roy Keane), Van Nistelrooy (see Neville), Ronaldo, Berbatov (see below), Rooney... Give me Clark, Boothy and Goodwin anyday.
Then to top it all off, the whole Berbatov debacle. After complaining for the whole summer about Real Madrid courting Ronaldo, they go and do exactly the same to Spurs for Berbatov.
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Post by hotdog on Jan 25, 2009 16:15:25 GMT 1
In some ways i agree. I dont like Leeds, but at least their fans get behind their West Riding team and many have stuck with them following their plight. I doubt half the season ticket holders currently at Old Trafford would do the same. In fact the reason why us and Leeds fans probs hate each other so much is not just geographical proximity but also the fact that we are very much alike. We both love our teams and our proud of our roots, and both majorities have followed them through thick and thin. I dont think a lot of Man Utd really know why they are rivals with anyone apart from their league position
I must confess in my youth i followed both Man Utd and Huddersfield, but now im older and wiser i can't believe what i was thinking. I think a large part was probably the greater coverage Man Utd get and when you are young you can get a bit brainwashed by all the hype.
Thats why its so important for town to get youngsters into the ground for next to nothing on a regular basis. I remember watching town since the age of about seven, but i was never really hooked until i went to watch them against Stoke City during Jacko's great escape when Dalton scored in the last minute to make it 3-1 after their keeper came up for the corner. Thats when i realised that watching football in person and with the atmosphere is incomparable to watching it on T.V with all the commercialism and sterility that it embodies. We just need to get more kids into the ground to experience these type of matches and we will create a great fanbase for the future.
Just to add the fans that make me the most sick are northern Arsenal and Chelsea fans. Now that is a disgrace, and they come out with all this b*llocks like 'my grandad's step brother comes from Highbury and thats why i watch them', and then you ask them have you ever been to a game and they reply 'yea went to watch them two years ago when they played Bolton in the carling cup third round at the Reebok. In short these are not true football fans im sorry to say.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2009 16:20:23 GMT 1
I don't have a problem with Man Utd.
Yes they have fans from outside Manchester, but that could be said for all of the big 4. The idea that none of there fans are from Manchester is ludicrous. I know a few United fans from Manchester. My girlfriend is from Sale, and the majority of people from there are United fans as its just down the road from Old Trafford.
As for their manager, Ferguson is a genius, and master at what he does, and I have a lot of time for him.
Foreign owners, yes, but foreign owners who are hated by the majority of the fans, who took over the club against the will of almost everybody there.
Unlike Chelsea, they have not relied on a wealthy owner to buy their success. Yes they spend big, but thats because they are well supported and generate income through their massive supporter base and from having the biggest ground in the country (Wembley excluded). Their success of the last 20 years is based on having a good manager, and a great youth team that started it all.
Unlike Arsenal, they have not relied heavily on foreigners, their team has always had a good British base, which they have complimented well with foreign players.
I'm no United fan, but I'd rather they did well, than the likes of Arsenal and Chelsea, and I think a lot of the hatred towards them is simply jealousy of their success.
Having said all that I would much much rather support Town than them, or any of the big Premiership teams.
