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Post by ksne on Apr 9, 2012 19:09:31 GMT 1
Mr Hoyle and his family read this board? why not? they are fans are they not? I have to say that at the risk of upsetting some fans DH made a huge mistake. Not by signing SG as the manager but at not sacking LC after the debacle at OT. Also by allowing him to spend a lot of money.I would not have given him one penny of my earned hard cash. Mr Hoyle compounded this indulgence even in the last tranfer window. Mr Hoyle like us will be hurting greatly but hopefully he will have learned plenty? Myself and hubby haven`t learned a thing because we have renewed for next season. If we did not qualify for senior tickets then we have to honest and say maybe just maybe we wouldn`t have renewed. SG is our mananger and I bet he cannot wait to start getting rid of those players who I feel have let us and our club down.Too many to mention. never said he was beyond reproach sandy.of course not.ultimately as chairman thats where the buck stops.would nt harm if one or two were more well mannered and constructive about their criticism though.that was my point Manners do not come easy to some
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2012 19:10:19 GMT 1
no berty.they ll spew out the one man team default excuse or abuse others calling them delusional.or attribute it to a lack of fitness. :nodding: time will tell.i actually still believe we might pox our way up.then again i actually backed us today. : : so maybe i do need to see a shrink :spaz:
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Post by Scissett Terrier! on Apr 10, 2012 10:54:13 GMT 1
exactly. Passion for the club my backside. You could pick anyone out of the crowd who has that. Clark was hard working but had more passion for blowing his own trumpet than anything else. He wasn't a very good manager, end of story. Graysons not exactly impressing anyone yet but at least he has achieved things before, so thats something we cxan pin our hopes on even though hes struggling with the mid-table squad Clark spent fortunes assembling. funny then that when clark was here we were hardly out of the top 6. Funnily we've never been out of the top 6 under Grayson!
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Post by keepmoving on Apr 10, 2012 11:05:05 GMT 1
the original gaff was not letting GM & GM continue the job they were doing, and going for a so-called 'big name' who spent millions and we are not much better off now than we were under turnip (bar the league position of course)
Thats in the past tho. Time to move on.
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Post by Mastercracker on Apr 10, 2012 11:07:54 GMT 1
the original gaff was not letting GM & GM continue the job they were doing, and going for a so-called 'big name' who spent millions and we are not much better off now than we were under turnip (bar the league position of course) Thats in the past tho. Time to move on. :iconlol:
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 10, 2012 13:07:01 GMT 1
the original gaff was not letting GM & GM continue the job they were doing, and going for a so-called 'big name' who spent millions and we are not much better off now than we were under turnip (bar the league position of course) Thats in the past tho. Time to move on. agree . IMO the 2 GMs would have reached the play-offs that season ( they were certainly heading that way with 5 wins out of 6 ) and rhodes appart that team under them would probably beat the current side. We improved after that season with Clark initially but then went steadily backwards for 2 years IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2012 13:16:31 GMT 1
Mr Hoyle and his family read this board? why not? they are fans are they not? I have to say that at the risk of upsetting some fans DH made a huge mistake. Not by signing SG as the manager but at not sacking LC after the debacle at OT. Also by allowing him to spend a lot of money.I would not have given him one penny of my earned hard cash. Mr Hoyle compounded this indulgence even in the last tranfer window. Mr Hoyle like us will be hurting greatly but hopefully he will have learned plenty? Myself and hubby haven`t learned a thing because we have renewed for next season. If we did not qualify for senior tickets then we have to honest and say maybe just maybe we wouldn`t have renewed. SG is our mananger and I bet he cannot wait to start getting rid of those players who I feel have let us and our club down.Too many to mention. never said he was beyond reproach sandy.of course not.ultimately as chairman thats where the buck stops.would nt harm if one or two were more well mannered and constructive about their criticism though.that was my point If I had a tenner and decided I wanted to spend it all on sweets then that's my choice. If Deano wants to spend his own money on players then that's his prerogative. The idiots whingeing about what Deano has spent his money on are making me cringe.
