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Post by OfficerDibble on Jan 27, 2009 15:42:07 GMT 1
Sosa, are you rickie lamberts agent? You have high regards of him!
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Post by mattyterrier2k8 on Jan 27, 2009 15:46:41 GMT 1
ok then lets not get rid of any players and build up a massive squad and wage bill half full of very average players the list i drew up was for the remainder of the season so id loan flynn out cos i cant see him been in our plans and try and get the clubs thats loaning him to pay a decent percentage of his wages. and as for booth look the guy is a legend yes but hes finished he will never get 20 plus goals a season to send us up lucketti and unsworth need to come off the wage bill and kamara and worthington are never gonna get any better at this level, berrett and scarz could improve thats why id send them out on loan. All this would trim the wage bill, get rid of some dead wood and get some younger players more experience
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Post by SN0W on Jan 27, 2009 15:52:34 GMT 1
if we have to pay Unsworth whatever we do, we may as well hang onto him until summer and let him do some defensive coaching.... Can't wait to see Lambert down at the Galph on Saturday though
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jan 27, 2009 15:53:24 GMT 1
Howdo Townatheart personally I rate Malvin, I think until he got injured he was our best player in the first half of last season and he single handedly turned games, e.g. Accrington, or a goal of the season contender to win the game at Millwall.
I also remember him making a few full backs look ordinary, e.g at L**ds (they had to double up on him) and at home to Orient
People talk about players like Flynn and Craney like they're a cut above what was here and Kamara like he's a cut below, I find it a touch annoying to be honest as I think all three are average League One players, just that MK probably earns less and gets twice the stick off the terraces!
One of the arguements is that Flynn played in the Championship, without looking it up I suspect Kamara has played twice as many games as Flynn in the Championship with Wimbledon and Cardiff!
And just because Craney came with a price tag I don't think he's shown anything near the good form in his first six months at Town than Kamara did
I've said that I'd let MK go because we now have better players in his position but off my list he's the one I'd be most reluctant to allow to leave
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Post by aca00js on Jan 27, 2009 15:58:47 GMT 1
I think Hoyles statement about Stan signing players after missing his original targets apply to Flynn, Crainey and Unsworth. I know Crainey has played well but I don't see him performing at the next level.
If its true we are watching Dorman at St Mirrin that will mean the end of Flynn and Crainey. Good at this level but won't make the step up.
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Post by midge on Jan 27, 2009 15:58:59 GMT 1
Howdo Townatheart personally I rate Malvin, I think until he got injured he was our best player in the first half of last season and he single handedly turned games, e.g. Accrington, or a goal of the season contender to win the game at Millwall. I also remember him making a few full backs look ordinary, e.g at L**ds (they had to double up on him) and at home to Orient People talk about players like Flynn and Craney like they're a cut above what was here and Kamara like he's a cut below, I find it a touch annoying to be honest as I think all three are average League One players, just that MK probably earns less and gets twice the stick off the terraces! One of the arguements is that Flynn played in the Championship, without looking it up I suspect Kamara has played twice as many games as Flynn in the Championship with Wimbledon and Cardiff! And just because Craney came with a price tag I don't he's shown anything near the good form in his first six months at Town than Kamara did I've said that I'd let MK go because he now have better players in his position but off my list he's the one I'd be most reluctant to allow to leave Agree with some of that HT although would dispute that MK showed any great form in his 1st 6 months and Craney hasn't!!! I think the problem for MK would be can you imagine him participating in some of the 1st touch, 'high tempo' football, that Roberts and Cads have done of late given his own renound 1st touch is like that of the proverbial elephant/rapist!!!!
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Post by CaptainHart on Jan 27, 2009 16:01:45 GMT 1
lucketti and unsworth need to come off the wage bill and kamara and worthington are never gonna get any better at this level, berrett and scarz could improve thats why id send them out on loan. All this would trim the wage bill, get rid of some dead wood and get some younger players more experience The point is that it won’t trim the wage bill as much as you seem to think it will because we’ll have to pay most of them off. We might be better off keeping them until the end of the season (Unsworth and Kamara will be out of contract). The other thing is, that whilst we’re still in with a shout of the play-offs a large squad is no bad thing, we don’t know what injuries/suspensions we might get because we’re looking to be competitive in every game to the end of the season. As for Berrett going on loan; he’s been in every 16 Clark has picked so I think he’s too close to playing to be allowed to go on loan. Also, Goodwin is one booking from suspension and somebody will have to replace him.