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 25, 2009 16:20:49 GMT 1
I agree. I think they represent just about everything that's wrong. Munich highlights this; I've forgotten the name of the player that died in poverty after he was injured in the disaster and could no longer play; Man Utd just sacked him and with it being in the days before players were on over £100k a week, he died in poverty. They play on the media so much. I didn't bother with watching the match last night as I knew it'd anger me, but when I heard my Dad cheer from downstairs and I went down to watch Spurs' goal there were adverts going round the edge of the pitch in Japanese; that says it all. Furthermore, every Saturday in the papers whilst we're marginalised even when we've just announced a new signing/new management team etc. Ferguson receives a two page spread on his complaints about fixtures (is he having a laugh?). It's gotten to the stage where it's self perpetuating; media talk about Man Utd, therefore kids like you mention support Man Utd, therefore media talk about Man Utd... We also have to put up with having the spoilt rats that associate with that club rammed down our throats; Ferguson (put him in charge of a Blackburn or a Fulham and he'd be seen as naive and dated), Neville (the type to provoke a reaction and then go hide behind Roy Keane), Van Nistelrooy (see Neville), Ronaldo, Berbatov (see below), Rooney... Give me Clark, Boothy and Goodwin anyday. Then to top it all off, the whole Berbatov debacle. After complaining for the whole summer about Real Madrid courting Ronaldo, they go and do exactly the same to Spurs for Berbatov. interesting but the only team that comes close to the loathing i have of l66ds is liverpool,never minded utd as the more success they had the more it annoyed the yids and scousers
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Post by stevvy on Jan 25, 2009 16:22:00 GMT 1
the problem is people (kids especially) are influenced by seeing teams like man utd,liverpool,chelsea etc on tv every other week,so its all they know-ask them who they support n they'll say man utd,ask them why and they'll say its cos they win all the time and because theyre on tv,ask them how many games they've ever been to,they'll say none,its ridiculous-people may say town are rubbish but i'd MUCH rather support my local team,go watch them,feel a part of the club,feel every emotion possible (not possible with teams like man utd) go all over the country to watch them play knowing anything could happen,and knowing the players arent just greedy overpaid prima donnas but are actually young,local players who are playing for their local team and the team they support and are being paid naff all compared to the overpaid sods at man utd,chelsea etc-town may not be winning everything there is,but im bloody proud to say i support them!
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Post by malcolmbrown on Jan 25, 2009 16:30:38 GMT 1
Ferguson was lucky in that he inherited a very productive youth team set up, and Liverpool had just started their decline highlighted by Arsenal in that amazing end to the 1989 season.
I think he is a good manager but also has benefitted from being in charge of the richest club in the world so having the choice of the best players from around the world. You have to wonder why they've only won the European cup twice since Ferguson took over and both times were in very fortuitous circumstances.
I don't like Chelsea myself because of their sugar daddy, but I've always had a soft spot for Arsenal because they seem to be run in a legit way.
The only good thing about the rise of the money making machine that is Man United corporation is that those snotty kids from my youth who supported Liverpool (because they are the best team) are now having to see a new generation of spoilt snotty kids rub their nose in front of it while watching Sky bleeding TV.
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Post by captainbeefheart on Jan 25, 2009 16:33:22 GMT 1
I know this will be unpopular on this board but I can't understand why so many people hate Leeds. I admit they have some gobby fans but my only real feeling towards them is one of slight disappointment. They are the largest city in Yorkshire yet are in the third tier of English football which is frankly embarrasing. Man U to me stand for all that is wrong with modern football. Foreign owners, unpleasant and deeply ungracious manager but worst of all are their 'fans'. Being half Mancunian myself my earliest football memories in the late seventies are of standing adjacent to the Stretford end surrounded by ordinary working class blokes who'd come to watch their local team. Back then they were a real club. I then discovered my local club thanks to Mick Buxton and the 1979-80 season. Since then I've been hooked through thin and thin. However last season a work mate gave me two tickets for Old Trafford and I decided to treat my elderly Man U supporting mum to a trip 30 years after we'd last been together and she was very grateful bless her. I didn't know what to expect when I got there but I developed a rather queasy feeling over the afternoon for the following reasons: (1) The almost complete absence of Mancunian accents in the crowd. Most people had obviously come from all over the country and looked well heeled (contrast that with the tatty mob who follow Town - and I include myself in that). (2) The number of tourists with cameras around their necks - it's more a tourist attraction than a football ground. (3) The club shop being an absolute shrine to consumer spending - 16 tills ringing away churning out replica this and that to spoilt moaning kids. (4) The huge Munich mural draped over the side of the stadium sponsored by AIG, they even manage to commercialise a tragedy. It's funny when the families of those players needed help Man U told them where to go. (5) The nightmare of getting away from the ground afterwards and seeing all these cars heading back to various parts of the country, and rather shamingly the M62 back to Gods Own county seemed to be full of these 'fans' going home. The following day I asked a kid on our street why he was wearing a Man U shirt when he was from Huddersfield only to be told that Huddersfield were rubbish so he wouldn't support them. It made my blood boil and I had to bite my tongue, the little runt. Anyway rant over. Cue Man U apologists. Very good post, particularly point 4, something I suspect many people aren't aware of. Leeds fans (and others) singing about the Munich tragedy may be sick, but no sicker than how man u themselves have treated their own disaster. They should, but of course never will be, thoroughly ashamed of themselves. Geese and I may differ on this one.