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Post by referee's_from_srilanka on Apr 10, 2012 13:35:22 GMT 1
We have not been on a convincing run like the two Sheffield clubs are now since October. After a slow start we look to be heading in the right direction then there was the Leicester 'interest' and coincidence or not, since then we've been on a slide.
Clark's last 12 games he lost 3 & got 17 pts, Grayson's first 12 he's lost 3 & got 18pts.
We need to pull together & get behind the team no matter how p1ssed off we are & not be having a pop at the chairman who surely feels as bad as any of us.
It's all about the next 6, hopefully 7 games.
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Post by Sapphire on Apr 10, 2012 13:38:03 GMT 1
never said he was beyond reproach sandy.of course not.ultimately as chairman thats where the buck stops.would nt harm if one or two were more well mannered and constructive about their criticism though.that was my point If I had a tenner and decided I wanted to spend it all on sweets then that's my choice. If Deano wants to spend his own money on players then that's his prerogative. The idiots whingeing about what Deano has spent his money on are making me cringe. Who cares, Hilly. I have been watching your avatar for the last hour
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Post by keepmoving on Apr 10, 2012 13:38:52 GMT 1
the original gaff was not letting GM & GM continue the job they were doing, and going for a so-called 'big name' who spent millions and we are not much better off now than we were under turnip (bar the league position of course) Thats in the past tho. Time to move on. : :
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Post by AndySk on Apr 10, 2012 13:42:31 GMT 1
Might not be going up under Grayson but we weren't gonna under Clark either so can't see what the difference is too much. At least SG should have the chance to start building his own squad in the summer
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Post by keepmoving on Apr 10, 2012 13:47:45 GMT 1
the original gaff was not letting GM & GM continue the job they were doing, and going for a so-called 'big name' who spent millions and we are not much better off now than we were under turnip (bar the league position of course) Thats in the past tho. Time to move on.
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Post by royalflush on Apr 10, 2012 13:48:09 GMT 1
You had to laugh. I knew the Clarkites would get like this as soon as Grayson lost a few....you all have very short memories if you think some of the dross served up, particularly at home in the last 18 months under Clark would have seen us in the top 2!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2012 13:50:09 GMT 1
If I had a tenner and decided I wanted to spend it all on sweets then that's my choice. If Deano wants to spend his own money on players then that's his prerogative. The idiots whingeing about what Deano has spent his money on are making me cringe. Who cares, Hilly. I have been watching your avatar for the last hour I know got a nice arse haven't I!
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Post by bluebeard on Apr 10, 2012 18:05:14 GMT 1
Yep, the Clarckites are out in force. Slating Dean Hoyle is nothing short of disgusting.
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Post by aca00js on Apr 10, 2012 19:30:04 GMT 1
Clark's last 12 games he lost 3 & got 17 pts, Grayson's first 12 he's lost 3 & got 18pts. One thing to consider is that in Clark's 12 game run we played 7 of the teams in the current top 8. In Grayson run we've played 3. Looking at runs isn't really a fair comparison as you have to consider the opposition faced in them. That is why the table never lies at the end of the season. But it doesn't help Graysons cause does it? Just looking at the last 10 games and you compare us and the Sheffield clubs: Town 15 points Wednesday 26 points United 20 points For me Deano as made lots of big decisions while in charge of the club and for me there has only been 2 I deemed as mistakes: 1) The Oldham programme notes. This resulted in losing Blackie (who I highly rated) and for me was the fan in him coming out over the chairman. 2) The timing of the Clark sacking. Things weren't great but he deserved to have the rest of the season to see if he could have got the job done. Instead we get Grayson and currently I can't see him getting us up this season on current evidence. This isn't all Graysons fault as he hasn't the players he wants to play the way he wants to. Grayson would also have had a total easier job to come into at the summer when he had the chance to assemble a squad he wants and could be judge fairly.
