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Post by Captain Pugwash on Apr 27, 2009 13:08:21 GMT 1
According to yesterdays papers membership of the newly proposed premier league 2 would be by invitation only. Being in he top of the Championship will not be enough. Attendances, stadium capacity and commercial income are likely to be considered as criteria. Swansea City are quoted as being likely to miss out (capacity 20,520).
In light this, coupled with the stadium shares / KSDL scenario does this effectively end our ambitions of being a top 30 club? If so do you suppose this summers transfer activity will be amended accordingly?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2009 13:15:56 GMT 1
Perhaps Swansea may be removed for us with our capacity been 24,500  |
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Post by Captain Pugwash on Apr 27, 2009 13:26:21 GMT 1
Point taken, although 19,760 of those seats were apparently empty on Saturday. |
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Post by downatthepharm on Apr 27, 2009 13:30:43 GMT 1
I remember talk of something similar to this when I was in year 7 at school (10 years ago). Me and some mates were trying to compile a list of who would make it in and at the time (Rubery just got involved) we felt we would do.
Times have changed now and sides who we wouldn't have even considered as they were division 2 and 3 at the time are now premier league sides etc
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Post by pozza on Apr 27, 2009 13:36:12 GMT 1
Premier 2 will never happen, and if it does it will kill off lower league Football in the Country for good.
I personally would rather not get involved in something like this, who ever thought it up needs thier heads looking at.
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Post by marshterrier on Apr 27, 2009 13:37:25 GMT 1
I believe this is the brain storm of the Bolton chairman, he's been trying to get something like this through for years.
It'll never happen. It can't happen.
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Post by thomo on Apr 27, 2009 13:53:04 GMT 1
It's a joke. 20 years ago Bolton may not have been considered for Premier League 2.
Can't be allowed to happen - it will kill clubs like ourselves.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2009 13:54:17 GMT 1
I believe this is the brain storm of the Bolton chairman, he's been trying to get something like this through for years. It'll never happen. It can't happen. The stupid thing is if it had happened when the Premier League started Bolton would not have been in it. Wigan would have been miles away, as would Hull, Stoke, West Brom, Fulham. Football in this country has been strong for decades because of the strong pyramid. It's still fairly strong despite years of neglect outside the top flight - if they want a closed shop they will lose what makes (made) football great. |
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Post by Mastercracker on Apr 27, 2009 14:04:14 GMT 1
It will never happen, and to be honest I dont see the point. As long as promotion/relegation remains then Prem 2 is simple the championship (or div 2 in old money) and the first 'football league' league will be whats now league 1. All the media interest will still revolve around the big 4, who will always be in premier 1.
It's like all the numpty Bradford/Oldham/Barnsley fans who say 'you haven't played in the prem'. Its just another name for the top flight.
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 27, 2009 14:33:45 GMT 1
Won't happen. Who would vote for it?
Assuming that initially Rangers and celtic struggle but eventually due to fanbase, one or both of them, become a 'challenging' prem club.
Why would Man utd or Arsenal vote to include them? It would just make them less likely to win things or qualify for europe.
Why would 2nd group clubs vote for it like Villa Everton or Spurs? It would make them less likely to break into top group or qualify for europe.
Everyone else would be more likely to get relegated so why would they vote for it.
Extra income? Well visiting sections at most grounds are largely full anyway.( everton won't make anymore money by having 3000 celtic fans than they will from 3000 Stoke fans)
But they will have massively increased policing bills. Remember the last time rangers played a competitive game in England? Mass riots in manchester.
ironically Bolton in the Championship only get around 13-14000 even when they're doing well. That idiot Garside should remember that.
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Post by marshterrier on Apr 27, 2009 14:35:05 GMT 1
His plan is do drop the numbers in each division down to 16 teams, which would result a pretty hefty drop in income. Unless of course they hike the prices up even more.
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Post by terryya on Apr 27, 2009 14:59:25 GMT 1
I think it stinks, but I think it could be a possibility.