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Post by hotdog on Jan 25, 2009 16:38:29 GMT 1
I actually think that watching a team like town turns you into a stronger character in life. You know how to make the best out of a situation, it makes you greatful for what you do get, you learn the concept of loyalty and how to deal with disappointments and when your team is on a high you really do appreciate it. It even makes you stand out against the crowd, when you strike up a convo with someone about football and they ask you who do follow and instead of the old 'i support chelsea, arsenal, etc' you reply Huddersfield; you know then that you are dealing with a real football fan, a loyal person and someone who loves the game for what it is; not what the media say it is.
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Post by boothylegend on Jan 25, 2009 16:38:34 GMT 1
Found it, I think. Johnny Berry; played 276 games for United. "His injuries meant that he was never able to pursue his career in football again. He took a job with Massey Ferguson in Trafford Park but in 1960, United asked him to vacate their club house in Davyhulme to accommodate the signing of Maurice Setters. All I’ll say is that it was a sad state of affairs and one that made the Berry family understandably, very bitter. The family moved back to Aldershot his home town, and Johnny and his brother Peter opened a sports shop in the little village of Cove, close by. In 1963 I can recall that I was playing in a match at Aldershot, and needed some studs for my boots. I called in to Berry’s sports shop and it was John that actually served me. He spent great time advising me on what type of studs I needed and he actually fitted my boots with them for me. We spent time talking a little about Manchester but neither he nor I mentioned United. He looked a sick man even then. The sports shop business went on for 20 years, and Johnny spent the last few years of his working life as a storemean in a television retail chain warehouse. Sadly, he didn’t enjoy a long retirement passing away in March 1994 aged just 67 years." www.rednews.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=31603I appreciate that it's not the nicest thing to bring up, but it makes my blood boil how many people follow the club without being aware of this. Munich is only a disaster to them when it suits them.
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Post by boothys9iron on Jan 25, 2009 16:41:49 GMT 1
Nah I just hate Leeds!
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Post by terrierng on Jan 25, 2009 16:44:09 GMT 1
I know this will be unpopular on this board but I can't understand why so many people hate Leeds. I admit they have some gobby fans but my only real feeling towards them is one of slight disappointment. They are the largest city in Yorkshire yet are in the third tier of English football which is frankly embarrasing. Man U to me stand for all that is wrong with modern football. Foreign owners, unpleasant and deeply ungracious manager but worst of all are their 'fans'. Being half Mancunian myself my earliest football memories in the late seventies are of standing adjacent to the Stretford end surrounded by ordinary working class blokes who'd come to watch their local team. Back then they were a real club. I then discovered my local club thanks to Mick Buxton and the 1979-80 season. Since then I've been hooked through thin and thin. However last season a work mate gave me two tickets for Old Trafford and I decided to treat my elderly Man U supporting mum to a trip 30 years after we'd last been together and she was very grateful bless her. I didn't know what to expect when I got there but I developed a rather queasy feeling over the afternoon for the following reasons: (1) The almost complete absence of Mancunian accents in the crowd. Most people had obviously come from all over the country and looked well heeled (contrast that with the tatty mob who follow Town - and I include myself in that). (2) The number of tourists with cameras around their necks - it's more a tourist attraction than a football ground. (3) The club shop being an absolute shrine to consumer spending - 16 tills ringing away churning out replica this and that to spoilt moaning kids. (4) The huge Munich mural draped over the side of the stadium sponsored by AIG, they even manage to commercialise a tragedy. It's funny when the families of those players needed help Man U told them where to go. (5) The nightmare of getting away from the ground afterwards and seeing all these cars heading back to various parts of the country, and rather shamingly the M62 back to Gods Own county seemed to be full of these 'fans' going home. The following day I asked a kid on our street why he was wearing a Man U shirt when he was from Huddersfield only to be told that Huddersfield were rubbish so he wouldn't support them. It made my blood boil and I had to bite my tongue, the little runt. Anyway rant over. Cue Man U apologists. Very good post, particularly point 4, something I suspect many people aren't aware of. Leeds fans (and others) singing about the Munich tragedy may be sick, but no sicker than how man u themselves have treated their own disaster. They should, but of course never will be, thoroughly ashamed of themselves. Geese and I may differ on this one. it will be intresting to see geeses response to this,on another note if you want to know why i hate leeds is that in the 20s when leeds city got thrown out for cheating the fecks tried to steal our whole club,that and them being better for umpteen yrs.