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Post by rocky on Apr 10, 2012 20:14:47 GMT 1
Sorry but dont care how much money u av put in.... LC lost 3 in 53ish.... SG (yid fan/player/manager) lost 3 in 12 ish....As wrong/right it may be I know so many who are not renewing on this fact alone! Lost all faith and confidence in team/manager everything....yes sum players simply not gud enuf....but going backwards in so many ways 3 1/2 year contract....u av been conned!!! You're completely wrong! The reason for this bad run is not because the manager has been changed, its because the team that LC assembled (Rhodes apart) is nowhere near as good as the league position suggests. A slump was always bound to happen, whoever the manager was! People need to wise up to the fact that this is a mid table team (at best), in a false position due to the phenominal exploits of 1 player. The lack of midfield quality is frankly embarrasing with all the money that's been spent in that dept. True Grayson hasn't helped himself with certain selections, like Novak out wide etc, but at least he tries to play a settled team - with Clark none of us had a clue which side he'd play from one game to the next. Christ, 5 changes wasn't uncommon! All this bollocks about Grayson's Leeds connection is just that - bollocks! Would it ever have been mentioned if he'd come in & had the same effect as Dave Jones at Sheff Wednesday? Of course it wouldn't! He was never EVER going to have that affect, because he simply hasn't got the players to work with & that's down to one man - LC! LC has failed in his target, which was to achieve automatic promotion. We were always going to finish in the play offs so we're no worse off with a new manager. I'm not saying Grayson will turn out to be the answer, but its ludicrous to judge him on a team that he's inherited. Not many of these players will be in his starting XI come August. The time to judge him is this time next year, when he's had nearly a full season with his own players. You're right about one thing though. We are going backwards, but that didn't happen when Grayson was appointed. Its been going on for 2 seasons now!
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Post by Captainslapper on Apr 10, 2012 20:22:45 GMT 1
Rocky- congratulations pal- every word of that is totally bang on. :appl: : : : :
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Post by Sapphire on Apr 10, 2012 20:24:51 GMT 1
We will all be asleep by then
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Post by rocky on Apr 10, 2012 20:36:05 GMT 1
We will all be asleep by then We've been asleep the last 2 years!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2012 20:38:08 GMT 1
Sorry but dont care how much money u av put in.... LC lost 3 in 53ish.... SG (yid fan/player/manager) lost 3 in 12 ish....As wrong/right it may be I know so many who are not renewing on this fact alone! Lost all faith and confidence in team/manager everything....yes sum players simply not gud enuf....but going backwards in so many ways 3 1/2 year contract....u av been conned!!! You're completely wrong! The reason for this bad run is not because the manager has been changed, its because the team that LC assembled (Rhodes apart) is nowhere near as good as the league position suggests. A slump was always bound to happen, whoever the manager was! People need to wise up to the fact that this is a mid table team (at best), in a false position due to the phenominal exploits of 1 player. The lack of midfield quality is frankly embarrasing with all the money that's been spent in that dept. True Grayson hasn't helped himself with certain selections, like Novak out wide etc, but at least he tries to play a settled team - with Clark none of us had a clue which side he'd play from one game to the next. Christ, 5 changes wasn't uncommon! All this bollocks about Grayson's Leeds connection is just that - bollocks! Would it ever have been mentioned if he'd come in & had the same effect as Dave Jones at Sheff Wednesday? Of course it wouldn't! He was never EVER going to have that affect, because he simply hasn't got the players to work with & that's down to one man - LC! LC has failed in his target, which was to achieve automatic promotion. We were always going to finish in the play offs so we're no worse off with a new manager. I'm not saying Grayson will turn out to be the answer, but its ludicrous to judge him on a team that he's inherited. Not many of these players will be in his starting XI come August. The time to judge him is this time next year, when he's had nearly a full season with his own players. You're right about one thing though. We are going backwards, but that didn't happen when Grayson was appointed. Its been going on for 2 seasons now!That Millwall game did more than knock us out of the play offs. It changed the whole ethos of the football side of the club. Exciting youngsters who might get bullied once and a while, to turgid has beens who serve up football that no one wants to watch.