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Post by htafc on Jan 27, 2009 16:07:50 GMT 1
he is one season wonder
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Post by townatheart on Jan 27, 2009 16:08:36 GMT 1
Howdo Townatheart personally I rate Malvin, I think until he got injured he was our best player in the first half of last season and he single handedly turned games, e.g. Accrington, or a goal of the season contender to win the game at Millwall. I also remember him making a few full backs look ordinary, e.g at L**ds (they had to double up on him) and at home to Orient People talk about players like Flynn and Craney like they're a cut above what was here and Kamara like he's a cut below, I find it a touch annoying to be honest as I think all three are average League One players, just that MK probably earns less and gets twice the stick off the terraces! One of the arguements is that Flynn played in the Championship, without looking it up I suspect Kamara has played twice as many games as Flynn in the Championship with Wimbledon and Cardiff! And just because Craney came with a price tag I don't think he's shown anything near the good form in his first six months at Town than Kamara did I've said that I'd let MK go because we now have better players in his position but off my list he's the one I'd be most reluctant to allow to leave Hiya HT - hope you're well. That makes a bit more sense at least. For me while I would probably give both Flynn and Craney a slightly higher mark than Kamara, I would say that they are both ST signings that really did not do much more than add some bodies and a degree of competition to what was a very small squad.
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Post by TomTheTerrier on Jan 27, 2009 16:10:27 GMT 1
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Post by htafc on Jan 27, 2009 16:12:31 GMT 1
goal scoring this season
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2009 16:13:48 GMT 1
Kamara didn't have a good first 6 months. He was very average until Nov/Dec, where he had a really good 5 or 6 games, but that's been it, since then 3 managers haven't deemed him worthy of a place in the team.
I think Craney is twice the player Kamara is.
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Post by TomTheTerrier on Jan 27, 2009 16:15:21 GMT 1
Not paying much attention to his 18 goals last season? Or the 23 he scored in his last season for Rochdale?
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Post by CaptainHart on Jan 27, 2009 16:18:38 GMT 1
Based on the fact that since joining Rochdale in February 2005 he’s scored 67 goals in 156 league starts; that equates to around 20 goals per season over three season’s worth of games. Oh, I see what you mean.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jan 27, 2009 16:47:26 GMT 1
I'll be honest I've not "warmed" to Craney especially so I may be a little harsh on him It's nothing personal but Craney isn't my cup of tea as a player. I like to see players put there bodies on the line (I'm one of "them" fans ) and for me Craney tins out of tackles. I know it's a crude analogy but how many times have you seen the physio come on for Craney? How many headers have you seen him contest, let alone win? Don't get me a wrong he has a sweet right peg but for me that's about it (in fact he's very one footed) and most alarming for a midfielder is that he has poor stamina IMO All in all I don't see a £20,000 footballer let alone a £200,000 one! I do though like Kamara, he earned a lot of respect from me for playing when injured for example. Maybe naive but certainly credit worthy even with the most anti-Kamarites. I also have listed a couple of game he changed (I think the Millwall goal were he beat about 3 players before a excellent finish was in August maybe early September), MK can be very skillful, there is IMO a decent footballer in there. I can't think of one Craney match winning bit of skill That said I think all three of Flynn, Craney and Kamara are on borrowed time to be honest P.S Am well townatheart, just come back from my hols so getting back into the swing of things
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Post by TerrierArmy on Jan 27, 2009 16:55:50 GMT 1
I see we are resorting to debating about bit part players now! First team must be pretty decent Oh HT... Craney is a far better footballer than Kamara
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Post by jonnycrutches on Jan 27, 2009 17:02:37 GMT 1
I think HT is spot on, Craney isn't my cup of tea at all as he bottles everything. Malvin is far from the finished article and we've all seen flashes of what he is capable of but I suspect that this last 6 months on his contract isn't going to be enough to trun him into a consistent League 1 player, let alone one ready to make the step up.