I might be wrong but I read that it needs 3/4 of premier chairmen to vote for it. I reckon that nearly all would vote for it as it would greatly reduce the loss of revenue if you are relegated. Obvioulsy the big four wouldn't want to spread the money thinner as they have no chance of going down. Anyone else, other than Villa, Everton (and possibly Spurs and Man City) have a chance of going down in the not so distant future so would probably go for it. So they probably have 12 of the 15 votes needed already and a bad start of a season may have some of the others thinking again.
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Post by nsevent on Apr 27, 2009 15:13:23 GMT 1
His plan is do drop the numbers in each division down to 16 teams, which would result a pretty hefty drop in income. Unless of course they hike the prices up even more. And if 2 of those are the Glasgow clubs, thats only 30 'current' English League competing teams in the top two divisions. That leaves you with 62 of the current Football League and Premier League teams to somehow sort out into a professional league system. How do you do that, have an elite national 14 team 'Championship' competing for the one spot up into Premier League 2, and two regionalised north and south leagues of 24? Or go with 3 leagues of 20 and lose 2 teams? Or something else? |
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Post by marshterrier on Apr 27, 2009 15:15:37 GMT 1
His plan is do drop the numbers in each division down to 16 teams, which would result a pretty hefty drop in income. Unless of course they hike the prices up even more. And if 2 of those are the Glasgow clubs, thats only 30 'current' English League competing teams in the top two divisions. That leaves you with 62 of the current Football League and Premier League teams to somehow sort out into a professional league system. How do you do that, have an elite national 14 team 'Championship' competing for the one spot up into Premier League 2, and two regionalised north and south leagues of 24? Or go with 3 leagues of 20 and lose 2 teams? Or something else? There wouldn't be any promotion to the Premier Two, it'll be a closed shop. We could always keep three divisions of 24 and promote a few Conference sides into the Football League to make up the numbers. |
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Post by Mastercracker on Apr 27, 2009 15:19:44 GMT 1
If thats the case and there isn't going to be any promotion to Premier 2 they have no chance of getting this through, there would be outrage from every 'non invited' league club, of which we'd most certainly be one.
We'd effectively become non league. I also cant see a certain Mr Platini approving.
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Post by TomTheTerrier on Apr 27, 2009 15:35:41 GMT 1
And if 2 of those are the Glasgow clubs, thats only 30 'current' English League competing teams in the top two divisions. That leaves you with 62 of the current Football League and Premier League teams to somehow sort out into a professional league system. How do you do that, have an elite national 14 team 'Championship' competing for the one spot up into Premier League 2, and two regionalised north and south leagues of 24? Or go with 3 leagues of 20 and lose 2 teams? Or something else? There wouldn't be any promotion to the Premier Two, it'll be a closed shop. We could always keep three divisions of 24 and promote a few Conference sides into the Football League to make up the numbers. I believe Gartside's proposals say 1 up 1 down to Prem 2. It's all hypothetical rubbish, it'll never happen. |
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Post by stevvy on Apr 27, 2009 15:38:31 GMT 1
everything about it is rubbish, it'll never work-the football league have a vote as well...........can you really imagine them agreeing to it?no chance, all the money would just be kept in the 2 premier league divisions and anyone below that would be screwed
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2009 15:45:01 GMT 1
everything about it is rubbish, it'll never work-the football league have a vote as well...........can you really imagine them agreeing to it?no chance, all the money would just be kept in the 2 premier league divisions and anyone below that would be screwed As against the current system where all the money is kept in one league and everyone below that is screwed? They fucked up the football league to the benefit of the wealthy few when they formed the premier league, the gaps have got wider every year since. |
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Post by stevvy on Apr 27, 2009 15:47:52 GMT 1
sorry, what i meant was more that at the moment all the money is in 1 league, but tv/sponsorship wise theres still a fair bit of money around (ok its little compared to the premiership) whereas with 2 premier leagues, those 2 leagues (being 2 divisions of the premier league and effectively ringfenced) more tv money would go into those 2 divisions, more sponsorship money would, purely because of the name 'premier league' even if its premier league 2, that leaves alot less money around for those below the 2 premier league divisions
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Post by ShortbreadPete on Apr 27, 2009 15:51:07 GMT 1
Premier is an adjective meaning first. It would be a nonsense to have a second league named effectively first second!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by iangreaves on Apr 27, 2009 15:56:22 GMT 1
Garside is a complete arsehole. The fact is Bolton are no bigger than Town and a number of other clubs outside the top two divisions. Sounds like he wants to go the same way as rugby league. Now there's a sport going places eh.