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Post by referee's_from_srilanka on Apr 10, 2012 20:40:42 GMT 1
Clark's last 12 games he lost 3 & got 17 pts, Grayson's first 12 he's lost 3 & got 18pts. One thing to consider is that in Clark's 12 game run we played 7 of the teams in the current top 8. In Grayson run we've played 3. Looking at runs isn't really a fair comparison as you have to consider the opposition faced in them. That is why the table never lies at the end of the season. But it doesn't help Graysons cause does it? Just looking at the last 10 games and you compare us and the Sheffield What was it you were saying about comparing runs? I agree though to be fair. My point was more that either side of the dismissal, bar the odd game (eg Wycombe, Charlton) we have not been convincing, regardless of whether playing teams in the top, middle or bottom 8. I defended Clark after Southampton away last year, didn't think he should have gone after OT, cancelled my account on here after Rochdale away this year because I couldn't do with the moaning & negativity. So was firmly a 'happy clapper' but had lost faith by the time Dean acted.
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Post by rocky on Apr 10, 2012 20:44:29 GMT 1
Rocky- congratulations pal- every word of that is totally bang on. Cheers. Some people can't see beyond their hatred of Leeds & with Grayson, they're simply ignoring what is staring them in the face. Rhodes apart, I don't think we're any better than the likes of Colchester, Bournemouth & Hartlepool & I'd bet that their combined player budget doesn't even come close to ours. Another point I disagree with is this 'having a go at Hoyle'. He doesn't deserve that. I just wished he hadn't shown so much loyalty to Clark though.
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Post by justanothertownfan on Apr 10, 2012 20:55:14 GMT 1
Come on. Dean Hoyle will be well aware what his mistakes have been. Lee Clark had to go, these results would have happened with or without Clark. Lee Clarks biggest fault was if you had a couple of bad games you got dropped, and dropped big style. Frozen out or out on loan. Hoyle then allowed him to bring in a replacement either signed or loan. At the time of Clark's sacking, Hoyle will have realised that Autos were out of reach, and the best we could achieve was playoffs. He will also have had one eye on next season in Lg1 if it goes wrong in the playoffs. Grayson has to be given a chance, If we don't get up via the playoffs then Hoyle and Grayson will have to build a new squad. The proceeds from the sale of Rholdes/Smithies will build a good enough team. Hoyle will be hurting just as much as we are, but we have to give Grayson a fair chance. We have the best Chairman in the whole of the football league. Lets get behind him and the manager.
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Post by aca00js on Apr 10, 2012 21:00:35 GMT 1
One thing to consider is that in Clark's 12 game run we played 7 of the teams in the current top 8. In Grayson run we've played 3. Looking at runs isn't really a fair comparison as you have to consider the opposition faced in them. That is why the table never lies at the end of the season. But it doesn't help Graysons cause does it? Just looking at the last 10 games and you compare us and the Sheffield What was it you were saying about comparing runs? I agree though to be fair. My point was more that either side of the dismissal, bar the odd game (eg Wycombe, Charlton) we have not been convincing, regardless of whether playing teams in the top, middle or bottom 8. I defended Clark after Southampton away last year, didn't think he should have gone after OT, cancelled my account on here after Rochdale away this year because I couldn't do with the moaning & negativity. So was firmly a 'happy clapper' but had lost faith by the time Dean acted. I agree with you. We've been terrible all season. A few odd games but in general its been horrible to watch. If only we had added 2 to 3 senior players after the Millwall game it wouldn't have taken half the season to get going and would have probably gone up. Last season start cost us
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2012 21:39:31 GMT 1
loving your posts lately acca :appl:
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2012 19:06:20 GMT 1
Jesus but I wished you had sacked Clark as you should have done after OT.
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Post by BoltonTerrier on Jun 5, 2012 12:48:21 GMT 1
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