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Post by Spacedeck on Jan 25, 2009 17:00:46 GMT 1
I'm no Man U fan but when I was young I did like them but I liked Liverpool before them ;D But now for me nothing compares to Town. But I do like to see Liverpool(because they was my first supported team) do well and also Cardiff(mainly because one of my best mates is from there) do well but I don't support them anywhere near like I do Town.
And really yea, Leeds are close to us but I don't see much point in the hatred between us.
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Post by Porrohman on Jan 25, 2009 17:04:47 GMT 1
I know this will be unpopular on this board but I can't understand why so many people hate Leeds. I admit they have some gobby fans but my only real feeling towards them is one of slight disappointment. They are the largest city in Yorkshire yet are in the third tier of English football which is frankly embarrasing. Man U to me stand for all that is wrong with modern football. Foreign owners, unpleasant and deeply ungracious manager but worst of all are their 'fans'. Being half Mancunian myself my earliest football memories in the late seventies are of standing adjacent to the Stretford end surrounded by ordinary working class blokes who'd come to watch their local team. Back then they were a real club. I then discovered my local club thanks to Mick Buxton and the 1979-80 season. Since then I've been hooked through thin and thin. However last season a work mate gave me two tickets for Old Trafford and I decided to treat my elderly Man U supporting mum to a trip 30 years after we'd last been together and she was very grateful bless her. I didn't know what to expect when I got there but I developed a rather queasy feeling over the afternoon for the following reasons: (1) The almost complete absence of Mancunian accents in the crowd. Most people had obviously come from all over the country and looked well heeled (contrast that with the tatty mob who follow Town - and I include myself in that). (2) The number of tourists with cameras around their necks - it's more a tourist attraction than a football ground. (3) The club shop being an absolute shrine to consumer spending - 16 tills ringing away churning out replica this and that to spoilt moaning kids. (4) The huge Munich mural draped over the side of the stadium sponsored by AIG, they even manage to commercialise a tragedy. It's funny when the families of those players needed help Man U told them where to go. (5) The nightmare of getting away from the ground afterwards and seeing all these cars heading back to various parts of the country, and rather shamingly the M62 back to Gods Own county seemed to be full of these 'fans' going home. The following day I asked a kid on our street why he was wearing a Man U shirt when he was from Huddersfield only to be told that Huddersfield were rubbish so he wouldn't support them. It made my blood boil and I had to bite my tongue, the little runt. Anyway rant over. Cue Man U apologists. Very good post, particularly point 4, something I suspect many people aren't aware of. Leeds fans (and others) singing about the Munich tragedy may be sick, but no sicker than how man u themselves have treated their own disaster. They should, but of course never will be, thoroughly ashamed of themselves. Geese and I may differ on this one. not sure but didnt the utd fans kick up a stink about AIG commercialising munich but as fans dont count they got nowhere,still they're american so what do they know about history
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Post by bluearmy86 on Jan 25, 2009 18:39:49 GMT 1
I hate Man united too. Just as much as Leeds. I was so glad to read a post mirroring my feelings on them.
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Post by wonderousworthy on Jan 25, 2009 19:00:23 GMT 1
If your a manc you support Man City!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2009 19:19:09 GMT 1
i hate man u just as much as leeds!! good post!! man utd fans make my skin crawl when they talk about their team, they dont know what football support is about!!