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Post by pozza on Apr 27, 2009 17:52:34 GMT 1
[There wouldn't be any promotion to the Premier Two, it'll be a closed shop. I remember reading that 1 team would go down from Premier 2 and 1 would come up from the Football League, but they'd have to meet stadium criteria etc etc to do so. |
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Post by monkey on Apr 27, 2009 18:05:17 GMT 1
Why don't we, the folk of Yorkshire, just declare ourselves independent of England. We have more than enough teams for two leagues of 8 at the very least. Premiership. Town Barnsley Doncaster Sheff W Sheff U Hull Bradford & Lincoln (not Yorkshire, but for Jacko  Championship Guiseley Halifax Farsley Bradford PA Ossett Town Ossett Albion Wakefield & York city League 1 Harrogate Town (for our reserves) Rotherham Scarborough Whitby Town Harrogate Railway Frickly Athletic Bridlington Town Leeds Sorted  |
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Post by marshterrier on Apr 27, 2009 18:07:28 GMT 1
Why don't we, the folk of Yorkshire, just declare ourselves independent of England. We have more than enough teams for two leagues of 8 at the very least. Premiership. Town Barnsley Doncaster Sheff W Sheff U Hull Bradford & Lincoln (not Yorkshire, but for Jacko Championship Guiseley Halifax Farsley Bradford PA Ossett Town Ossett Albion Wakefield & York city League 1 Harrogate Town (for our reserves) Rotherham Scarborough Whitby Town Harrogate Railway Frickly Athletic Bridlington Town Leeds Sorted That would get my vote. However Bradford wouldn't go for it as they need to be in the bottom division. |
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Post by stevvy on Apr 27, 2009 18:13:14 GMT 1
swap rotherham for bradford and i'd be happy enough with that
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Post by Captain Pugwash on Apr 27, 2009 21:10:23 GMT 1
If only Uncle Ken would stop on as chairman. Then we could merge with one of the Sheffield teams to achieve Prem 2 status before dropping them like a stone having achieved our aim. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2009 22:48:17 GMT 1
I'd sponsor Man U, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal to F**k off across the channel and play all their games in Europe and leave football to the proper clubs...
The sooner the goons at the top stop to open a history book and see what football is really about (ie competition...) then they might understand why most folk are pissed off that them clubs have shared just about every domestic trophy between them for the last dozen yrs at least and the last time anyone other than them won the league was 94-95 when Blackburn won it. I don't believe there has ever been a period of such dominance ever, even when Town started the 3 in a row club and Arsenal followed shortly afterwards...
The PL is corrupt in my eyes and the Tevez saga just highlighted what an old boys club it's become. Add the Wembley Stadium fiasco and you realise why they're just another bunch of corrupt bankers using this for their own gain...
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Post by nsevent on Apr 27, 2009 23:01:08 GMT 1
Middlesborough as an actual Yorkshire team in for Lincoln, and we won't begrudge Jacko the Bradford job.
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Post by specialun on Apr 27, 2009 23:12:48 GMT 1
Self interest comes to mind!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2009 11:32:08 GMT 1
Why don't they just stop f*cking about with the league?
Some people still haven't got their head round the fact that it is League 1 now and not "Division 3".
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