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jan 27, 2009 17:03:27 GMT 1
I see we are resorting to debating about bit part players now! First team must be pretty decent Oh HT... Craney is a far better footballer than Kamara Pah you been drinking fella, next you'll say you're a better player than me
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Post by TerrierArmy on Jan 27, 2009 17:08:42 GMT 1
I see we are resorting to debating about bit part players now! First team must be pretty decent Oh HT... Craney is a far better footballer than Kamara Pah you been drinking fella, next you'll say you're a better player than me Now now HT don't want to embarrass you in front of all your peers on here. I vaguely remember you missing a penalty? And me scoring mine despite a broken toe on my stronger foot Although I admit you've got more stamina than Ian Craney but the same first touch as Kamara
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Post by therealyogibear on Jan 27, 2009 17:12:58 GMT 1
I'll be honest I've not "warmed" to Craney especially so I may be a little harsh on him It's nothing personal but Craney isn't my cup of tea as a player. I like to see players put there bodies on the line (I'm one of "them" fans ) and for me Craney tins out of tackles. I know it's a crude analogy but how many times have you seen the physio come on for Craney? How many headers have you seen him contest, let alone win? Don't get me a wrong he has a sweet right peg but for me that's about it (in fact he's very one footed) and most alarming for a midfielder is that he has poor stamina IMO All in all I don't see a £20,000 footballer let alone a £200,000 one! I do though like Kamara, he earned a lot of respect from me for playing when injured for example. Maybe naive but certainly credit worthy even with the most anti-Kamarites. I also have listed a couple of game he changed (I think the Millwall goal were he beat about 3 players before a excellent finish was in August maybe early September), MK can be very skillful, there is IMO a decent footballer in there. I can't think of one Craney match winning bit of skill That said I think all three of Flynn, Craney and Kamara are on borrowed time to be honest P.S Am well townatheart, just come back from my hols so getting back into the swing of things With the greatest of respect Hudds (and I see where you are coming from here) but we aren't going to get out of this league with 11 battlers. At some point you need some skill and finishing ability. While I take your point about Craney's fitness I think his ability level is very high and both technically and his footballing brain. Kamara I also rate but in the current squad I don't think he will get a look in and would probably get rid in this window
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Post by htafc on Jan 27, 2009 17:21:19 GMT 1
MY BAD I TAKE IT BACK ABOUT LAMBERT .
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Post by htafc on Jan 27, 2009 17:36:45 GMT 1
he has 100 shots this season
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Post by HuddsTerrier on Jan 27, 2009 17:44:48 GMT 1
I'll be honest I've not "warmed" to Craney especially so I may be a little harsh on him It's nothing personal but Craney isn't my cup of tea as a player. I like to see players put there bodies on the line (I'm one of "them" fans ) and for me Craney tins out of tackles. I know it's a crude analogy but how many times have you seen the physio come on for Craney? How many headers have you seen him contest, let alone win? Don't get me a wrong he has a sweet right peg but for me that's about it (in fact he's very one footed) and most alarming for a midfielder is that he has poor stamina IMO All in all I don't see a £20,000 footballer let alone a £200,000 one! I do though like Kamara, he earned a lot of respect from me for playing when injured for example. Maybe naive but certainly credit worthy even with the most anti-Kamarites. I also have listed a couple of game he changed (I think the Millwall goal were he beat about 3 players before a excellent finish was in August maybe early September), MK can be very skillful, there is IMO a decent footballer in there. I can't think of one Craney match winning bit of skill That said I think all three of Flynn, Craney and Kamara are on borrowed time to be honest P.S Am well townatheart, just come back from my hols so getting back into the swing of things With the greatest of respect Hudds (and I see where you are coming from here) but we aren't going to get out of this league with 11 battlers. At some point you need some skill and finishing ability. While I take your point about Craney's fitness I think his ability level is very high and both technically and his footballing brain. Kamara I also rate but in the current squad I don't think he will get a look in and would probably get rid in this window I know what you're saying but other than Crosby (maybe Duxbury) I can't think of any other "technical" players in the last team that got promoted from this league. There were though a lot of grafters in that side IMO
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Post by terrier10 on Jan 27, 2009 18:13:40 GMT 1
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Post by TomTheTerrier on Jan 27, 2009 18:35:11 GMT 1
We'll know tonight.
If he plays, then it's not on, if he doesn't play, then he's on his way.
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Post by Ox Terrier on Jan 27, 2009 18:56:56 GMT 1
We'll know tonight. If he plays, then it's not on, if he doesn't play, then he's on his way. Agreed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2009 20:34:36 GMT 1
He's playing for Rovers tonight, but to be honest I don't think that really means anything.
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Post by TomTheTerrier on Jan 27, 2009 20:35:59 GMT 1
He's playing for Rovers tonight, but to be honest I don't think that really means anything. Well it means we either haven't had a bid accepted, or we haven't made one.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2009 20:52:52 GMT 1
He's playing for Rovers tonight, but to be honest I don't think that really means anything. Well it means we either haven't had a bid accepted, or we haven't made one. No it doesn't. We would have had a bid accepted but BR will still play him until he agrees personal terms.
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Post by Fish Butty on Jan 27, 2009 21:12:47 GMT 1
Just scored for Rovers..
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