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Post by TwigTheWonderKid on Jan 25, 2009 19:21:09 GMT 1
A few years ago FourFourTwo magazine looked into the myth of Man Utd fans not coming from near Old Trafford (using season ticket addresses/postcodes). They found that the club with the largest average distance from their home ground was --------------- Leeds United. (The closest was Newcastel)
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Post by digwon on Jan 25, 2009 19:28:52 GMT 1
i think it would be good to still hate le*ds,but even better if we didnt even mention there name ever again and show them we dont care less
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Post by ligament on Jan 25, 2009 21:18:51 GMT 1
initial post total shiete saw plenty l@@ds scum coming up the m1 on the way to bell end road. half of liverpool ,chelsea and arsenal havn't lived any where near there overseas sponsored grounds . and for mally to come back with fergie inherited a good youth squad so what apart from villa, or maybe the same, at least utd have a decent amount of english or british players in their squad. for what its worth after the white sheite the one club i dislike is mk dons f**king nomads and they play in white as well. hope utd or villa win the league
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Post by ThreeLions on Jan 25, 2009 21:20:15 GMT 1
i dont have a problem with them
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Post by terrier1 on Jan 25, 2009 21:31:21 GMT 1
leeds= scum
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Post by ligament on Jan 25, 2009 21:35:40 GMT 1
l@@ds=scum or l**ds=scum just looks better
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Post by captainbeefheart on Jan 25, 2009 21:50:17 GMT 1
l@@ds=scum or l**ds=scum just looks better My personal favourite has to be l66ds scum, as Bradford do it. I'm always slightly disappointed to see the two ee's.
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Post by ligament on Jan 25, 2009 21:54:53 GMT 1
l@@ds=scum or l**ds=scum just looks better My personal favourite has to be l66ds scum, as Bradford do it. I'm always slightly disappointed to see the two ee's. not sure sadford know how to use upper case yet . ;D
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Post by monkey on Jan 25, 2009 21:57:22 GMT 1
A few years ago FourFourTwo magazine looked into the myth of Man Utd fans not coming from near Old Trafford (using season ticket addresses/postcodes). They found that the club with the largest average distance from their home ground was --------------- Leeds United. (The closest was Newcastel) If I remember correctly, its because Leeds have a significant Norwegian following.
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Post by malcolmbrown on Jan 25, 2009 22:01:12 GMT 1
"initial post total shiete saw plenty l@@ds scum coming up the m1 on the way to bell end road. half of liverpool ,chelsea and arsenal havn't lived any where near there overseas sponsored grounds . and for mally to come back with fergie inherited a good youth squad so what apart from villa, or maybe the same, at least utd have a decent amount of english or british players in their squad. for what its worth after the white sheite the one club i dislike is mk dons f**king nomads and they play in white as well." ligament Well what a well thought out response. Doesn't scan very well but never mind. I thank you for your considered appraisal of what I thought were pretty valid points. All I can say is that it says it all that Man U have prospered since SKY polluted football. SKY bought football's soul in 1992, the exact year that Man U won the league for the first time in quarter of a century. You ligament clearly are a Man U drone.
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Post by captainbeefheart on Jan 25, 2009 22:05:09 GMT 1
A few years ago FourFourTwo magazine looked into the myth of Man Utd fans not coming from near Old Trafford (using season ticket addresses/postcodes). They found that the club with the largest average distance from their home ground was --------------- Leeds United. (The closest was Newcastel) If I remember correctly, its because Leeds have a significant Norwegian following. Significant!!! At the last Norwegian census there were only 17 citizens who didn't follow Leeds. Sadly in Finland we don't fare quite so well, mustering a frankly disappointing 37 fans. Not quite Norway but love the accents on our Danish fans. ;D uk.youtube.com/watch?v=MwpJ4CoNJPo
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Post by monkey on Jan 25, 2009 22:11:49 GMT 1
If I remember correctly, its because Leeds have a significant Norwegian following. Significant!!! At the last Norwegian census there were only 17 citizens who didn't follow Leeds. Sadly in Finland we don't fare quite so well, mustering a frankly disappointing 37 fans. I didn't realise that saying you were a Leeds fan was the Norwegian equivalent of saying you were a Jedi
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Post by digwon on Jan 25, 2009 22:30:17 GMT 1
haha embarrasing vid, zooper weeds an weer gain uup
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